President 'The Donald' Trump and Surprising Consequences - Mod warning in OP

alastair

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

The Judge was wrong. A quick google brings up many other examples, or are these isolated incidents too?

When exactly have Al-Shabaab attacked anyone in the US?

Those Somalis in Minneapolis were headed to Africa to fight.

Christy42

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Then they will just 'go nuclear'. The situation is increasingly dire.

Force them to do it. Make the Republicans absolutely own the absolute failure of this administration.

This administration is not willing to work with anyone. Make it as absolutely clear as possible that the Republicans either have to deal with the democrats or announce their intention to not work with anyone.

oscarBravo

recedite wrote: »

By refusing to engage with Assad and Putin, he allowed IS to fester.
Trump has no such hang-ups. I expect he'll get the job done within the year.

An interesting perspective on that:

The truth is that it is both pointless and dangerous for America to fight ISIS alongside Russia. Pointless because the Russians are not there to fight ISIS — their real goals in the region have nothing to do with eliminating the terror group, but with empowering Assad and other anti-American allies. Dangerous because the United States and Russia share neither common goals nor common tactics. Our forces are not interoperable, and neither is the way we fight wars. Russians operate differently from Americans at every level of conflict — tactically, operationally, and strategically. There is no established trust between our nations or our forces, and the place to build that trust is not during a major operation where our goals are fundamentally misaligned.

The whole article is well worth a read.

Hank Scorpio

alastair wrote: »

When exactly have Al-Shabaab attacked anyone in the US?

Those Somalis in Minneapolis were headed to Africa to fight.

Whether it's the 3 guys wanting to fly out, or the other 10 mentioned in the article, or the two mentioned in recent attacks from the other article I linked is beyond any point. The fact ( see I can use Italics too ) is that the Judge was wrong.

To argue over something that's fact and be so pedantic is a waste of time, and again - point scoring nonsense when there's countless links to prove otherwise.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/16/ohio-man-accused-traveling-to-syria-plotting-terror-act.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment announced Thursday.

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to "kill three or four American soldiers execution style," according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn't work, the charges said."

I refuse to squabble when there isn't even an argument, waste of my time. Good luck to you.

Itssoeasy

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Whether it's the 3 guys wanting to fly out, or the other 10 mentioned in the article, or the two mentioned in recent attacks from the other article I linked is beyond any point. The fact ( see I can use Italics too ) is that the Judge was wrong.

To argue over something that's fact and be so pedantic is a waste of time, and again - point scoring nonsense when there's countless links to prove otherwise.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/16/ohio-man-accused-traveling-to-syria-plotting-terror-act.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment announced Thursday.

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to "kill three or four American soldiers execution style," according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn't work, the charges said."

I refuse to squabble when there isn't even an argument, waste of my time. Good luck to you.

So he wanted to but didn't kill any Americans because of the FBI and other law enforcement agencies doing their jobs and helping to stop terrorist attacks. So the current system worked ?

alastair

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Whether it's the 3 guys wanting to fly out, or the other 10 mentioned in the article, or the two mentioned in recent attacks from the other article I linked is beyond any point. The fact ( see I can use Italics too ) is that the Judge was wrong.

To argue over something that's fact and be so pedantic is a waste of time, and again - point scoring nonsense when there's countless links to prove otherwise.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/16/ohio-man-accused-traveling-to-syria-plotting-terror-act.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment announced Thursday.

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to "kill three or four American soldiers execution style," according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn't work, the charges said."

I refuse to squabble when there isn't even an argument, waste of my time. Good luck to you.

Again - what act of terror has this Somali committed in the USA?

Billy86

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Good - make them own this.

If Republican voters made their representatives 'own' their actions, they'd have ceased to exist quite a while ago.

KingBrian2

Akrasia wrote: »

What i want to know is when did Americans turn into such cowards?

The risk of being attack by a terrorist in the USA is ridiculously small, but Americans are prepared to hand their country over to a bunch of lunatics just because they promise to make them safer.

American have more to fear from their own drinking water than from terrorism.

Half of America are demanding that ISIS are bombed back into the stone age while simultaneously saying that America should have no responsibility for refugees fleeing the war zone in case one or two of them might be isis in disguise.

Americans don't care about the tens of thousands of people who are killed as a direct result of US military actions abtoad, but are prepared to start world war 3 if a few innocent American citizens are killed by radical muslims.

Imagine the public outrage if a little blonde 8 year old white American girl had been killed in an attack against a US soldiers home.

Trump supporters shrugged off or even celebrated the attack that killed a little girl. ISIS use these innocent victims to recruit their army.

The price of freedom is that sometimes bad things happen. The safest people in the world are locked up in padded cells

Well America's policies have been inherently racist for three decades now. They have consistently supported Israeli land grabbing maneuvers in the West Bank while totally ignoring the lives of ordinary Muslim Palestinians. A policy that continued under Pres Obama.

eire4

jobbridge4life wrote: »

They are going to redistrict. I honestly don't have much hope of there ever being a Democratic majority again.

That situation does not apply to the senate. Each state has 2 senators regardless of how small the state is population wise. What your talking about is the house which was districts redrawn every 10 years and whos make up in terms of the numbers from each state is determined by population. After the last census in 2010 as the Republicans were gaining control of the majority of the US at a state level they were able to gerrymander districts after the 2010 census. The next time there will be redistricting will be after the 2020 census.

MightyMandarin

John McCain. Lindsey Graham. Rand Paul.

The next time someone says that these are "good Republicans" or "aren't afraid of Trump", show them how they voted today for a woman who's going to be a cancer on America's education system.

They're spineless cowards who just proved America is not in the slightest bit democratic, if anyone didn't believe that already.

ancapailldorcha

Thread closed for mod review.

ancapailldorcha

Thread re-opened. I'm still going through it but the link dumping and childish name calling stops now. This includes terms like "Trumpists".

Bazzo

The Republicans have actually been in a bit of bother with the courts for gerrymandering recently. They have been ordered to redraw their district maps in both North Carolina and Wisconsin and they actually have to hold a special election in NC this year because of it.

http://fusion.net/story/372887/north-carolina-new-election-redrawn-districts/

http://wisconsingazette.com/2017/01/27/court-blocks-wisconsin-redistrict-plan-orders-new-maps/

Unfortunately both of these apply to the state legislature rather than congress but hopefully it's indicative that they may be brought to task for their bull**** practices.

jobbridge4life

alastair wrote: »

In fairness, that got very little coverage in Europe.

Aye but then we have our issues to deal with. You should have seen the coverage in Middle Earth though. Wall to border wall it was.

Akrasia

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Whether it's the 3 guys wanting to fly out, or the other 10 mentioned in the article, or the two mentioned in recent attacks from the other article I linked is beyond any point. The fact ( see I can use Italics too ) is that the Judge was wrong.

To argue over something that's fact and be so pedantic is a waste of time, and again - point scoring nonsense when there's countless links to prove otherwise.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/16/ohio-man-accused-traveling-to-syria-plotting-terror-act.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment announced Thursday.

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to "kill three or four American soldiers execution style," according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn't work, the charges said."

I refuse to squabble when there isn't even an argument, waste of my time. Good luck to you.

You do realise that the attacks never took place right? The intelligence services caught him before he committed his terrible crimes.

Terrorism needs to be dealt with by the intelligence services and the criminal justice syatem, which they have been successfully doing by and large.

There is no existential threat to America from isis or Islamic Terrorism in general. But there is an existential threat from letting a scientifically illiterate, climate change denying, belligerent demagogue take control

jobbridge4life

KingBrian2 wrote: »

Well America's policies have been inherently racist for three decades now. They have consistently supported Israeli land grabbing maneuvers in the West Bank while totally ignoring the lives of ordinary Muslim Palestinians. A policy that continued under Pres Obama.

Does the inherent racism of American policy justify the election or support of an explicitly racist regime?

I understand that it is the habit of Trump supporters to deflect from his egregious ills by pointing out similar (and that is debatable) failings of American presidents or policies past, but the next logical step is to ask plainly 'does that make what is happening now okay?'.

jobbridge4life

eire4 wrote: »

That situation does not apply to the senate. Each state has 2 senators regardless of how small the state is population wise. What your talking about is the house which was districts redrawn every 10 years and whos make up in terms of the numbers from each state is determined by population. After the last census in 2010 as the Republicans were gaining control of the majority of the US at a state level they were able to gerrymander districts after the 2010 census. The next time there will be redistricting will be after the 2020 census.

Thanks for that. I realise that about the Senate but in the Senate the Republicans have less cause for conern anyway as the structure disproportionately benefits them.

Redistricting is a major concern, it may literally be the end of meaningful democracy in the US. Unfortunately it looks like it is only going to get worse.

https://twitter.com/fschouten/status/829018421778116608

FatherTed

There's a gofundme page for Bowling Green :

https://www.gofundme.com/yh6bn8-remember-bowling-green

FatherTed

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Whether it's the 3 guys wanting to fly out, or the other 10 mentioned in the article, or the two mentioned in recent attacks from the other article I linked is beyond any point. The fact ( see I can use Italics too ) is that the Judge was wrong.

To argue over something that's fact and be so pedantic is a waste of time, and again - point scoring nonsense when there's countless links to prove otherwise.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/04/16/ohio-man-accused-traveling-to-syria-plotting-terror-act.html

"COLUMBUS, Ohio – An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment announced Thursday.

Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to "kill three or four American soldiers execution style," according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didn't work, the charges said."

I refuse to squabble when there isn't even an argument, waste of my time. Good luck to you.

So... exactly what part of the system failed to prevent a terror attack in this case?

KingBrian2

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Does the inherent racism of American policy justify the election or support of an explicitly racist regime?

I understand that it is the habit of Trump supporters to deflect from his egregious ills by pointing out similar (and that is debatable) failings of American presidents or policies past, but the next logical step is to ask plainly 'does that make what is happening now okay?'.

The foreign policy of America has been exactly the same now as it was during the Obama administration aside from that last minute UN vote on Israel. The Republicans and Democrats have identical positions on this issue. As we know Bernie did not even get to the top of the Democrats aristocracy nor did similar voices of reason. The election saw a migration of voters to third party candidates which is i believe the wave of the future so in that sense Trump victory was encourage able to Independent and Libertarian candidates. Waiting for socialist party but not expecting it any time soon to attract any of the numbers that the two large parties have.

Itssoeasy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42EzoSp8W8

I think it's good to have on the record of this thread the moment mike pence as Vice President broke the tie and confirmed Betsy devos as education secretary. When she does such a horrible job this should be in all the democrats ads for the GOP senators up for reelection.

What I find mind numbing about the GOP is how hypocritical they are at times and can say it with a straight face.

listermint

Itssoeasy wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f42EzoSp8W8

I think it's good to have on the record of this thread the moment mike pence as Vice President broke the tie and confirmed Betsy devos as education secretary. When she does such a horrible job this should be in all the democrats ads for the GOP senators up for reelection.

What I find mind numbing about the GOP is how hypocritical they are at times and can say it with a straight face.

Well she did literally buy every vote in the room.


Draining the swamp.

I wonder what cool new education contracts will be awarded over the next few months

Billy86

"I have decided, however, to stop taking offense at the suggestion that we are buying influence. Now I simply concede the point. They are right. We do expect some things in return. We expect to foster a conservative governing philosophy consisting of limited government and respect for traditional American virtues. We expect a return on our investment... Furthermore, we expect the Republican party to use the money to promote these policies, and yes, to win elections.”
- Betsy Devos, Roll Call, 9/6/97

DRAIN THE-- Oh f*** it, even many of the Trump fans seem to be giving up on trying to defend the 'swamp' comments at this stage.

Water John

13,000 hanged in Damascus.
KingBrian calls it prisoner mistreatment.

That's understatement at a whole new level.

Billy86

Water John wrote: »

13,000 hanged in Damascus.
KingBrian calls it prisoner mistreatment.

That's understatement at a whole new level.

Well yeah, 'understatement' is one word you could apply, I guess...

MightyMandarin

Billy86 wrote: »

Well yeah, 'understatement' is one word you could apply, I guess...

It's just like calling torture 'Enhanced Interrogation'.

He's afraid to admit what it really is because it doesn't back up his beliefs ie his beliefs are more important than reality. He's not the only one around here like that though.

MightyMandarin

I wonder how long it'll be before Donald calls them 'fake news' again when they accurately report on stuff involving him.

I imagine being shunned by the networks for a few days scared her.

Harry Palmr

Is Kellyanne Conway Ann Coulter's lost sister?

Billy86

Video is muted for some reason?

Found it here - http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2017/02/03/conway-bowling-green-newday.cnn/video/playlists/kellyanne-conway/ - after Googling, and it just continues to show everything that is wrong with the US media (unless it cut out earlier, though still quite inexcusable given that that is CNN's official website). She just said it's not fake news, so you have to repeatedly, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over drill her on why the Trump administration is saying it is.

...and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again...

Have the audio ready, have the video set up. Play it. Make politicians face their lies when they say them. Make them accountable for their actions and the actions of those they represent.

Instead, from what I saw, Jake Tapper just sat there in silence and took the answer like without any questioning. Much like whoever it was that had the video go viral of Trump denying having ever met Putin, that's an irresponsible level of incompetence from a supposed journalist.

MightyMandarin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Is Kellyanne Conway Ann Coulter's lost sister?

They look similar alright. They're also both detestable characters.