The alt right - Mod Warning in OP

demfad

Apologies if posted already:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/heres-how-breitbart-and-milo-smuggled-white-nationalism?utm_term=.fpB3OA93w#.srZaVKZa4

Exposed how Alt-right and Nazi propaganda from the likes of Stormfront was laundered through Breitbart often via Milo articles under the direction of Bannon and his boss Breitbart owner Rebekah Mercer.

The Mercers were the backers of Trump and their companies Cambridge Analytica,Breitbart,Gatway pundit were also heavily involved in Brexit and other elections. Mercer controls a vast network that amplifies news across the internet achieving top hits on search engines and getting alt-right leaning articles into the mainstream.

This article exposes how alt-right ideas are laundered and amplified in the mainstream and that there is nothing organic in its rise rather the manipulation of a family of billionaires.

My own guess is also that the language of the alt-right (cuck, snowflake etc) and their arguments are carefully and strategically chosen by this group for propaganda purposes.

hatrickpatrick

Pretty clever campaign by alt-right supporters on 4chan - printing out plain sheers of paper with the text "It's okay to be white" written on them in plain font, no logos or embellishments, and putting them up around towns and college campuses, in an attempt to provoke SJW meltdowns.

Predictably, this entirely innocuous statement has led to everything from news articles describing it as "racist" to actual police investigations. Mission roundly accomplished.

If anyone wanted to know why the alt-right might find it easy to recruit young people, this is your answer. Identity politics and the enforcement of a sort of "if you're white, you must feel ashamed about it" ideology particularly in college spaces have gone off the deep end, and based on what I've heard from friends who are in college in the states, it's become an absolutely toxic environment in many cases.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - from a committed leftist, I'd personally like to thank these extremist identity politics muppets calling themselves leftists for making it ridiculously easy for the alt-right to sway young people who have developed a legitimate resentment against being attacked for their demographic identity. In Ireland, it's more centred around man-shaming from the likes of Una Mullally and Louise O'Neill, but it would seem that among young liberals in the states, "white guilt" is the mainstay of identity politics and is causing many people who would probably otherwise sympathise with the left in terms of economic policy and permissive societal liberalism to align themselves with the alt-right.

Thanks a whole bunch, ye muppets.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/11/03/its-okay-to-be-white-signs-and-stickers-appear-on-campuses-and-streets-across-the-country/?utm_term=.817abc574e00

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/11/01/stickers-saying-okay-white-posted-cambridge/IQrDmpt2zisM4Ka5nbOgHK/story.html

WinnyThePoo

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Predictably, this entirely innocuous statement has led to everything from news articles describing it as "racist" to actual police investigations. Mission roundly accomplished.

It's not innocuous though is it. It's a clear message. Anyone with a brain knows it's alright to white. it's alright to be black . It's alright to be even orange.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

If anyone wanted to know why the alt-right might find it easy to recruit young people, this is your answer. Identity politics and the enforcement of a sort of "if you're white, you must feel ashamed about it" ideology particularly in college spaces have gone off the deep end, and based on what I've heard from friends who are in college in the states, it's become an absolutely toxic environment in many cases.

I have friends in college in America too. Who say the complete opposite. It's as widespread as your youtube searches. anyway here's a portion of the washington post article

In the period just after the 2016 election, investigators with the Southern Poverty Law Center documented a surge in posters and recruitment activity by white-nationalist organizations on 150 college and university campuses. White nationalist organizations regard colleges as spaces where millions of young Americans, without their intervention, will be inculcated with the ideas of valuing diversity, seeking and creating inclusion and equity, the investigators found. And, on campus, white-nationalist groups have made every effort to counter that with well-dressed, tech-savvy and articulate spokesmen who recast equality and cultural sensitivity as a damaging loss for white Americans.

How do you deal with these deplorables ? Hold your hands over your ears.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it - from a committed leftist, I'd personally like to thank these extremist identity politics muppets calling themselves leftists for making it ridiculously easy for the alt-right to sway young people who have developed a legitimate resentment against being attacked for their demographic identity. In Ireland, it's more centred around man-shaming from the likes of Una Mullally and Louise O'Neill, but it would seem that among young liberals in the states, "white guilt" is the mainstay of identity politics and is causing many people who would probably otherwise sympathise with the left in terms of economic policy and permissive societal liberalism to align themselves with the alt-right.

You completely over step the influence of O'Neil and Mullaly. If its you clicking on their articles, getting angry and frustrated . That's you doing that. We deal with right wing columnists , we deal with centre columnists and we deal with leftist columnists. Most people know how to process the information and know whats croc and not.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Thanks a whole bunch, ye muppets.

Your a committed leftist? and your complaining about people reacting to the alt right?...

Well i say Bravo to people who will stand against rascism. Bravo to them. The muppets are the alt right.

Passivism can go jump in a well.

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Well i say Bravo to people who will stand against rascism.

Is that not what the alt right are doing?

WinnyThePoo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Is that not what the alt right are doing?

Really?

Your really asking that question?

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

Really?

Your really asking that question?

You've just proved my point.

ancapailldorcha

Raise the standard of posting please.

Obvious Otter

demfad wrote: »

Antifa are not who you believe them to be:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/fake-antifa-twitter-accounts?utm_term=.tbjRwM5R4#.obE3e9a3X

The majority of protestors don't identify as antifa.

It is rightwingers who call them this to exagerate the political violence:

Here is more:

https://twitter.com/conspirator0/status/913588459847208961

Remember political violence does not just mean physical violence: it can mean using political power to hurt people. Almost all the political violence is being carried out by the US State now, with help from minions in the far-right.

Buzzfeed is an unreliable source of information. Do you have a better source? There have been plenty of actual AntiFa protesters who have been arrested for causing violence. I’m not doubting that the majority of protesters aren’t AntiFa.

Noel82

Obvious Otter wrote: »

Do you have a better source?

The FBI and DHS have classified them a domestic terrorist group since 2016.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO."

"Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

PopePalpatine

So if the over-shrillness of the "regressive left" pushes people to the alt-right, surely it can go the other way around? I wonder how many women or non-whites/"people of colour" were pushed towards the "regressive left" because they were fed up of putting up with some basement-dweller screaming racial slurs at them in their online game of choice or bombarding them with rape porn with their faces photoshopped in.

20Cent

Noel82 wrote: »

The FBI and DHS have classified them a domestic terrorist group since 2016.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/01/antifa-charlottesville-violence-fbi-242235

"Federal authorities have been warning state and local officials since early 2016 that leftist extremists known as “antifa” had become increasingly confrontational and dangerous, so much so that the Department of Homeland Security formally classified their activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” according to interviews and confidential law enforcement documents obtained by POLITICO."

"Previously unreported documents disclose that by April 2016, authorities believed that “anarchist extremists” were the primary instigators of violence at public rallies against a range of targets. They were blamed by authorities for attacks on the police, government and political institutions, along with symbols of “the capitalist system,” racism, social injustice and fascism, according to a confidential 2016 joint intelligence assessment by DHS and the FBI."

A document calling them domestic terrorists is a very different thing to them being classified domestic terrorists. If they were classified domestic terrorists they would be arrested ffs.

Half of what people think about antifa comes from alt right trolls pretending to be them. Latest hilarious installment is the alt right working themselves up into a frenzy that antifa were due to start a civil war today. The source of the story is alt right trolls wanting to ferment trouble. Even Fox news were reporting it. Since the whole thing was a just made up nothing happened. These are the people who believe NATO wants to invade the US to take their guns or muslim/Kenyan/communist Obama was preparing internment camps for them so it is a gullible audience.

No, 'Antifa' Protesters Aren't Planning on Toppling the Government Tomorrow
http://time.com/5008829/antifa-november-4-rumors/

Noel82

Half of what people think about antifa comes from alt right trolls pretending to be them.

Got any proof of that?

Antifa and these black bloc groups are all the same to me, the fact you're making excuses for them is pretty disturbing. You're going against what the DHS/FBI viewpoint is too. What would you say if I made excuses for a White supremacist group?

20Cent

Noel82 wrote: »

Got any proof of that?

Antifa and these black bloc groups are all the same to me, the fact you're making excuses for them is pretty disturbing. You're going against what the DHS/FBI viewpoint is too. What would you say if I made excuses for a White supremacist group?

Yes.
There wasn't a civil war today.

Noel82

20Cent wrote: »

Yes.
There wasn't a civil war today.

I don't know what you're talking about.

20Cent

Noel82 wrote: »

I don't know what you're talking about.

Maybe this isn't the thread for you then.
It's been the biggest antifa story in a long time.

Noel82

20Cent wrote: »

Maybe this isn't the thread for you then.
It's been the biggest antifa story in a long time.

A document calling them domestic terrorists is a very different thing to them being classified domestic terrorists.

Think I've seen enough.

20Cent

There was a protest during the week at a Mike Cernovich talk. Some of his followers made a banner that said no pedo bashing and had nambla the pedo group on it. They held it in the crowd for a few seconds before the actual protesters realised what was going on. It was quickly pulled down and those holding it disappeared. A photo was taken and tweeted by Cernovich. The photographer explains what happened.

Mike Cernovich Stole My Photo, Lied About It On Twitter, And Sold Trump Jr. On Yet Another Fake Conspiracy
http://gothamist.com/2017/10/31/mike_cernovich_stole_my_photo_lied.php#photo-1



Another person on twitter with a user name from the teenage ninja turtles cartoon made a joke about antifa overthrowing the trump government on November the 4th. The alt right believed it and it was even reported on Fox news.

How one Twitter joke sent the alt-right into a chaotic frenzy
https://www.indy100.com/article/alt-right-twitter-joke-antifa-protest-conspiracy-theory-donald-trump-krang-t-nelson-viral-activism-8037176

Infowars are making a fortune peddling this rubbish selling "health products" power plus brain fuel (soy).



These aren't the brightest folks we are dealing with here. Willing to believe pretty much anything. Check them out on twitter, it would be funny except some right winger driven mad by these trolls could end up hurting themselves which has happened already.

A Fake Story Tricked Trump Supporters Into Protesting For No Reason, Then One Of Them Accidentally Shot Himself
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/a-guy-accidentally-shot-himself-after-a-fake-news-story?utm_term=.roogMnGz6L#.jaa1PDz9b0


Or killing someone again like happened in Charlottesville.

Brian?

Sweetemotion wrote: »

Is that not what the alt right are doing?

You think he alt-right are standing against racism? Do tell.

WinnyThePoo

Brian? wrote: »

You think he alt-right are standing against racism? Do tell.

I dont think the poster has it in him/her to answer. Just like when they bring up antifa. They don't want to talk about about the alt right on an alt right thread. Theie ashamed of themselves.

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I dont think the poster has it in him/her to answer. Just like when they bring up antifa. They don't want to talk about about the alt right on an alt right thread. Theie ashamed of themselves.

I'm not ashamed of myself thank you very much.

Hating white is the big thing in America now. Why should white people be made feel guilty for what they where born?

WinnyThePoo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

I'm not ashamed of myself thank you very much.

Hating white is the big thing in America now. Why should white people be made feel guilty for what they where born?

I'll refer to brians question. Which you've ignored.

You think the alt right are against racism? Do tell.

Sweetemotion

WinnyThePoo wrote: »

I'll refer to brians question. Which you've ignored.

You think the alt right are against racism? Do tell.

By fighting against the racism of the white race.

Racism is rascim doesn't matter what colour you are.

PopePalpatine

Sweetemotion wrote: »

By fighting against the racism of the white race.

Racism is rascim doesn't matter what colour you are.

Screw it, I'll bite - there's a reason why firefighters don't use flamethrowers, or why bomb squads don't use bombs.

Sweetemotion

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Screw it, I'll bite - there's a reason why firefighters don't use flamethrowers, or why bomb squads don't use bombs.

You aren't born a firefighter or a member of the bomb squad.

oscarBravo

Sweetemotion wrote: »

By fighting against the racism of the white race.

You're not expressing yourself very clearly, but I'll infer from context that you're complaining about racism towards white people.

That's not what the alt-right is about. I don't think anyone who's capable of tying their shoes without pictorial instructions genuinely believes that that's what it's about, which leaves me wondering why anyone would go to the effort of pretending that that's what it's about.

This idea of the white man as the greatest victim of oppression in history isn't just absurd, it's pathetic.

PopePalpatine

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're here to discuss the thread subject in good faith.

The point I was trying to make is that you don't fight racism with more racism, which you'd expect from a movement which is barely more than tech-savvy Nazism.

Sweetemotion

oscarBravo wrote: »

You're not expressing yourself very clearly, but I'll infer from context that you're complaining about racism towards white people.

That's not what the alt-right is about. I don't think anyone who's capable of tying their shoes without pictorial instructions genuinely believes that that's what it's about, which leaves me wondering why anyone would go to the effort of pretending that that's what it's about.

This idea of the white man as the greatest victim of oppression in history isn't just absurd, it's pathetic.

This talking to people with a different opinion like they are children or less than you is the reason why Trump got elected

Poor people are the greatest oppression of history, always have been and always will be.

This media biase of blaming everything on the white man is doing no good for anyone.

You have an angry poor black man thinking it's all the white man's fault and you have an angry poor white man thinking why are they blaming me.

Sweetemotion

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're here to discuss the thread subject in good faith.

The point I was trying to make is that you don't fight racism with more racism, which you'd expect from a movement which is barely more than tech-savvy Nazism.

The media is fighting racism with racism.

pitifulgod

Given what you have previously said in relation to a terror attack that involved a white nationalist in Charlottesville, I'm inclined to not take you very seriously. White people are not subject to racism on a daily basis because they are white... This is a fact. Pretty simple really.

Sweetemotion

pitifulgod wrote: »

Given what you have previously said in relation to a terror attack that involved a white nationalist in Charlottesville, I'm inclined to not take you very seriously. White people are not subject to racism on a daily basis because they are white... This is a fact. Pretty simple really.

They are subjected to rascim ever day by the MSM.

Just look at that it's OK to be white media.

About the Charlottesville incident. I don't believe she was hit by the car and asked for evidence there is no video of Heather getting hit by the car.