President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Akrasia

wonderfullife wrote: »

Trump reminds me of one of those bluffers at the bar who will tell you all sorts of fanciful stories of their female conquests, epic sessions on the lash, amazing holidays and, of course, the obligatory "I had a trial with Manchester United when I was 15".

A lot of those spoofers are actually quite likeable in small doses because they're not bad intentioned, just Walter Mitty level delusional.





In the article above this one ^ - One of the people who voted for Trump listed 3 biggest accomplishments of Trump's Presidency so far:

1. Gorsuch to SCOTUS
2. Firing Missiles at Syria - which we all know bigly put that airfield out of action for about an hour.

and (this is golden)

3. Meeting with foreign leader, Xi Jinping.

The 3rd best achievement is apparently having chocolate cake with the leader of China.


That's what we're dealing with here. If he can tie his own shoelaces and not nuke the world, it's a success for his base.

CV padding Sarah Palin style
Q - What's your foreign policy experience?
"I can see russia from my house"

Harika

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Additionally Canada is very dependent on the US buying its oil, the US buys a lot of oil from Canada yes, but its just 30-40% of its total imports*, OPEC and Russia could all scale up output extremely fast, hell the USA could just start buying from Iran.[/url]

That would be so Trump like "I just started a trade war with Canada and instead of buying oil from them, we buy from Iran, where I previously said America got a bad deal for the nuclear thingy, but I called them and now America has a great deal with them, so we buy oil from the Mullahs" :pac:

demfad

Facebook Admits It’s Being Used by Political Actors to Manipulate Opinion

Kind of a big deal.

On Thursday, Facebook released a report that effectively admits the social network has been used by both governments and non-state agents as part of a series of orchestrated attempts to manipulate public opinion about political issues, including the U.S. election. Some of this has taken the form of artificially created "fake news" stories, as well as organized efforts to promote these stories and get them circulating as widely as possible.
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In particular, the Facebook security team says it found evidence of a coordinated effort using fake Facebook accounts to spread a variety of information related to the U.S. election, including reports based on emails that were stolen from Democratic Party headquarters.
After the fake accounts promoted these stories, "organic proliferation of the messaging and data through authentic peer groups and networks was inevitable," Facebook said.
U.S intelligence sources have tied this kind of activity to Russian agents acting on behalf of the government and other state entities in an attempt to influence the election, and Facebook's report said that the security team's information "does not contradict" this conclusion....

They are not denying the state agent was Russia during the election. The non state agents include Cambridge Analytica who claim to have 3000-5000 points of data on all 230 million US adults and acknowledge that they target and microtarget via Facebook. (voting histories or full-spectrum demographics — age, income, debt, hobbies, criminal histories, purchase histories, religious leanings, health concerns, gun ownership, car ownership, homeownership).

From this NYTimes article this is how this information could be used in future and was used in the US election

One recent advertising product on Facebook is the so-called “dark post”: A newsfeed message seen by no one aside from the users being targeted. With the help of Cambridge Analytica, Mr. Trump’s digital team used dark posts to serve different ads to different potential voters, aiming to push the exact right buttons for the exact right people at the exact right times.

Imagine the full capability of this kind of “psychographic” advertising. In future Republican campaigns, a pro-gun voter whose Ocean score ranks him high on neuroticism could see storm clouds and a threat: The Democrat wants to take his guns away. A separate pro-gun voter deemed agreeable and introverted might see an ad emphasizing tradition and community values, a father and son hunting together.

In this election, dark posts were used to try to suppress the African-American vote. According to Bloomberg, the Trump campaign sent ads reminding certain selected black voters of Hillary Clinton’s infamous “super predator” line. It targeted Miami’s Little Haiti neighborhood with messages about the Clinton Foundation’s troubles in Haiti after the 2010 earthquake. Federal Election Commission rules are unclear when it comes to Facebook posts, but even if they do apply and the facts are skewed and the dog whistles loud, the already weakening power of social opprobrium is gone when no one else sees the ad you see — and no one else sees “I’m Donald Trump, and I approved this message.”

Facebook has not covered itself in glory in other ways. In 2014 it made a deal with Yandex, the biggest search engine in Russia.

The deal will give Yandex full access to public data from users in Russia, Turkey and CIS countries including Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan.
The data includes users' posts and comments on them.

When you consider that non other than Vladislav Surkov is in charge of Russian psy ops in Ukraine, you can imagine many curses being thrown Zuckerburgs way from Kiev. This may only be the start of Facebooks reformation.

He was seen as the architect of “post-truth politics” where facts are relative, a version of which some have suggested has now taken hold in the west.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/26/kremlin-puppet-masters-leaked-emails-vladislav-surkov-east-ukraine

Christy42

While there are bigger stories. Whst happened to those 5 million illegal votes.

Trump claimed they exist. There has been no investigation. Is the President of the United States happy to have 5 million people vote in presidential elections?

I mean does that delegitimise his victory? Should the president state that democracy is entirely disfunction Al in the US and then not do anything about it or even check out whst is going on?

Or you know. Would everyone just assume that the president of the United States is lying until proven conclusively that he is not. Seems like you will be right a whole lot more with this approach.

wonderfullife

Akrasia wrote: »

CV padding Sarah Palin style
Q - What's your foreign policy experience?
"I can see russia from my house"

Trump, today, in a Reuters interview:

"I am both a nationalist and a gloabalist".

That's not a joke that's an actual quote.

He added "Being President is much more work than I thought it would be".

Christy42 wrote: »

While there are bigger stories. Whst happened to those 5 million illegal votes.

Or you know. Would everyone just assume that the president of the United States is lying until proven conclusively that he is not. Seems like you will be right a whole lot more with this approach.

The default position globally now is that Trump is talking through his ass unless proven otherwise.

There are, in my opinion, 2 dozen serious scandals in the Trump Administration already that would have seen a campaign to Impeach any Democratic President.

Bill Clinton got Impeached for lying over a BJ.

Trump lied about a previous President personally committing a felony offence and people shrugged shoulders......

Trump being Trump.

Itssoeasy

Trump is talking to the NRA and it's painful ****e.

Water John

If what's in this Steele Report, that Trump people met hackers of the DNC to see how to pay them, in Prague in Sept 2016, then Donald Trump has a great 100 day anniversary.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin

Could not see him survive this.It's just a variation and is in fact Watergate 2.

...And Justice

Water John wrote: »

If what's in this Steele Report, that Trump people met hackers of the DNC to see how to pay them, in Prague in Sept 2016, then Donald Trump has a great 100 day anniversary.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/28/trump-russia-intelligence-uk-government-m16-kremlin

You know this was discredited on the Irish news at 7am this morning?

Could not see him survive this.It's just a variation and is in fact Watergate 2.

The guardian is a lefty newspaper, what did you expect? go look at Fox, it's a totally different narrative. Fox makes you riled up for war with NK, CNN does the opposite. Its amusing to watch the two sides cutting lumps out of each other, I've never seen such madness in my 40 years on this planet.

The news in America is for, or against the arms industry, it's hilarious because the democrats were hawks for the arms industry too.

Two cheeks, same arse. I wonder does it have anything to do with the elections in SK and re-unification and removal of Kim-Jong -Un.

America doesn't have a reason to go to war with NK, there's an agenda fermenting for the removal of the NK leader to benefit SK and the wider region.

Water John

The Guardian is just publishing what is in the Steele Report.

The idea or reality that a USA Presidential candidate was paying foreign hackers tied to a hostile state is not just some thing for slagging.

It is the area of treason.

...And Justice

Water John wrote: »

The Gaurdian is just publishing what is in the Steele Report.

The idea or reality that a USA Presidential candidate was paying foreign hackers tied to a hostile state is not just some thing for slagging.

It is the area of treason.

Yeah but it was widely dismissed as bull when I was driving into work this morning, it's now accepted that it's fire on all fronts from NBC, CNN etc, FOX are the only Trump supporters. It's insane totally different news from US networks. I was in New York last week and I got both right wing and left wing Newspapers, it's madness what's going on over there.

There is a huge fight going on. Trump is being pushed to starting a war with NK in my opinion.

InTheTrees

...And Justice wrote: »

Yeah but it was widely dismissed as bull when I was driving into work this morning

Who's dismissing it as bull?

Even though multiple other agencies are investigating him the department of defense has only just started investigating general flynn a few days ago.

So how can any media outlet be saying its bull? There's numerous investigations going on.

Water John

Media can spin what they want. The Steele dossier wasn't written for the media.
Steele has been right on a lot.

demfad

Water John wrote: »

Media can spin what they want. The Steele dossier wasn't written for the media.
Steele has been right on a lot.

There is more to come in next few days apparently... MSM has got wind of what several foreign Intel agencies have. A recording of a recording .. will say no
More for now... except definitive proof of what was in the December Steele memo.

Igotadose

Today's laugh. Apparently Trump, in yet another incoherent interview,kind of told the truth for once. He said, “I loved my previous life. I had so many things going,” Trump told Reuters in an interview. “This is more work than in my previous life. I thought it would be easier.”

As you can imagine, this has engendered some commentary especially in the Twitterverse. Here's my favorite from David Frum:
"All this information was cunningly concealed by being put in books and other forms of writing"

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-presidency-easier-twitter_us_5903d72de4b05c39767fabad?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

...And Justice

demfad wrote: »

There is more to come in next few days apparently... MSM has got wind of what several foreign Intel agencies have. A recording of a recording .. will say no
More for now... except definitive proof of what was in the December Steele memo.

It won't change a thing. The desperation to have trump removed by democrats is unbelievable.

demfad

...And Justice wrote: »

It won't change a thing. The desperation to have trump removed by democrats is unbelievable.

Just a reminder again that the Trump campaign is under official FBI counter espionage investigation by the FBI. The Republican led congress is running 2 seperate investigations into Trump Russia. Flynn is under several investigations (lost count)
Can you fill us in why you think this is a democrat plot against Trump?

Water John

If I had an exclusive hotline to a porn telephone exclusive number, that I used regularly and nobody else had access to, would you take it that I really had a case to answer.
So it is with the server in Trump Tower.


The Prague meeting cannot be explained away.
O'Flynn and Manafort are not some hangers on to his campaign. Those two were central along with Sessions.

I am not pro democrat. I would have no problem with McCain being President, for example. Would possibly choose him ahead of some Democrats, incl Hillary.

Actual details that are true, carry different weight than, an opinion, no matter which side one is on.
They don't have equal standing.

Hank Scorpio

The Prague meeting, really? There are things called passports.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jaketapper/status/819187673961287681?lang=en

Buzzfeed and Steele are being sued on different fronts for false information, one of them is a Russian tech firm Steele claimed operated a porn ring designed to infiltrate DNC servers.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/03/media/trump-dossier-buzzfeed-lawsuit/

There might be true info in the dossier, but there appears to be alot of garbage also.

InTheTrees

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

There might be true info in the dossier, but there appears to be alot of garbage also.

Just because information wasn't verified doesn't mean it was "garbage" does it?

The dossier was never meant to be made public and there's no reason why it shouldn't contain unverified info because its purpose is to also encourage further investigation. Its not supposed to be evidence.

It will be still be used in the current investigations despite the media trying to discredit it.

Hank Scorpio

InTheTrees wrote: »

Just because information wasn't verified doesn't mean it was "garbage" does it?

The dossier was never meant to be made public and there's no reason why it shouldn't contain unverified info because its purpose is to also encourage further investigation. Its not supposed to be evidence.

It will be still be used in the current investigations despite the media trying to discredit it.

I didn't say it was all garbage but the claim about Cohen and a Prague meeting is from the previous poster.

B0jangles

Hey Hank, remember when you said you'd dump Trump if he started attacking the rights LGBT rights? How do you feel about the appointment of Charmaine Yoest to a senior role at the Department of Health and Human Services? That department is responsible, among other things for policy to do with the medical treatment and care of transgender people?

Yoest also kept her own blog, “Reasoned Audacity,” in which she made a number of anti-LGBTQ statements, with the bulk of her rage focused on the transgender community. In her many writings, Yoest has called transgender people “crazy,” “creatures,” frequently referred to chopping off one’s genitalia, and implied that medical care for transgender people (or as she refers to it, “the surgical removal of body parts”) is “a joke.”

Yoest has also promulgated the age-old trope of LGBTQ individuals as sexual predators, writing: “Parents should ask if McDonald’s will embrace open unisex restrooms where transgenders and transvestites and cross-dressers can have proximity to the wee ones.” In that same post, Yoest said she and her family would be boycotting McDonald’s because of the company’s support of LGBTQ equality.

The National Center for Transgender Equality was aghast at Yoest’s appointment to HHS, which administers policies relating to transgender or transition-related medical care — which Yoest has specifically said she does not believe in.

“It’s almost as if President Trump is trying to find people who say the most mean, spiteful, hateful things about transgender people to fill roles in his administration,” Mara Kesiling, NCTE’s executive director, said in a statement.

https://www.metroweekly.com/2017/04/trump-appoints-hhs-assistant-spokeswoman-history-anti-trans-rhetoric/

btw she's since deleted the entry from her blog in which she says many revolting things about trans people, but you can't get rid of anything on the internet!

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170428205200/http://charmaineyoest.com/2006/11/charmaine_debates_transgender

sample:

Transgender genders will sometimes, but not necessarily, amputate a perfectly normal (ahem, edited by the prudish spouse).
I believe it is in bad form to actually ask a Transgender if this elective surgery is part of his/her/its medical history.
You are right: Your Business Blogger should not be poking fun at anyone who would take a meat cleaver to his manhood. You see, these creatures are crazy, I believe.
There is a related grouping of homosexual-like lets not call them nut jobs unfortunates, who suffer from Body Integrity Identify Disorder
(BIID).
So this is what liberals have made our world into: A happily married normal mother of five children is forced into debating a trany of some stripe on values.

He's put a person who thinks trans people are freaks in a position of direct power over how they are treated - this is no accident.

Within the HHS Trump has appointed Roger Severino of the Heritage Foundation to head up the Office for Civil Rights. Severino has made a career of opposing trans rights, same-sex marriage and planned parenthood

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/27/heritage-foundation-alum-critical-of-transgender-rights-to-lead-hhs-civil-rights-office_partner/
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2017/03/23/anti-trans-activist-appointed-to-protect-trans-health-at-hhs/

Hank Scorpio

B0jangles wrote: »

Hey Hank, remember when you said you'd dump Trump if he started attacking the rights LGBT rights? How do you feel about the appointment of Charmaine Yoest to a senior role at the Department of Health and Human Services? That department is responsible, among other things for policy to do with the medical treatment and care of transgender people?



https://www.metroweekly.com/2017/04/trump-appoints-hhs-assistant-spokeswoman-history-anti-trans-rhetoric/

btw she's since deleted the entry from her blog in which she says many revolting things about trans people, but you can't get rid of anything on the internet!

https://web-beta.archive.org/web/20170428205200/http://charmaineyoest.com/2006/11/charmaine_debates_transgender

sample:

Transgender genders will sometimes, but not necessarily, amputate a perfectly normal (ahem, edited by the prudish spouse).
I believe it is in bad form to actually ask a Transgender if this elective surgery is part of his/her/its medical history.
You are right: Your Business Blogger should not be poking fun at anyone who would take a meat cleaver to his manhood. You see, these creatures are crazy, I believe.
There is a related grouping of homosexual-like lets not call them nut jobs unfortunates, who suffer from Body Integrity Identify Disorder
(BIID).
So this is what liberals have made our world into: A happily married normal mother of five children is forced into debating a trany of some stripe on values.

He's put a person who thinks trans people are freaks in a position of direct power over how they are treated - this is no accident.

Within the HHS Trump has appointed Roger Severino of the Heritage Foundation to head up the Office for Civil Rights. Severino has made a career of opposing trans rights, same-sex marriage and planned parenthood

http://www.salon.com/2017/03/27/heritage-foundation-alum-critical-of-transgender-rights-to-lead-hhs-civil-rights-office_partner/
http://www.washingtonblade.com/2017/03/23/anti-trans-activist-appointed-to-protect-trans-health-at-hhs/

I don't think anyone should be making fun of people with mental illness, in the same sense of websites like Salon defending paedophilia.

Peregrinus

Back in January you said "If Trump or any of his administration actively promote or seek to remove LGBT rights while in power I will drop any support I have for them."

But now you say:

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I don't think anyone should be making fun of people with mental illness, in the same sense of websites like Salon defending paedophilia.

You do know what the 'T' in LBGT stands for, don't you? Yoest is quite explicit about the fact that she is talking about transgender people who have had sex reassigment surgery. Are you saying that you agree with her that those transgender people are mentally ill?

Hank Scorpio

Peregrinus wrote: »

Back in January you said "If Trump or any of his administration actively promote or seek to remove LGBT rights while in power I will drop any support I have for them."

But now you say:


You do know what the 'T' in LBGT stands for, don't you? Yoest is quite explicit about the fact that she is talking about transgender people who have had sex reassigment surgery. Are you saying that you agree with her that those transgender people are mentally ill?

I've dropped most of my support for Trump already when he backed down to the Intel agencies or "deep state" for want of a better phrase, if they go after Assange then I'll turn against him. My views on transgender people would align somewhere with the likes of Ben Shapiro's. I shouldn't have said LGBT, knock the T off and I would be happy.

Really Interested

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

I've dropped most of my support for Trump already when he backed down to the Intel agencies or "deep state" for want of a better phrase, if they go after Assange then I'll turn against him. My views on transgender people would align somewhere with the likes of Ben Shapiro's. I shouldn't have said LGBT, knock the T off and I would be happy.

Lol you are s treasure. So when you said transgender you did not mean transgender. When you say Assange you will of course say in the future you did not mean Assange when we are up to our tits in war of course you will say you did not mean a real war you only talked of diplomatic war as real dead people are ok.

Hank Scorpio

Really Interested wrote: »

Lol you are s treasure. So when you said transgender you did not mean transgender. When you say Assange you will of course say in the future you did not mean Assange when we are up to our tits in war of course you will say you did not mean a real war you only talked of diplomatic war as real dead people are ok.

When we?

We live in Ireland buddy.

Short memory of what went on in the middle east over the past 8 years which led to what's happening in Europe today.

Really Interested

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

When we?

We live in Ireland buddy.

Short memory of what went on in the middle east over the past 8 years which led to what's happening in Europe today.

Don't worry war does and will effect everyone in the globe it all ready effects Ireland. But you will just deny you said this in the future.

BTW I'm not you buddy and if we bring in Ireland matters to you why you talking about Trump.

Hank Scorpio

Really Interested wrote: »

Don't worry war does and will effect everyone in the globe it all ready effects Ireland. But you will just deny you said this in the future.

The only war Europe is involved in is against Islamic terrorism. Everyone already knew long before Trump got into office NK is a timebomb. They dumped missiles into the sea of Japan, what is Trump supposed to do, twiddle his thumbs?

Really Interested

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The only war Europe is involved in is against Islamic terrorism. Everyone already knew long before Trump got into office NK is a timebomb. They dumped missiles into the sea of Japan, what is Trump supposed to do, twiddle his thumbs like Obama did with the Islam problem?

Yes a timebomb trump is setting light too. But was he supposed to not involve the US in any more wars just like all his promises easy to make not so easy to follow through.

Hank Scorpio

Really Interested wrote: »

Yes a timebomb trump is setting light too.

Yeah, because it was Trump who started launching missiles endangering the US's allies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/north-korea-missile-test-reaction-japan-tokyo-metro-system-ballistic-nuclear-failed-a7708931.html