President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

aloyisious

InTheTrees wrote: »

A federal judge just blocked trumps executive order that sought to punish so called sanctuary cities.
The president does not have the authority to punish communities.

Bang goes any savings on the budget and a stronger dislike of pesky judges. Wonder will it be Don or Sessions sounding off first?

Billy86

aloyisious wrote: »

Bang goes any savings on the budget and a stronger dislike of pesky judges. Wonder will it be Don or Sessions sounding off first?

God damn Constitutional Legal Justice Warriors! :mad:

Kermit.de.frog

InTheTrees wrote: »

A federal judge just blocked trumps executive order that sought to punish so called sanctuary cities.
The president does not have the authority to punish communities.

Tired of...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daOH-pTd_nk

Harika

InTheTrees wrote: »

A federal judge just blocked trumps executive order that sought to punish so called sanctuary cities.
The president does not have the authority to punish communities.

In the FOX News comments, they were screaming for torches and pitchforks and that those judges that ignore the constitution get replaced by ones that uphold the constitution. :rolleyes:

Rightwing

Billy86 wrote: »

The no salary bit was quite a cunning ploy to be fair (and I actually mean that in a complimentary way, such is the nature of politics) as POTUS pays very little in the scheme of things - Bertie/Cowen/Enda all got paid more than the Bush/Obama, and even Tubridy did/does too! POTUS salary is $400,000/yr - less than most players in even the second tier of English football (it comes to £6k/wk sterling) - a lot of the real money is made after the presidency ends, even just through speaking functions at $250k for a talk.

Indeed, Obama the philanthropist is getting $60m for penning his memoirs.

Billy86 wrote: »

God damn Constitutional Legal Justice Warriors! :mad:

The law is an ass, full of loose cannons

Harika wrote: »

In the FOX News comments, they were screaming for torches and pitchforks and that those judges that ignore the constitution get replaced by ones that uphold the constitution. :rolleyes:

Divided country.

Tax was too big for Obama, it needs reform.

Akrasia

Rightwing wrote: »

The law is an ass, full of loose cannons

Really, Trump is a archetypal loose cannon. He cannot directly prevent cities from acting as 'sanctuary cities' for immigrants, so he tries to abuse other powers to punish them and force them to change.

Abuse of power and acting ultra vires are the kinds of things that the courts are there to prevent.

Trump thinks he is dealing from strength, but he's too stupid to realise that there is a system of checks and balances that are there to prevent politicians from blatantly abusing the system.

Harika

Rightwing wrote: »

Divided country.

Tax was too big for Obama, it needs reform.

A trend that you see everywhere atm, France, UK, US, Austria the population is highly divided. Cities are usually more liberal/left leaning, while the countryside is more conservative/right leaning. I think that's the big difference to Reagan's time, when there was an overlap of Republican and Democratic senators, and some Dems were more Republican than other Reps, that were more Dem. So you could work bipartisan, while nowadays you don't see that anymore. Us versus them is the dominant battle cry.

dr.fuzzenstein

Igotadose wrote: »

Just another grifter in on the con. Saw a great line in the comments on that article - "The Trumps going to Washington is like the Corleones going to Tahoe."

Trying to gain respectability for a group of the lowest form of slime suckers, a real estate baron - real estate! - with a bevy of ex-wives, narcissistic personality disorder, and low intelligence.

But, the saddest thing I read about Trump in the last few days is here: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/24/opinions/polls-positive-trump-opinion-zelizer/index.html?iid=ob_article_organicsidebar_expansion

"He is still doing extraordinarily well with his supporters: 96% of those who voted for him say they would do it again."

Kind of says it all.

He fits in perfectly with his supporters. Right now there is a climate of ignorance, fear, extreme views, xenophobia and obnoxiousness is being worn like a badge of honor.
To these people it doesn't matter if his course leads to ruin, they'll simply blame it on Obama. Trumps presidency to them is a massive circle jerk of ignorance and bigotry and that is far more important to the average Trump supporter than any so-called "facts" or "reality".
Nowadays it's not about cooperation and trying to work things out, generation internet just wants to he right and "win" the argument at any cost and get one over on the other guy at all cost.

Harika

Seems like US is paying Mexico for not building the wall: http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/25/news/economy/mexico-us-wto-tuna/index.html

Mexican officials insisted for years that U.S. laws discriminated against their tuna, and that other countries didn't face the same level of enforcement. They argued that they have upheld international standards on commercial fishing and environmental preservation.

Mexico's economic ministry said it would immediately take actions to reclaim the $163 million the WTO said it had lost from the U.S. restrictions. It didn't say whether its retaliatory actions would be tariffs on U.S. tuna or another product.

Christy42

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

He fits in perfectly with his supporters. Right now there is a climate of ignorance, fear, extreme views, xenophobia and obnoxiousness is being worn like a badge of honor.
To these people it doesn't matter if his course leads to ruin, they'll simply blame it on Obama. Trumps presidency to them is a massive circle jerk of ignorance and bigotry and that is far more important to the average Trump supporter than any so-called "facts" or "reality".
Nowadays it's not about cooperation and trying to work things out, generation internet just wants to he right and "win" the argument at any cost and get one over on the other guy at all cost.

Exactly. How many comments have been seen on here that are happy just cos there are liberal tears? They don't the house they are in is burning down because they get to laugh at other people in the house worried about the house burning down.

They even complain when Trump is stopped from acting like a fascist in spite of months of claiming he would not act this way. He has repeatedly attempted to rule by decree and they complain about the people who stop him? Madness

Rightwing

Christy42 wrote: »

Exactly. How many comments have been seen on here that are happy just cos there are liberal tears? They don't the house they are in is burning down because they get to laugh at other people in the house worried about the house burning down.

They even complain when Trump is stopped from acting like a fascist in spite of months of claiming he would not act this way. He has repeatedly attempted to rule by decree and they complain about the people who stop him? Madness

What I find funny with the liberals is that they are not so liberal after all. Suiting their own agenda. Their way or no way.

Harika

Rightwing wrote: »

What I find funny with the liberals is that they are not so liberal after all. Suiting their own agenda. Their way or no way.

You mean the liberals that signed an agreement to not ever raise taxes ever. Or those that obstructed Obama for eight years in every possible way?

oscarBravo

Rightwing wrote: »

What I find funny with the liberals is that they are not so liberal after all. Suiting their own agenda. Their way or no way.

Ah yes, the old "if you're intolerant of fascism you're not a real liberal" argument. Never gets old.

Igotadose

Harika wrote: »

Seems like US is paying Mexico for not building the wall: http://money.cnn.com/2017/04/25/news/economy/mexico-us-wto-tuna/index.html

So much winning. /sarcasm

Rightwing

Harika wrote: »

You mean the liberals that signed an agreement to not ever raise taxes ever. Or those that obstructed Obama for eight years in every possible way?

Conservatives won the election, the liberals need to take that on board. They can undo all Trumps work if and when they get back to power. That's how democracy works. Anything else is intolerance of the highest order.

Igotadose

Cool
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/26/trump-tweets-sanctuary-cities-237620

The judge that blocked the latest media-grab by the POTUS, isn't on the ninth circuit. Didn't stop Trump from blaming the ninth circuit and tweeting about what a bad circuit court it is.

Peregrinus

Conservatives didn't win the election; the conservative candidates were defeated in the primaries.

While Trump won the presidential election, he doesn't have strong support in the legislature, and without that he's not in a position to implement his program. He presented himself as a dealmaker, but he lacks the skills needed to make political deals, which are quite different to the business deals he has previously made. The result is the collapse of his efforts to repeal Obamacare, the failure to get funding for his ludicrous wall,

That's not liberals undoing or obstructing Trump's work; that's both conservatives and liberals in congress doing their job.

Trump has been elected as chief executive, not as lawmaker. He doesn't understand this.

Water John

Any two bit lawyer would have advised Trump that he could not force cities to do his bidding.
Did he do it and then let it get blocked. Just to show his supporters he is trying to drain the swamp but is being stopped from doing it.

InTheTrees

Rightwing wrote: »

Conservatives won the election, the liberals need to take that on board.

Conservatives won the election but lost the popular vote.

The people clearly wanted a Democratic president, you cant ignore that.

demfad

Rightwing wrote: »

Conservatives won the election, the liberals need to take that on board. They can undo all Trumps work if and when they get back to power. That's how democracy works. Anything else is intolerance of the highest order.

Democracy does not work by presidential candidates cheating by treasonously using the assistance of a hostile power to win the election. US Liberals are taking this on board. About time some 'patriot' US conservatives did also.

Leroy42

Water John wrote: »

Any two bit lawyer would have advised Trump that he could not force cities to do his bidding.
Did he do it and then let it get blocked. Just to show his supporters he is trying to drain the swamp but is being stopped from doing it.

Yeah, pretty much.

Its a win win either way.

First off, the Trump brand is now lodged forever. You simply cannot buy the sort of PR access that Ivanka is getting. Mar-a-Lago, Trump hotels. The brand name was known before hand but now it is worldwide.

And yes, you'll get people you will actively avoid it, but that will be countered by those that want a piece of brand Trump.
Second, he now has access to those at the very top of industries, and he has the ability to help them out. That is going to play very well when he retires.
Finally, he can either be successful and get all the credit, helping 1 and 2 above, or as we saw with Obamacare repeal, if he fails he simply blames all the losers that got in his way. Not my fault, blame Obama, Dems, Ryan, Flynn, GOP, NK, China etc etc etc

Christy42

Rightwing wrote: »

Conservatives won the election, the liberals need to take that on board. They can undo all Trumps work if and when they get back to power. That's how democracy works. Anything else is intolerance of the highest order.

This is not how democracy works. Like none of it. Not even close. Not within a million miles.

We have an opposition for a reason. Right now liberals are part of the opposition and are meant to encourage people to fight (legally) against changes they don't like. The Republicans have more power because they "won" but that does not mean everyone who ever disagreed with them goes away. There are also checks and balances in the system to ensure things like the constitution don't get chucked out without a whole load of effort and agreement. These are all parts of democracy that were there before the election during Obama's terms. Less complaint from the right wing about a functioning opposition being allowed then.

The right (well mostly just Trump if I am fair) need to accept that winning an election does not mean you get to make whatever rules you want in a functioning democracy.

Democracy is not "oh you won, I will assume all your new rules are right till the next election". Nor has it worked like that.

The same bull is spread around Brexit when people are shocked that there might be political parties expressing the same views that 48% of the population did in the referendum.

InTheTrees

Rightwing wrote: »

Conservatives won the election, the liberals need to take that on board. They can undo all Trumps work if and when they get back to power. That's how democracy works. Anything else is intolerance of the highest order.

Thats completely illogical.

Thats like saying if one team is winning the other team should just give up.

Sometimes if your team is losing it can be motivation to try harder cant it? You wouldnt tell them to just quit.

The 2018 Mid Term Congressional election campaigns have started. The 2020 campaign has already started too.

demfad

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, pretty much.

Its a win win either way.

First off, the Trump brand is now lodged forever. You simply cannot buy the sort of PR access that Ivanka is getting. Mar-a-Lago, Trump hotels. The brand name was known before hand but now it is worldwide.

Strange that her cloths label has started being sold under a new label in order to get sales:

Now, amid a backlash from consumers since her father won the election and the decision by several leading retailers to drop her foreign-made clothes, it has emerged Ms Trump’s clothing is being secretly sold under a different name in US discount stores. This has happened as Ms Trump has emerged as an increasingly important advisor to her father, with her own office inside the White House.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ivanka-trump-clothing-secret-sold-another-brand-us-adrienne-vittadini-stein-mart-customers-a7701251.html

Rightwing

InTheTrees wrote: »

Thats completely illogical.

Thats like saying if one team is winning the other team should just give up.

Sometimes if your team is losing it can be motivation to try harder cant it? You wouldnt tell them to just quit.

The 2018 Mid Term Congressional election campaigns have started. The 2020 campaign has already started too.

Some of these protests are violent, some untruths too (Russia etc). No one knows who and what to believe anymore. Country is losing respect.

InTheTrees

Leroy42 wrote: »

Second, he now has access to those at the very top of industries, and he has the ability to help them out. That is going to play very well when he retires.

Something that's fast emerging is that trump is unable to do any kind of deal on anything. The Chinese walked all over him. He hasn't managed to make any legislative deals with congress even though they're supposedly from his own party.

Leroy42

demfad wrote: »

Strange that her cloths label has started being sold under a new label in order to get sales:

Temporary at worst. Sure, the brand may take some flak during his term, but in terms of PR, the Trumps are now a top line family. They will be followed and discussed and asked for input for years to come.

Clothes line is the least of the ambitions.

Who really knew of Ivanka, Jared etc before all this? Trump was known but apart from TV there was nothing to build on (excuse the pun).

Leroy42

InTheTrees wrote: »

Something that's fast emerging is that trump is unable to do any kind of deal on anything. The Chinese walked all over him. He hasn't managed to make any legislative deals with congress even though they're supposedly from his own party.

He doesn't need to make deals. He simply gets these big companies want they want (the coal industry for example) and make sure that they scratch his back later on. Giving him a construction contract here, a sut price on some real estate there. Taking residency in some new office blocks to ensure they are viable.

Rightwing

Leroy42 wrote: »

Temporary at worst. Sure, the brand may take some flak during his term, but in terms of PR, the Trumps are now a top line family. They will be followed and discussed and asked for input for years to come.

Clothes line is the least of the ambitions.

Who really knew of Ivanka, Jared etc before all this? Trump was known but apart from TV there was nothing to build on (excuse the pun).

Ivanka would make for a fine president. Instead of a Clinton political dynasty, we could have a Trump one.

Valord

Leroy42 wrote: »

Temporary at worst. Sure, the brand may take some flak during his term, but in terms of PR, the Trumps are now a top line family. They will be followed and discussed and asked for input for years to come.

Clothes line is the least of the ambitions.

Who really knew of Ivanka, Jared etc before all this? Trump was known but apart from TV there was nothing to build on (excuse the pun).

I don't think presidents tend to shrug off negative baggage that easily whe they leave office. Having the name "Clinton" still hurt Hillary in the last election, and the name "Bush" hurt Jeb!. People still have very negative connotations with the name "Richard Nixon". Just getting a name out there isn't good if the connotation is mostly negative. A lot more people have heard of Jon Podesta and Debbie Wasserman Schultz than they did 2 years ago, but that's not really a great thing for either of them.

While losing out on the clothing business specifically obviously isn't that big a problem for them, it's more just representative of the brand as a whole. Hotels and casinos have the same wide audience as clothing, I can't see how they won't be affected the same way.