Pizzagate

King Mob

deco nate wrote: »

I Only came across this thread tonight, as you know. However I read about this story when it broke. And believe me when I say that the journalist jumped the gun big time, then backed down. Not because of pressure. But because of their small minded middle American views.. Again Nothing in those photos are illegal on either side of the Atlantic. Maybe frowned upon in the US. By middle Americans. But that is all, case closed...

It's not the only time. Earlier in the thread another person was being accused of being involved and in several of the articles linked on the thread a big to do was made about this guy being gay, going to gay clubs and posing with shirtless men. The implication being that these things all indicated that he was suspicious and therefore involved in a child sex ring.

This theory is very popular among Alt-right types and outlets so it's not really a surprise that some of it is geared to play off conservative ideas and norms to make stuff like more suspicious than it actually is.

enno99

deco nate wrote: »

I Only came across this thread tonight, as you know. However I read about this story when it broke. And believe me when I say that the journalist jumped the gun big time, then backed down. Not because of pressure. But because of their small minded middle American views.. Again Nothing in those photos are illegal on either side of the Atlantic. Maybe frowned upon in the US. By middle Americans. But that is all, case closed...

what journalist ?

enno99

deco nate wrote: »

No, until they are exposed. even the source you claim backed down. Most likely the same photos you linked, yanks have an more uptight view than us.

Take a rest

what source ?

ScumLord

enno99 wrote: »

Grannan’s process and the consequent images are informed by her own childhood in the American northeast. Each photograph is imbued with secrecy, desire, and hidden intentions.

Here, the artist undoes the traditional framework for female nudity, presenting a young girl in her own living room, equipped with a nose ring and boyish haircut.

https://paddle8.com/work/katy-grannan/85809-untitled-from-poughkeepsie-journal-series

The result is a cache of images of children, adolescents, teens, young adults, and trusting strangers… Who perform for the camera in ways that are at once scripted and quite candid.”

https://www.brooklynmuseum.org/eascfa/feminist_art_base/katy-grannan

There's absolutely nothing pornographic about those images. It even explains the purpose of the pictures below.

If anyone finds images like that pornographic its says more about them than the artist.

enno99

ScumLord wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing pornographic about those images. It even explains the purpose of the pictures below.

If anyone finds images like that pornographic its says more about them than the artist.

I would love to know where someone said are pornagraphic I dont recall saying it

Psychedelic

That guy with the gun at Comet Ping Pong was a false flag, total BS.

One of the reasons I am convinced PizzaGate is real is by how hard the mainstream media is fighting this. They invented the "fake news" thing to discredit any alternative media reporting about it. Even the Washington Post, in an article about fake news, admits their own lies:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/russian-propaganda-effort-helped-spread-fake-news-during-election-experts-say/2016/11/24/793903b6-8a40-4ca9-b712-716af66098fe_story.html?utm_term=.be5b80cff625

Editor’s Note: The Washington Post on Nov. 24 published a story on the work of four sets of researchers who have examined what they say are Russian propaganda efforts to undermine American democracy and interests. One of them was PropOrNot, a group that insists on public anonymity, which issued a report identifying more than 200 websites that, in its view, wittingly or unwittingly published or echoed Russian propaganda. A number of those sites have objected to being included on PropOrNot’s list, and some of the sites, as well as others not on the list, have publicly challenged the group’s methodology and conclusions. The Post, which did not name any of the sites, does not itself vouch for the validity of PropOrNot’s findings regarding any individual media outlet, nor did the article purport to do so. Since publication of The Post’s story, PropOrNot has removed some sites from its list.

Correction: A previously published version of this story incorrectly stated that Russian information service RT had used the “#CrookedHillary” hastag pushed by then-Republican candidate Donald Trump. In fact, while another Russian information service Sputnik did use this hashtag, RT did not.

The mainstream media is total garbage, if you haven't figured that out after everything they lied about and got wrong during the election, you never will.

If PizzaGate is just a stupid conspiracy theory, why don't they just ignore it? Do they give this kind of coverage to Flat Earth, Chemtrails, Lizard People?

And why are PizzaGate deniers here fighting so hard against this? For something you dismiss an "alt-right conspiracy" you sure are spending an awful lot of your time on it, why bother?

King Mob

Psychedelic wrote: »

That guy with the gun at Comet Ping Pong was a false flag, total BS.

How do you know this for a fact?

Psychedelic wrote: »

If PizzaGate is just a stupid conspiracy theory, why don't they just ignore it? Do they give this kind of coverage to Flat Earth, Chemtrails, Lizard People?

Because a story is a story. And because people claiming that prominent politicians being involved in a satanic child abuse ring based on ridiculous evidence is amusing and attention getting.

Oh and some guy went out with a gun to investigate this nonsense.

Psychedelic wrote: »

And why are PizzaGate deniers here fighting so hard against this? For something you dismiss an "alt-right conspiracy" you sure are spending an awful lot of your time on it, why bother?

Because we're being paid to, obviously:rolleyes:

You keep going on about the mainstream media being corrupt and dishonest, but why then do you trust the conspiracy theory media so implicitly when it's been shown they are dishonest?

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

I would love to know where someone said are pornagraphic I dont recall saying it

Then maybe you should explain what your point was in posting it.

You claim now they are not the pictures in Podestas house nor are they pictures of naked teenagers that the artist is supposedly famous for.
So what were those links for exactly...?

sabat

If I was to put a wager on it I reckon they're talking about cocaine rather than catamites.

Autonomous Cowherd

sabat wrote: »

If I was to put a wager on it I reckon they're talking about cocaine rather than catamites.

That was my first thought. Drug code of some sort in the emails. It's the most likely.

Unfortunate (or suspicious) that it matches paedophilia code words....

ScumLord

enno99 wrote: »

I would love to know where someone said are pornagraphic I dont recall saying it

Well what's the problem then. These are photos that have partial nudity in them, I don't see the problem. DO you have a problem with the human form?

Psychedelic wrote: »

One of the reasons I am convinced PizzaGate is real is by how hard the mainstream media is fighting this. They invented the "fake news" thing to discredit any alternative media reporting about it. Even the Washington Post, in an article about fake news, admits their own lies:

So your reasons for believing pizzagate has nothing to do with the facts just how the media reacted to it, with facts. I don't follow the media so I've only seen what's been posted here along with a segment on newstalk.

There's no doubt the quality of journalism has fallen since the internet came along and ruined print media. Now click bait is the order of the day and if a news outlet isn't reporting on the story immediately as it happens with as much speculation as they can muster the conspiracy theorists start accusing them of covering up the facts.

The mainstream media is total garbage, if you haven't figured that out after everything they lied about and got wrong during the election, you never will.

They got the elections wrong, sure. But that isn't the same thing as lying. In all reality it wasn't so much the media that got the election wrong, but the pollsters, the media only regurgitate what those guys tell them, most media personalities are just pretty faces for the camera that can read out loud.

If PizzaGate is just a stupid conspiracy theory, why don't they just ignore it? Do they give this kind of coverage to Flat Earth, Chemtrails, Lizard People?

Are flat earth theorists going into businesses with guns? Are chemtrail supporters picketing outside a legitimate business? Are the lizard people making threatening phone calls. Of course the media are going to report the story, if they didn't you'd be on here crying "why aren't they covering this story?".

And why are PizzaGate deniers here fighting so hard against this? For something you dismiss an "alt-right conspiracy" you sure are spending an awful lot of your time on it, why bother?

I know conspiracy theorists would like to be left to their own wild speculation, where logic and fact checking using at least two sources.

But this is fun, ignorance is a curse on modern society, I get enjoyment from tackling it. The real reason there's an elite that can do whatever they like is because we have idiotic theories like this taking up people's time. There is actual human trafficking taking place all over the world but it's typical that we ignore that reality and would rather live in a fantasy land, creating a softer villain that can be combated with strongly worded emails and facebook groups.

Dohnjoe

Psychedelic wrote: »

And why are PizzaGate deniers here fighting so hard against this? For something you dismiss an "alt-right conspiracy" you sure are spending an awful lot of your time on it, why bother?

Because it's bull****

Unfortunately it's bull**** that can and does get lapped up by unsuspecting people. And ultimately it can have real-world consequences.

enno99

ScumLord wrote: »

Well what's the problem then. These are photos that have partial nudity in them, I don't see the problem. DO you have a problem with the human form?

Please provide any reference that shows this artist is famous for pictures of naked teenagers in their parents homes

So as you see below thats what I did

Here, the artist undoes the traditional framework for female nudity, presenting a young girl in her own living room, equipped with a nose ring and boyish haircut.

The result is a cache of images of children, adolescents, teens, young adults, and trusting strangers… Who perform for the camera in ways that are at once scripted and quite candid.

”

Heres the post have a look for yourself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101910311&postcount=137

Has this cleared it up for you
Its tiresome having to spoonfeed some people here
So you see no claims made on my part about anything

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

Please provide any reference that shows this artist is famous for pictures of naked teenagers in their parents homes

So as you see below thats what I did

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Heres the post have a look for yourself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101910311&postcount=137

Has this cleared it up for you
Its tiresome having to spoonfeed some people here
So you see no claims made on my part about anything

Wait, so now you're saying that picture is of a teenager?

So that's what's hanging up in the Podesta's house?

Could you explain what you find objectionable about this type of picture?

You wouldn't have to spoonfeed anyone if you just stuck with your points and made them consistent, clear and honest.

Also the second post does not refer to any of those subjects being nude, so I'm not sure why you think that proves your claim.
Or how a grand total of one picture makes someone famous for taking one type of picture for that matter...

Overheal

enno99 wrote: »

I think teenagers are children

Except when they're adults: 18 and 19 years old.

If this is the crux of this tangent I think we are done arguing about what may or may not be on display in someone's house. There doesn't seem to be anything to it.

My sister and her boyfriend had nude art in their home years ago. Didn't think much of it. Photos of young women (not children..) wouldn't occur to me they were satanists or sexual criminals.

Considering that a good portion of the woman's art doesn't actually display nudity it's not reasonable to assume just from the artists name what the actual content of the displayed art is. The whole point of a discussion is a dead end as far as I can see.

enno99

Overheal wrote: »

Except when they're adults: 18 and 19 years old.

If this is the crux of this tangent I think we are done arguing about what may or may not be on display in someone's house. There doesn't seem to be anything to it.

My sister and her boyfriend had nude art in their home years ago. Didn't think much of it. Photos of young women (not children..) wouldn't occur to me they were satanists or sexual criminals.

Considering that a good portion of the woman's art doesn't actually display nudity it's not reasonable to assume just from the artists name what the actual content of the displayed art is. The whole point of a discussion is a dead end as far as I can see.

im sure your sisters art would not provoke such a reaction either

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

ScumLord

enno99 wrote: »

Please provide any reference that shows this artist is famous for pictures of naked teenagers in their parents homes

So as you see below thats what I did



”

Heres the post have a look for yourself

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101910311&postcount=137

Has this cleared it up for you
Its tiresome having to spoonfeed some people here
So you see no claims made on my part about anything

I'm a bit lost here Enno, I just don't know what the argument is anymore. Ignoring any flavour the journalist put into the article, what's the problem you have with the podesta's. What are we supposed to be upset about?

enno99 wrote: »

im sure your sisters art would not provoke such a reaction either

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

Yeah but, what will horrify a devout Christian, won't horrify a art critic from LA, it's a meaningless statement that depends on circumstance and context.

Going back to the original accusation, that the podesta's are part of some peadophile ring based on, the emails, the article, symbolism in their pizza sign. The evidence falls flat. The whole theory is based on misinterpreting a journalist's opinion. Even the conspiracy is based on the opinion of a journalist.

Overheal

enno99 wrote: »

im sure your sisters art would not provoke such a reaction either

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

Who was horrified? A nun or Marilyn Manson? If the most 'evidence' here is a quote that "they were horrified" its nothing to go on.

gitzy16v

The Podesta's are dead ringers for the photo-fit of the alleged abductors of Maddie Mc...other than that Its all bollox as far as i can see

sabat

gitzy16v wrote: »

The Podesta's are dead ringers for the photo-fit of the alleged abductors of Maddie Mc...other than that Its all bollox as far as i can see

Except that wasn't a photofit of two people-it was two different witnesses' version of the same man-and the witnesses said the man was between 20 and 40 when the Podestas were 20 years older than that. And they weren't in Portugal at the time.

gitzy16v

sabat wrote: »

Except that wasn't a photofit of two people-it was two different witnesses' version of the same man-and the witnesses said the man was between 20 and 40 when the Podestas were 20 years older than that. And they weren't in Portugal at the time.

What an unusually defensive reply to what I thought was a fairly innocuous post...
I assume you have links to the photo fit being the same man and that they definitely weren't in Portugal at the time.
If you had of read until the end of my post before jumping on the defensive,you would have read that it all looks like bollox to me.
Thank you.
G

Overheal

gitzy16v wrote: »

What an unusually defensive reply to what I thought was a fairly innocuous post...
I assume you have links to the photo fit being the same man and that they definitely weren't in Portugal at the time.
If you had of read until the end of my post before jumping on the defensive,you would have read that it all looks like bollox to me.
Thank you.
G

This has nothing to do with Madeline McCain. So, your post was in no way constructive to the thread. Thanks.

King Mob

enno99 wrote: »

im sure your sisters art would not provoke such a reaction either

"They were horrified," Heather recalls, a grin spreading across her face.

Why do you think that they would be horrified?

The only way this quote helps you is if you are arguing that she is boasting about it being pictures of children.
However:
1. You have been continuously stating that "you're not accusing anyone of anything"
2. You have admitted cannot explain how that scenario would make any sense (ie. you couldn't explain why the owner of the art would be so open about a crime or say such a thing, nor why the reporter or the newspaper didn't make a big deal about them committing a crime.)

If then you aren't implying they are guilty of owning child porn, then what about owning and displaying nude art makes them suspicious? What are you suspicious of?

So please stop being vague and coy to hedge your bets. Please explain what is the point you are trying to make.

Overheal

Colbert breaks down pizzagate

Psychedelic

King Mob wrote: »

How do you know this for a fact?

Lots of reasons, here's a few. The guy with the gun doing an interview with the NYT the day after. The lawyer witness on Alex Jones clearly had an agenda. The MSM couldn't get the story straight: no shots fired, one shot fired, shot fired through a locked door that somehow damaged a computer. Some strange goings-on with the traffic camera near CPP. Everything about the incident screams BS to me.

King Mob wrote: »

Because we're being paid to, obviously:rolleyes:

Careful, someone was banned for being "snarky" earlier in this thread.

King Mob wrote: »

You keep going on about the mainstream media being corrupt and dishonest, but why then do you trust the conspiracy theory media so implicitly when it's been shown they are dishonest?

The people investigating PizzaGate are doing so because of the evidence they have discovered, which includes emails written to and sent by John Podesta, images posted by James Alefantis and associates, etc. So it's not a case of me believing "conspiracy theory media". They are barely reporting on it anyway.

Psychedelic

ScumLord wrote: »

So your reasons for believing pizzagate has nothing to do with the facts just how the media reacted to it, with facts. I don't follow the media so I've only seen what's been posted here along with a segment on newstalk.

I said "One of the reasons I am convinced PizzaGate is real..."

I have been following this from the beginning and have seen lots of evidence to make me believe it.

ScumLord wrote: »

They got the elections wrong, sure. But that isn't the same thing as lying. In all reality it wasn't so much the media that got the election wrong, but the pollsters, the media only regurgitate what those guys tell them, most media personalities are just pretty faces for the camera that can read out loud.

They didn't just get it wrong, they lied. They are/were working directly for the Clinton campaign and her globalist backers. It's all in the WikiLeaks.



Version with clickable links:
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5cb4hl/drain_the_swamp_here_are_45_journalists_who_were/

ScumLord wrote: »

But this is fun, ignorance is a curse on modern society, I get enjoyment from tackling it. The real reason there's an elite that can do whatever they like is because we have idiotic theories like this taking up people's time. There is actual human trafficking taking place all over the world but it's typical that we ignore that reality and would rather live in a fantasy land, creating a softer villain that can be combated with strongly worded emails and facebook groups.

The big picture of PizzaGate is actual human trafficking, and more, that is what is being uncovered by the investigation.

Psychedelic

Overheal wrote: »

Colbert breaks down pizzagate

Colbert is a shill: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46703

From:craig.minassian@clintonglobalinitiative.org
To: john.podesta@gmail.com, jpodesta@americaporgress.org
Date: 2013-04-10 14:29
Subject: CGI U - The Colbert Report Special Episodes

John,

I hope you got a chance to see the The Colbert Report's two special episodes i had them do about CGI U that we taped in St. Louis this weekend. This is the link to last nights with a sketch about commitments and the monologue and WJC interview aired Monday. Hope you enjoy and looking forward to your feedback. Next will be your Colbert appearance!

-Craig

http://t.colbertnation.com/

Overheal

Psychedelic wrote: »

Colbert is a shill: https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/46703

You should *really* watch the piece....go ahead and skip to about tree fiddy (seriously, 3:50)

King Mob

Psychedelic wrote: »

Lots of reasons, here's a few. The guy with the gun doing an interview with the NYT the day after. The lawyer witness on Alex Jones clearly had an agenda.

I simply am not going to take your word for this, so sources please.
If true, why does him giving an interview mean it's a false flag?
What lawyer witness? What agenda? And how do you know?

Psychedelic wrote: »

The MSM couldn't get the story straight: no shots fired, one shot fired, shot fired through a locked door that somehow damaged a computer. Some strange goings-on with the traffic camera near CPP. Everything about the incident screams BS to me.

Why does this show it's a false flag?
Conflicting reports around an incident before all the facts are known is not unusual.
Surely if the whole thing was staged then the media would know what to report right away and there would only be one story. Why would they not get the story straight in the conspiracy theory explanation?

Psychedelic wrote: »

Careful, someone was banned for being "snarky" earlier in this thread.

Your vague accusation didn't warrant a serious response.

Psychedelic wrote: »

The people investigating PizzaGate are doing so because of the evidence they have discovered, which includes emails written to and sent by John Podesta, images posted by James Alefantis and associates, etc. So it's not a case of me believing "conspiracy theory media". They are barely reporting on it anyway.

But as we have been showing, there is nothing actually there:
The worst of the emails involving John Podesta rely on very tenuous interpretations of people's opinion and a lot of logical leaps that don't hold water. People only believe that these emails are suspicious because they have been told to and they didn't bother checking them or thinking about it for themselves.

Do you believe that he has child porn hanging in his guest bedroom as per the accusations we have just been discussing?
If not, what emails are you referring to specifically?

And as for James Alefantis, what images are suspicious?
I've already shown the "investigators" who posted these images are either dishonest in how they are presenting them, or they are grossly incompetent.
Do you have any response to that?

Dohnjoe

Psychedelic wrote: »

Lots of reasons, here's a few. The guy with the gun doing an interview with the NYT the day after. The lawyer witness on Alex Jones clearly had an agenda. The MSM couldn't get the story straight: no shots fired, one shot fired, shot fired through a locked door that somehow damaged a computer. Some strange goings-on with the traffic camera near CPP. Everything about the incident screams BS to me.

Alex Jones (infowars) is a fake news site.

Many people (and nuts) have turned up at the restaurant as a result of this conspiracy theory. The only difference is this guy came armed and discharged one of the weapons which is a felony