The alt right - Mod Warning in OP

130Kph

frostyjacks wrote: »

This guide should help with your understanding.

http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/

It’s handy that they have a paragraph heading called anti-semitism on that page.
But given

frostyjacks wrote: »

.... but I'd argue that it's more grounded in reality than other news sites. ..

Can you clarify:- Is Anglin just trolling here or do you agree that

It is now fully-documented that Jews are behind mass-immigration, feminism, the news media and Hollywood, pornography, the global banking system, global communism, the homosexual political agenda, the wars in the Middle East and virtually everything else the Alt-Right is opposed to. This is, to a shocking extent, simply admitted by the Jews themselves.

As such, the only way to end these problems is to strike the root and remove the Jews from our societies.

Widdershins

Brian? wrote: »

Look, if you're not going to give me some specifics how do I respond?

I suppose you can't respond if this isn't something you've previously considered. The ''irish men need feminism'' or Louise O'Neill threads thoroughly cover the idea.

frostyjacks

130Kph wrote: »

It’s handy that they have a paragraph heading called anti-semitism on that page.
But given
Can you clarify:- Is Anglin just trolling here or do you agree that

If you can identify a group of people who you believe are harmful to your society, then yes, it's logical to take action to remedy that situation.

AnGaelach

130Kph wrote: »

Can you clarify:- Is Anglin just trolling here or do you agree that

The Daily Stormer is a mock version of the Daily Beast. It's not supposed to be reputable, the views are satirical.

Or at least I hope so.

ancapailldorcha

Widdershins wrote: »

I suppose you can't respond if this isn't something you've previously considered. The ''irish men need feminism'' or Louise O'Neill threads thoroughly cover the idea.

This is not acceptable for this forum. You made the claim. The onus is therefore on you to substantiate it.

130Kph

frostyjacks wrote: »

If you can identify a group of people who you believe are harmful to your society, then yes, it's logical to take action to remedy that situation.

So Hitler had the right target – he just went a little too far?

Or was what he did approximately the right thing?

AnGaelach wrote: »

The Daily Stormer is a mock version of the Daily Beast. It's not supposed to be reputable, the views are satirical.
Or at least I hope so.

Well, it appears some people believe it is a news source.

Widdershins

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

This is not acceptable for this forum. You made the claim. The onus is therefore on you to substantiate it.

It was an off the cuff remark. An opinion.

ancapailldorcha

Widdershins wrote: »

It was an off the cuff remark. An opinion.

No, it wasn't. Here is the original post:

Widdershins wrote: »

Lots of division and strife. Victim fetishisation instead of actual progress toward a more accepting society.

Do not discuss mod warnings on thread. Use the PM function.

InTheTrees

Widdershins wrote: »

'SJWs' could encompass a number of people with a number of different causes. I am thinking specifically of self styled feminist campaigners.

Yeah right, we get that. On and on with the fear of feminists.

Its about the only ideology the alt right can really agree on isnt it?

Widdershins

InTheTrees wrote: »

Yeah right, we get that. On and on with the fear of feminists.

Its about the only ideology the alt right can really agree on isnt it?

Actually, I said I didn't want to turn this thread into another thread about feminists-I've hardly gone ''on and on''.

I couldn't say what the alt right think. I'm not ''alt right''. Someone who is already offered to discuss their philosophy but they were deemed to be a troll.

For me personally I don't quite understand how I could fear feminists when I am a feminist. I spoke of a new type of feminism that I believe is divisive and I think it comes under the heading of ''SJWs''. There are different types of feminism.

Doesn't this make YOU the one with the fear of feminists?

Professor Moriarty

InTheTrees wrote: »

Yeah right, we get that. On and on with the fear of feminists.

Its about the only ideology the alt right can really agree on isnt it?

They seem to broadly agree on other issues such as race and the environment. And The Donald, of course.

oscarBravo

Widdershins wrote: »

Sometimes when people campaign for the rights of one group, they do so in a way that alienates people who aren't in that group.

Well, yes - particularly those people with a vested interest in making sure the group doesn't get those rights. The shorthand for what you just described is "privilege", which is a word that many people - by an astonishing coincidence, mostly people who could usefully be considered privileged - would rather roll their eyes at and dismiss out of hand than actually stop and think about.

Widdershins

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well, yes - particularly those people with a vested interest in making sure the group doesn't get those rights. The shorthand for what you just described is "privilege", which is a word that many people - by an astonishing coincidence, mostly people who could usefully be considered privileged - would rather roll their eyes at and dismiss out of hand than actually stop and think about.

Actually it alienates people on the same 'side' too. People with the same goals but a difference of opinion about how to achieve them. E.G Other feminists!

And this is precisely why I didn't press the opinion but admitted that it's not an easy one to explain in a quick reply-it's the kind of statement that necessitates prologed exchanges and inevitably takes the thread away from the original topic.

AnGaelach

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well, yes - particularly those people with a vested interest in making sure the group doesn't get those rights. The shorthand for what you just described is "privilege", which is a word that many people - by an astonishing coincidence, mostly people who could usefully be considered privileged - would rather roll their eyes at and dismiss out of hand than actually stop and think about.

"Stop and think about" something that is a made up guilt trip by pseudo-intellectuals? No thanks.

I grew up working class with an alcoholic father and now I do well for myself. The absolute audacity of some people to say I only made it to study law was because of my skin tone, and not my hard work, is absolutely infuriating. I will never take it seriously when someone brings it up, because they have no idea what it is to be me, but are going on their overwhelmingly upper middle class sheltered life lessons.

marienbad

AnGaelach wrote: »

"Stop and think about" something that is a made up guilt trip by pseudo-intellectuals? No thanks.

I grew up working class with an alcoholic father and now I do well for myself. The absolute audacity of some people to say I only made it to study law was because of my skin tone, and not my hard work, is absolutely infuriating. I will never take it seriously when someone brings it up, because they have no idea what it is to be me, but are going on their overwhelmingly upper middle class sheltered life lessons.

You take offence at others assuming 'what it is to be you '' in a post full of assumptions of what it is to be others !

Sand

marienbad wrote: »

You take offence at others assuming 'what it is to be you '' in a post full of assumptions of what it is to be others !

In fairness, that person is explaining their reaction to what others say about them and their situation. Its not an assumption.

AnGaelach

marienbad wrote: »

You take offence at others assuming 'what it is to be you '' in a post full of assumptions of what it is to be others !

Find me a working class person who believes in white privilege and I'll find you a unicorn

PopePalpatine

130Kph wrote: »

So Hitler had the right target – he just went a little too far?

Or was what he did approximately the right thing?

Ah shure we'll just ship them off to Madagascar.

Funnily enough, one alt-right drive-by poster claimed that the average Jewish IQ was a couple of standard deviations above that of white people. Shouldn't it thus follow under their worldview that the Jews deserve to be the "master race" of humanity?

InTheTrees

AnGaelach wrote: »

I grew up working class with an alcoholic father and now I do well for myself. The absolute audacity of some people to say I only made it to study law was because of my skin tone, and not my hard work, is absolutely infuriating. I will never take it seriously when someone brings it up, because they have no idea what it is to be me, but are going on their overwhelmingly upper middle class sheltered life lessons.

You're being a buttercup. You see how the other side can rile you up?

:pac:

AnGaelach

InTheTrees wrote: »

You're being a buttercup. You see how the other side can rile you up?

:pac:

It's like how the song goes:

Why do you build me up, build me buttercup, just for me to blame you for only getting the construction contract for being white?

K-9

frostyjacks wrote: »

This guide should help with your understanding.

http://www.dailystormer.com/a-normies-guide-to-the-alt-right/

Mod:

Stop linking to Neo Nazi type sites thanks.

marienbad

AnGaelach wrote: »

Find me a working class person who believes in white privilege and I'll find you a unicorn

Came from a working class estate myself and lots of people from the same background recognise and believe in 'white privilege' and in particular 'male white privelidge'

I can give you a few examples if you like , or would you prefer to wallow in your 'pulled myself up by the bootstraps fable ' as you search for those unicorns .

Brian?

AnGaelach wrote: »

Find me a working class person who believes in white privilege and I'll find you a unicorn

Hello, nice to meet you. Where's my unicorn?

Brian?

Widdershins wrote: »

Actually it alienates people on the same 'side' too. People with the same goals but a difference of opinion about how to achieve them. E.G Other feminists!

And this is precisely why I didn't press the opinion but admitted that it's not an easy one to explain in a quick reply-it's the kind of statement that necessitates prologed exchanges and inevitably takes the thread away from the original topic.

So SJWs are militant feminists? Does that answer my question about the mess they made?

AnGaelach

Brian? wrote: »

Hello, nice to meet you. Where's my unicorn?

marienbad wrote: »

Came from a working class estate myself and lots of people from the same background recognise and believe in 'white privilege' and in particular 'male white privelidge'

I can give you a few examples if you like , or would you prefer to wallow in your 'pulled myself up by the bootstraps fable ' as you search for those unicorns .

Looks like I've found two unicorns. That one has got to be down to my privilege.

Sand

Brian? wrote: »

So SJWs are militant feminists? Does that answer my question about the mess they made?

The definition of SJW is below:

Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle.

The SJW's favorite activity of all is to dogpile. Their favorite websites to frequent are Livejournal and Tumblr. They do not have relevant favorite real-world places, because SJWs are primarily civil rights activists only online.

The mess they created is the alt-right. No action without an equal and opposite reaction.

Count Dooku

marienbad wrote: »

Are you saying we haven't made progress towards a more accepting society ?

Apart from changes to legislation, I can see only rise of far rights

oscarBravo

AnGaelach wrote: »

"Stop and think about" something that is a made up guilt trip by pseudo-intellectuals? No thanks.

That'll be the eye-rolling and dismissal I was talking about.

I grew up working class with an alcoholic father and now I do well for myself. The absolute audacity of some people to say I only made it to study law was because of my skin tone, and not my hard work, is absolutely infuriating. I will never take it seriously when someone brings it up, because they have no idea what it is to be me, but are going on their overwhelmingly upper middle class sheltered life lessons.

I grew up working class poor, never went to college, and now I own a thriving business. I didn't say your success is down to your skin colour, so it's just as bloody infuriating for me when I mention privilege to have someone yell at me that privilege doesn't exist because they worked hard for what they have. It's like saying fish don't exist because apples grow on trees - it's a complete non-response to the issue.

Billy86

frostyjacks wrote: »

If you can identify a group of people who you believe are harmful to your society, then yes, it's logical to take action to remedy that situation.

Surely there are other ways to deal with those you disagree with, or would you say they've already been tried and this is simply just the Final Solution?

Brian?

Sand wrote: »

The definition of SJW is below:

Source? Who's definition?

I don't really think the social justice warrior is real thing. It's a label used to dismiss people's point of view without having to apply an critical thinking.

The mess they created is the alt-right. No action without an equal and opposite reaction.

It's not an equal and opposite reaction. It's an overreaction to a problem that doesn't exist.