President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

Wanderer78

Akrasia wrote: »

Trump must like them, They weren't on his list of countries... I wonder why?

'special relationship' :rolleyes:

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

Trump must like them, They weren't on his list of countries... I wonder why?

The topic is about immigration and Trump made it very clear at the inauguration he would work with countries that share American values. The values of peace and basic rights that have been around since WW2. Saudi Arabia we are yet to see how Trump will deal with. Knowing what we know now about that states involvement in sponsoring terrorism across the Muslim world.

Billy86

Akrasia wrote: »

Trump must like them, They weren't on his list of countries... I wonder why?

I see Brian is in the habit of simply making stuff up again when called on his nonsense (and completely missing that Trump is A-ok with the scumbags running Saudi Arabia, probably because of his indebtedness to the House of Saud).

Like I said... I'll leave you to guess why Brian posts the stuff he does.

Wanderer78

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The topic is about immigration and Trump made it very clear at the inauguration he would work with countries that share American values. The values of peace and basic rights that have been around since WW2. Saudi Arabia we are yet to see how Trump will deal with. Knowing what we know now about that states involvement in sponsoring terrorism across the Muslim world.

i think i may have found where you could be going wrong

Akrasia

KingBrian2 wrote: »

The topic is about immigration and Trump made it very clear at the inauguration he would work with countries that share American values. The values of peace and basic rights that have been around since WW2. Saudi Arabia we are yet to see how Trump will deal with. Knowing what we know now about that states involvement in sponsoring terrorism across the Muslim world.

We know he didn't include them in the list of terrorist exporting states despite the fact that they're on the top of that list. Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Wahhabism, the source of the Islamic Islamacist ideology.

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

We know he didn't include them in the list of terrorist exporting states despite the fact that they're on the top of that list. Saudi Arabia is the birth place of Wahhabism, the source of the Islamic Islamacist ideology.

It is good that you recognize that unlike some on here who seem to be of the view that Saudi Arabia is a lovely place.

Akrasia

KingBrian2 wrote: »

It is good that you recognize that unlike some on here who seem to be of the view that Saudi Arabia is a lovely place.

Some on here. Is Donald Trump posting on boards.ie?

It's good that I recognise that. It's a pity that Donald Trump doesn't.

PopePalpatine

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Says the guy who is of the illusion Saudi Arabia is a lovely place to be a human being.

Go ahead then, prove it. Prove that Billy86 admires Saudi Arabia.

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

Some on here. Is Donald Trump posting on boards.ie?
It's good that I recognise that. It's a pity that Donald Trump doesn't.

Whatever might be said about Trump. It is a fact that Saudi Arabia sponsors Islamic terrorism so going back to my original point it was groups like ISIS, Hamas & the Muslim Brotherhood which are causing Americans to take fright and the incidents of terror attacks on the continent which is causing tension within the West. These Islamists are getting all the attention and we know Saudi Arabia is the source of all of these fanatics.

weisses

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Whatever might be said about Trump. It is a fact that Saudi Arabia sponsors Islamic terrorism so going back to my original point it was groups like ISIS, Hamas & the Muslim Brotherhood which are causing Americans to take fright and the incidents of terror attacks on the continent which is causing tension within the West. These Islamists are getting all the attention and we know Saudi Arabia is the source of all of these fanatics.

9/11 done by saudi terrorists ... Saudi Arabia is not on the list

San Bernadino terror attack done by Pakistani terrorists .... Pakistan is not on the list


But go ahead and defend Trumps logic :rolleyes:

Or is there more

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

Bazzo

This would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and alarming. A few months ago certain posters were pushing Hillary Clinton being a very dangerous individual, in large part, because they claimed she was a war-mongerer and friendly with the Saudis because of financial ties to her charity.

Now trump is windmilling the most powerful nation on earth towards war at unprecedented speeds, oh and those evil Saudis who evil Clinton was taking evil money off for her evil charity? Here's what trump has to say about them:

Commander in Tweet wrote:

They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.

Oh, and let's not forget that the 9/11 attacks are referenced as the driving factor for this "Muslim ban" and yet, somehow, Saudi Arabia, which was the single largest contributor of people toward the attacks, has been miraculously omitted from the list of nations whose citizens are barred entry.

KingBrian2

weisses wrote: »

9/11 done by saudi terrorists ... Saudi Arabia is not on the list

San Bernadino terror attack done by Pakistani terrorists .... Pakistan is not on the list


But go ahead and defend Trumps logic :rolleyes:

Or is there more

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-muslim-ban-excludes-countries-linked-businesses-article-1.2957956

Don't the opponents of Trump want to ensure the flow of immigrants to continue at present. The Dems have no contingency plans for the arrival of Muslims. They stuck by Hillary on her positions that America & Europe would continue to absorb all the refugees without actually solving the problem in places like Syria, Iraq and Libya which are being plagued by terrorists that are sponsored by Saudi Arabia.

We have a contortion of positions that we must let Muslims from these countries into Europe and America for their own safety totally ignoring ISIS, Al Nusra, Muslim Brotherhood and the other bunch of fanatics spreading terror across the region. The obvious and more pro Muslim approach to take would be to take on the terrorists everywhere and not provide them with corridors into America & Europe.

Billy86

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Go ahead then, prove it. Prove that Billy86 admires Saudi Arabia.

Come on now Palpatine, you should know better than to expect Brian to to able substantiate any of his claims.

mayo.mick

https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/825511640854622209

KingBrian2

Billy86 wrote: »

Come on now Palpatine, you should know better than to expect Brian to to able substantiate any of his claims.

Yeah Billy we all see the fear that is spread by your friends in the media industry. The same media that have wide spread coverage of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims. It's not surprising people will vote for extreme candidates when they are subjected to such fear about the nasty Muslims.

vetinari

Btw for people spreading lies in this thread, you do need a transit visa to transit via a US airport. It's untrue to say otherwise. Trump's executive order is ridiculous. The denying entry to green card holders is next level bonkers.

CMOTDibbler

A Federal judge has put a stay on deportation orders for people with valid visas.

First obstacle President Trump has encountered. Wonder how he'll respond.

Harika

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

A Federal judge has put a stay on deportation orders for people with valid visas.

First obstacle President Trump has encountered. Wonder how he'll respond.

Look at Brexit "Those unelected anti patriots"

Akrasia

Harika wrote: »

Look at Brexit "Those unelected anti patriots"

Speaking of Brexit. In March, the British government will have to choose between granting visas to all (or most) of the EU citizens currently living there, or mass deportations, which would likely be met with mass deportations of UK citizens out of EU countries (including Ireland)

One would hope that sensible heads prevail but after last year, that hope is diminished

rgossip30

vetinari wrote: »

Btw for people spreading lies in this thread, you do need a transit visa to transit via a US airport. It's untrue to say otherwise. Trump's executive order is ridiculous. The denying entry to green card holders is next level bonkers.

remains to be seen . This ban is only temporary until a proper vetting system is in place some have not figured this out yet .

looksee

This directly concerns Ireland in that the ban is being operated in Dublin and Shannon at the US pre-clearance desks. Ireland should not allow this to happen, afaik it contravenes international agreements on refugees.

Akrasia

rgossip30 wrote: »

remains to be seen . This ban is only temporary until a proper vetting system is in place some have not figured this out yet .

Have you ever applied for visa to get into America?

About 30% of visas applications are declined for one reason or another already. Trump has consistently said there are no checks on the people coming in. That's a bare faced lie.

Akrasia

looksee wrote: »

This directly concerns Ireland in that the ban is being operated in Dublin and Shannon at the US pre-clearance desks. Ireland should not allow this to happen, afaik it contravenes international agreements on refugees.

Ireland will not do anything that might threatened our pre clearance facility.

CMOTDibbler

rgossip30 wrote: »

remains to be seen . This ban is only temporary until a proper vetting system is in place some have not figured this out yet .

It's temporary for 90 days. That's three months in real money. How many people can afford to be out of work for three months and living in a country that they may have not been in for years? With no means of supporting themselves or their families back in the US.

And there's a likelihood that it will be extended to other countries.

recedite

Akrasia wrote: »

What happens the next time there is an islamicist attack in the US.
It's likely to happen. There are 3.3 million Muslims in America, Most are citizens. Trump is a giving a big middle finger to them, It only takes one nutcase with a gun and Trump is in reaction mode.

So you're saying that these 3.3 million Muslims are likely to produce more terrorist attacks? Now you are the one generalising about all Muslims.

For the record, Islamic terrorist attacks in the USA are linked with nationals of certain anti-American countries (and also it has to be said, Saudi Arabia). Most Muslims, for example Black Americans and Indonesian Muslim immigrants are completely unaffected by this executive order.

CMOTDibbler

recedite wrote: »

So you're saying that these 3.3 million Muslims are likely to produce more terrorist attacks? Now you are the one generalising about all Muslims.

For the record, Islamic terrorist attacks are linked with nationals of certain anti-American countries (and also it has to be said, Saudi Arabia). Most Muslims, for example Black Americans and Indonesian Muslim immigrants are completely unaffected by this executive order.

So far.

It's likely to be extended to other countries according to the White House. Cue Melania packing her bags.

rgossip30

recedite wrote: »

So you're saying that these 3.3 million Muslims are likely to produce more terrorist attacks? Now you are the one generalising about all Muslims.

For the record, Islamic terrorist attacks in the USA are linked with nationals of certain anti-American countries (and also it has to be said, Saudi Arabia). Most Muslims, for example Black Americans and Indonesian Muslim immigrants are completely unaffected by this executive order.

Yes Asian muslims are more moderate and tolerant maybe their middle east brothers should learn from example .

Water John

So we now should only ban Sunni muslims?

Harika

rgossip30 wrote: »

Yes Asian muslims are more moderate and tolerant maybe their middle east brothers should learn from example .

Far more moderate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_Indonesia

recedite

Water John wrote: »

So we now should only ban Sunni muslims?

Iran is on the list.