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midnight city

There are two sides responsible for this whole mess in whitefish. Spencer on one side and the 2 rabbi's and Gersh of Love not hate (or whatever bulls**t name they use) on the other. Gersh bringing Spencer's mother into the dispute and trying to profit really escalated things. Money should not have been part of it. It showed a lack of principle and integrity on Gersh's part trying to turn a buck.

Amazingfun

Spencer did nothing wrong, why blame him for Gersh's extortion racket?

midnight city

Amazingfun wrote: »

Spencer did nothing wrong, why blame him for Gersh's extortion racket?

You are right in a way. All he really did was run his org from whitefish. Many locals didn't like that as it was a tourist town. Gersh, the rabbi's and hate lives here group are the majority to blame.

AnGaelach

Amazingfun wrote: »

Spencer did nothing wrong, why blame him for Gersh's extortion racket?

If there is one thing Spencer is definitely guilty of, it is stupidity.

B_Wayne

Amazingfun wrote: »

Spencer did nothing wrong, why blame him for Gersh's extortion racket?

This is direct from NPI's site. I'm lost on how you could claim Spencer isn't a white supremacist based on the content of the site. You have provided no evidence of extortion and seem to be outraged that a town isn't happy with the local white supremacist....

This is what the Trump phenomenon is really about, and this why Trump is loathed by establishment conservatives (FOX, the GOP, the “conservative movement,” et al.) and why he appeals—on an instinctive, unconscious level—to White Americans. White Americans recognize (again, in an instinctive, unarticulated way) that taxes and budgets are meaningless in the face of White dispossession

Clearly the town is less concerned about "White dispossession" and in fact disgusted by an individuals support of it. How can you claim that NPI aren't rebranded white supremacists?

midnight city

B_Wayne wrote: »

Clearly the town is less concerned about "White dispossession" and in fact disgusted by an individuals support of it. How can you claim that NPI aren't rebranded white supremacists?

I agree with him on that stance. It's not particularly supremacist to be concerned about white people being dispossessed. Race matters all around the globe despite what leftists tell us.

Go to China and tell them we want to bring in so many new people that you may be a minority in 30 years and see if they are happy about that. I certainly wouldn't call a Chinese man a racist or a supremacist if he wasn't particularly enamoured with that.

B_Wayne

midnight city wrote: »

I agree with him on that stance. It's not particularly supremacist to be concerned about white people being dispossessed. Race matters all around the globe despite what leftists tell us.

Go to China and tell them we want to bring in so many new people that you may be a minority in 30 years and see if they are happy about that. I certainly wouldn't call a Chinese man a racist or a supremacist if he wasn't particularly enamoured with that.

America has never been just white people. Pretty telling when an organisation is annoyed that regardless of race, we should be treated equally.

Okay, here's another example. They basically use the founding fathers as a justification for an unequal society based on race. If they are not white supremacists, why are they so hooked on white Americans being so much better? Why do they care about miscegenation?

http://www.npiamerica.org/research/category/what-the-founders-really-thought-about-race

Amazingfun

B_Wayne wrote: »

This is direct from NPI's site. I'm lost on how you could claim Spencer isn't a white supremacist based on the content of the site. You have provided no evidence of extortion and seem to be outraged that a town isn't happy with the local white supremacist....


Clearly the town is less concerned about "White dispossession" and in fact disgusted by an individuals support of it. How can you claim that NPI aren't rebranded white supremacists?

Are you unaware of demographics, or do you not care? People are not "supremacists" for wanting to maintain a White majority country, even if that is not how they would word it .
It really sickens me, so many are like that Tim Wise character, spends his life whining about "supremacists", (making good money off the back of it too, apparently) and yet lives in a 98% White neighborhood, lol. Hypocrites.

B_Wayne

Amazingfun wrote: »

Are you unaware of demographics, or do you not care? People are not "supremacists" for wanting to maintain a White majority country, even if that is not how they would word it .
It really sickens me, so many are like that Tim Wise character, spends his life whining about "supremacists", (making good money off the back of it too, apparently) and yet lives in a 98% White neighborhood, lol. Hypocrites.

Why do they seem to actively have a problem with people of different races marrying? That is a part of white supremacy.

Brian?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Are you unaware of demographics, or do you not care? People are not "supremacists" for wanting to maintain a White majority country, even if that is not how they would word it .
It really sickens me, so many are like that Tim Wise character, spends his life whining about "supremacists", (making good money off the back of it too, apparently) and yet lives in a 98% White neighborhood, lol. Hypocrites.

Are you going to define the "white race" at any point?

I live in a majority "white" neighborhood and believe in multiculturalism. Am I a hypocrite for being born in an ethnically homogeneous country?

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

I live in a majority "white" neighborhood and believe in multiculturalism. Am I a hypocrite for being born in an ethnically homogeneous country?

Have you any experience of living in a multicultural or multiracial area. One where white people are outnumbered.

B_Wayne

midnight city wrote: »

Have you any experience of living in a multicultural or multiracial area. One where white people are outnumbered.

Yes I have and I work people from entirely different cultural backgrounds, guess what? It was fine, the sky didn't fall in and I wasn't contemplating being white constantly as you seem to. Also you seem to have ignored that 'research' paper of the white supremacists that I linked to...

midnight city

B_Wayne wrote: »

Yes I have and I work people from entirely different cultural backgrounds, guess what? It was fine, the sky didn't fall in and I wasn't contemplating being white constantly as you seem to. Also you seem to have ignored that 'research' paper of the white supremacists that I linked to...

Good for you, there are many people who don't fancy being a minority and they are perfectly entitled to that view.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

Good for you, there are many people who don't fancy being a minority and they are perfectly entitled to that view.

Just not to enforce it .

midnight city

marienbad wrote: »

Just not to enforce it .

Its the other side that have a penchant for enforcement.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

Its the other side that have a penchant for enforcement.

How so ?

midnight city

marienbad wrote: »

Just not to enforce it .

Enforce it how?

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

Have you any experience of living in a multicultural or multiracial area. One where white people are outnumbered.

I have indeed. What of it?


I don't identify with other "white" people anyway. Culturally, I'm Irish. I am not sure why I would have a common cultural heritage with someone from Norway or Belarus.

I want someone who believes in white nationalism to actually define what "white" is for a start. The concept is fairly abstract from what I can figure out.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

Enforce it how?

gerrymandering for one , disenfranchisement for another .

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

Its the other side that have a penchant for enforcement.

What other sides? Are all the white people on one side and all others on another side? Or is it pro/anti multiculturalism?

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

I don't identify with other "white" people anyway. Culturally, I'm Irish. I am not sure why I would have a common cultural heritage with someone from Norway or Belarus.

You may start to if you lived in an area and were attacked for being white. Or if you lived in an area like Detroit or Baltimore. The future is going to be full of Detroit's and Molenbeek's and Tower Hamlet's and Malmo's. You may also become more aware of being white if your kids missed out on a place in their preferred university due to affirmative action.

Other races and groups are acutely aware of their identity, its only naive white people who think it doesn't matter. Anyone who thinks its all going to work out perfectly has no vision.

Btw you don't have to be a raging supremacist just have a think about your identity in a world where identity matters and is growing.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

You may start to if you lived in an area and were attacked for being white. Or if you lived in an area like Detroit or Baltimore. The future is going to be full of Detroit's and Molenbeek's and Tower Hamlet's and Malmo's. You may also become more aware of being white if your kids missed out on a place in their preferred university due to affirmative action.

Other races and groups are acutely aware of their identity, its only naive white people who think it doesn't matter. Anyone who thinks its all going to work out perfectly has no vision.

Btw you don't have to be a raging supremacist just have a think about your identity in a world where identity matters and is growing.

Why is there a Detroit ,Molenbeek or Tower Hamlets ? Surly that is the first question we should be asking .

Affirmative action is addressing the very issue you find offensive - a kid get a university place over someone more deserving - it seems it was ok for decades but suddenly it is a problem when it is not your kid getting a leg up.

And another bit of news for you - anyone believes that this crowd includes Irish Catholic Micks or those wop Italians for any reason other than they need the numbers , then you have another think coming .

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

You may start to if you lived in an area and were attacked for being white. Or if you lived in an area like Detroit or Baltimore. The future is going to be full of Detroit's and Molenbeek's and Tower Hamlet's and Malmo's. You may also become more aware of being white if your kids missed out on a place in their preferred university due to affirmative action.

Other races and groups are acutely aware of their identity, its only naive white people who think it doesn't matter. Anyone who thinks its all going to work out perfectly has no vision.

Btw you don't have to be a raging supremacist just have a think about your identity in a world where identity matters and is growing.

You're repeatedly dodging my question. Define "white".

Amazingfun

Brian? wrote: »

Are you going to define the "white race" at any point?

I live in a majority "white" neighborhood and believe in multiculturalism. Am I a hypocrite for being born in an ethnically homogeneous country?

I don't have to define anything to/for you.

Where do you live? In Ireland? I know you are a fan of the multi-cult, or have you forgotten we've been down this road before?

Brian?

Amazingfun wrote: »

I don't have to define anything to/for you.

You don't have to, but it would help us both out. You continually refer to "white" culture. Either define what it actually means or stop using it.

Where do you live? In Ireland? I know you are a fan of the multi-cult, or have you forgotten we've been down this road before?

I live in Ireland at the moment. Why does this matter?

Amazingfun

Brian? wrote: »

You don't have to, but it would help us both out. You continually refer to "white" culture. Either define what it actually means or stop using it.

I live in Ireland at the moment. Why does this matter?

Interesting, those who attack Whites seem to have no problem identifying them. Not sure why you're so challenged.

I am curious about your location because you made a very weird statement: you choose to live in a White environ, but "believe" in multiculturalism. Like a faith of sorts, perhaps, because you could make your dream a reality by moving to a minority White locale. If you could manage to identify such people, of course.

Brian?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Interesting, those who attack Whites seem to have no problem identifying them. Not sure why you're so challenged.

I would like to know your definition as you self identify with a group. I want to know what that grouping is, how is it defined, who does it include and who does it not include?

I am curious about your location because you made a very weird statement: you choose to live in a White environ, but "believe" in multiculturalism. Like a faith of sorts, perhaps, because you could make your dream a reality by moving to a minority White locale. If you could manage to identify such people, of course.

I don't choose to live anywhere because of it's ethnic or cultural make up. I don't care about the cultural or ethnic make up of the area I chose to live. I moved here because of it's proximity to my work, my wife's work, it's proximity to Dublin, the public transport links etc etc. I couldn't care less about the ethnic or cultural make up of where I live, that's what believing in multiculturalism is. I have lived in ethnically and culturally diverse areas and would happily do so again, they tend to have great restaurant choices.

I don't know if I ever lived in an area where "whites" were in the minority, mainly because I am confused as to who is actually white. I have Irish friends who tan quite well and almost look hispanic, do they stop being white for the summer? I need that definition.

I can quite easily distinguish skin tone, but it doesn't matter to me in any way. It matters to you though for some reason I can't understand. You believe it binds people together somehow into a single "white culture", despite the obvious differences between the people who have roughly the same level of skin pigmentation. You are the one seeking to enforce some sort of distinction based on skin colour, not me, so that's why I am asking for you to define it.

If the "white culture" you describe goes beyond skin colour, I'd like to hear that definition instead.

Amazingfun

Race is more than skin colour. I am Irish, I am a White person, in the sense I am not a Black person, not an Asian person, etc. It's not too hard. Yes, there are "race mixed" people, some use that term, others don't, but it's not really that common, but prob will be more so as Ireland continues to bring more and more non-Whites in.

I have lived in ethnically and culturally diverse areas and would happily do so again, they tend to have great restaurant choices.

This isn't some "gotcha" game. And yet, you retreat to a meme almost in your explanation of why you "believe" in Multiculturalism, lol : think of the restaurants!

Then this:

I couldn't care less about the ethnic or cultural make up of where I live, that's what believing in multiculturalism is

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Yes, of course, like the previously cited Mr. Tim Wise, you, like him, hate "supremacists", don't care about any of this stuff, but yet you live in a White environ. I know, I know, you would LOVE to live in real diversity, it's just that .....you don't. Actions speak louder than words

Sweetemotion

Brian? wrote: »

I would like to know your definition as you self identify with a group. I want to know what that grouping is, how is it defined, who does it include and who does it not include?



I don't choose to live anywhere because of it's ethnic or cultural make up. I don't care about the cultural or ethnic make up of the area I chose to live. I moved here because of it's proximity to my work, my wife's work, it's proximity to Dublin, the public transport links etc etc. I couldn't care less about the ethnic or cultural make up of where I live, that's what believing in multiculturalism is. I have lived in ethnically and culturally diverse areas and would happily do so again, they tend to have great restaurant choices.

I don't know if I ever lived in an area where "whites" were in the minority, mainly because I am confused as to who is actually white. I have Irish friends who tan quite well and almost look hispanic, do they stop being white for the summer? I need that definition.

I can quite easily distinguish skin tone, but it doesn't matter to me in any way. It matters to you though for some reason I can't understand. You believe it binds people together somehow into a single "white culture", despite the obvious differences between the people who have roughly the same level of skin pigmentation. You are the one seeking to enforce some sort of distinction based on skin colour, not me, so that's why I am asking for you to define it.

If the "white culture" you describe goes beyond skin colour, I'd like to hear that definition instead.

Bet you don't live in a halting site.

Brian?

Amazingfun wrote: »

Race is more than skin colour. I am Irish, I am a White person, in the sense I am not a Black person, not an Asian person, etc. It's not too hard. Yes, there are "race mixed" people, some use that term, others don't, but it's not really that common, but prob will be more so as Ireland continues to bring more and more non-Whites in.

And yet you still won't define what you mean by white. Who do you include in your definition of white? When do people become too brown to be white? The French? The Italians? Greeks? Spanish???? Who??????

This isn't some "gotcha" game. And yet, you retreat to a meme almost in your explanation of why you "believe" in Multiculturalism, lol : think of the restaurants!

You say it's not a "gotcha game" and then do this below, it's ridiculous carry on.

Then this:

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Yes, of course, like the previously cited Mr. Tim Wise, you, like him, hate "supremacists", don't care about any of this stuff, but yet you live in a White environ. I know, I know, you would LOVE to live in real diversity, it's just that .....you don't. Actions speak louder than words

You really don't get it all do you. I DON'T CARE about the ethnic or cultural make up of the area I live in. It just happens that the majority of people who my area are Irish, so what?

Amazingfun

lol, I get "it" all right

Happy New Year Brian :-)

Brian?

Amazingfun wrote: »

lol, I get "it" all right

Happy New Year Brian :-)

So you're not going to engage on any meaningful level then?

Sweetemotion

Brian? wrote: »

And yet you still won't define what you mean by white. Who do you include in your definition of white? When do people become too brown to be white? The French? The Italians? Greeks? Spanish???? Who??????

All of them are white. If I got a suntan could I say I was Chinese?

Your argument is both silly and stupid and worse still. YOU KNOW IT IS.

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

So you're not going to engage on any meaningful level then?

Care to justify open borders? Are there any limits?

Billy86

midnight city wrote: »

Care to justify open borders? Are there any limits?

Has this poster mentioned open borders?

To answer your question put to a few posters from earlier, I spent much of the last two years living in Toronto (49.1% visible minorities and rising, 51% not born in Canada and if I recall about 75% first-or-second generation immigrants), in a white minority area and loved the place. It is routinely in most 'safest cities in the world' indexes as well as those for quality of life and I plan on moving back there on a more long term basis later in the year because of it.

Billy86

Sweetemotion wrote: »

All of them are white. If I got a suntan could I say I was Chinese?

Your argument is both silly and stupid and worse still. YOU KNOW IT IS.

So would that mean Zinedine Zidane is white?

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/25/1403692985606/Zinedine-Zidane-014.jpg

Brian?

Sweetemotion wrote: »

All of them are white. If I got a suntan could I say I was Chinese?

Your argument is both silly and stupid and worse still. YOU KNOW IT IS.

You realise a lot of white nationalists don't consider Italians etc white? The term "white" is so loose it's meaningless.

I'm looking for their definition.

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

Care to justify open borders? Are there any limits?

Care to define the " white" race and white nationalism. If I get that I'll move on.

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

You realise a lot of white nationalists don't consider Italians etc white? The term "white" is so loose it's meaningless.

I'm looking for their definition.

You could Google it

midnight city

Billy86 wrote: »

Has this poster mentioned open borders?

To answer your question put to a few posters from earlier, I spent much of the last two years living in Toronto (49.1% visible minorities and rising, 51% not born in Canada and if I recall about 75% first-or-second generation immigrants), in a white minority area and loved the place. It is routinely in most 'safest cities in the world' indexes as well as those for quality of life and I plan on moving back there on a more long term basis later in the year because of it.

I'm not close minded on these matters. If it works then great. I'm a little sceptical it will work out as well in Germany and much of Europe where Islamic immigration dominates rather than a truly mixed society.

I'm on record here as saying Galway is an example of where immigration is working well. Molenbeek and Malmö not so much. Then again if people demonstrate to me that it works I'll reassess my position.

It's the way things are heading whether people like it or not. I'd rather it was done more slowly and thet we weren't afraid to specify who we'd prefer to come. Some integrate better than others.

Sweetemotion

Brian? wrote: »

You realise a lot of white nationalists don't consider Italians etc white? The term "white" is so loose it's meaningless.

I'm looking for their definition.

They can think what they want.

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

You could Google it

I can google it and get a million different answers. So you or anyone who believes in white identity are simply not going to answer?

Brian?

Sweetemotion wrote: »

They can think what they want.

Ahh right. We can all just stop the debate and go off happy then?

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

I can google it and get a million different answers. So you or anyone who believes in white identity are simply not going to answer?

You've already stated you don't think race exists. So why waste time giving you a definition of whiteness when it will only result in a series of to and fro's only to end up exactly where we started.

The sjw's know who they mean when they bang on about white privilege and the likes of Spencer know who they mean when they talk of an ethnostate. Most people around the world will know what is meant by white.

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

You've already stated you don't think race exists. So why waste time giving you a definition of whiteness when it will only result in a series of to and fro's only to end up exactly where we started.

The sjw's know who they mean when they bang on about white privilege and the likes of Spencer know who they mean when they talk of an ethnostate. Most people around the world will know what is meant by white.

You're right. Let's give up. You can't define what being white means, because it'll be taken to pieces yet again.

midnight city

Brian? wrote: »

You're right. Let's give up. You can't define what being white means, because it'll be taken to pieces yet again.

If I was to show you photos of people from around the world and ask you to correctly identify their race. And if you got them all right give you 10,000 you'd be ryming them off to beat the band. We all have a working definition of race. It's not airtight but its practical. The medical world understand it as they know medicine can effect races differently.

Brian?

midnight city wrote: »

If I was to show you photos of people from around the world and ask you to correctly identify their race. And if you got them all right give you 10,000 you'd be ryming them off to beat the band. We all have a working definition of race. It's not airtight but its practical. The medical world understand it as they know medicine can effect races differently.

What has this got to do with white nationalism? I want to know their definition of white as it's so important to them.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

You've already stated you don't think race exists. So why waste time giving you a definition of whiteness when it will only result in a series of to and fro's only to end up exactly where we started.

The sjw's know who they mean when they bang on about white privilege and the likes of Spencer know who they mean when they talk of an ethnostate. Most people around the world will know what is meant by white.

Surely midnight in any conversation it is reasonable to ask what a person means when they use a particular expression . Otherwise the conversation founders .

We may all have a generalised understanding race/European/Asian/white/colour etc but for the proposes of this specific conversation about the alt right white takes on a very specific set of ideas . It is only reasonable to ask you what are your definitions of those ideas and do you stand over them .

If that then opens you to the charge of racism etc so what ? If you believe them then they should be worth defending .Otherwise why are you on here ?

Tony EH

midnight city wrote: »

Most people around the world will know what is meant by white.

What do you think that is?

If you make a statement like this, have the balls to elaborate.

marienbad

midnight city wrote: »

I have provided enough info in my posts if you read them.

Come on midnight - what is this evasion all about ? I have read all your posts and it is all hints and stop but be at me coyness like a teenager on a first date .

If you believe in a white supremacy theory of some sort ( or any variation thereof ) then spell it out and lets discuss it.

It is not Chrismas Eve anymore so lets stop with the charades .