Shops to hide alcohol from view

Tomk1

Most shops, alcohol is in a separate area. Tesco Supavalue you dont wander into the alcohol section unless you intend to buy. It has always been that way. Spar/Centra has alcohol section that can be closed off.

But Aldi/Lidl have alcohol near household products.
I saw a kid looking at wine/spirits in Lidl prob thought it was lemonade or maybe for cooking.
During prohibited hours Irish shops have the alcohol-area closed off. Aldi/Lidl doesn't which could be kindof infringing the law. Even though you cant purchase, the products are on display to sell. Under the law those areas should be off limit.
Maybe clarify/enforce the current law, no need for a TDs song & dance show.

If your trying to cut down on alcohol, its easy to avoid the alcohol section in Tesco.

pilly

Tomk1 wrote: »

Most shops, alcohol is in a separate area. Tesco Supavalue you dont wander into the alcohol section unless you intend to buy. It has always been that way. Spar/Centra has alcohol section that can be closed off.

But Aldi/Lidl have alcohol near household products.
I saw a kid looking at wine/spirits in Lidl prob thought it was lemonade or maybe for cooking.
During prohibited hours Irish shops have the alcohol-area closed off. Aldi/Lidl doesn't which could be kindof infringing the law. Even though you cant purchase, the products are on display to sell. Under the law those areas should be off limit.
Maybe clarify/enforce the current law, no need for a TDs song & dance show.

If your trying to cut down on alcohol, its easy to avoid the alcohol section in Tesco.

Not necessarily at times like Christmas when they place crates of it at the door on special offers Tom.

inforfun

durtybit wrote: »

Mineral lanes are next, before you know it the whole shop will have exterior curtains

Fantastic.
Gives every shop that "dodgy Dutch sex shop/peep show from the 80's" atmosphere.

Didas

They can bring all the idiotic measures they want to try and help their friends in the Vinters association, it doesn't matter. Irelands drinking culture has changed. Young people have no desire to drink in outdated pubs, they want to drink at home where they can control the music and have a few without spending half a weeks wages.

As long as greedy publicans continue to charge €5 euro+ for a pint and €4+ for a shot, then people are going to opt to drink at home, and rightly so.

Cienciano

gramar wrote: »

It really is silly. One thing that makes me shake my head is when you're in a supermarket before 10.30am and the drinks aisle is cordoned off.
It looks pathetic.

It's 12:30pm on a sunday. So if you're buying the paper in the morning and want a bottle of wine for dinner? No, sorry, you must be some sort of alco to be trying to buy wine so early. Crazy.
Same with closing times. It's 10pm and you decide to buy a drink to have at home. Sorry, you have to go out to the pub.

darlett

Tomk1 wrote: »

Aldi/Lidl have alcohol near household products.
I saw a kid looking at wine/spirits in Lidl prob thought it was lemonade or maybe for cooking.

Was there anything about the kid that made you think he was particularly thick?

GreenFolder2

VinLieger wrote: »

OECD figures since 2006 show alcohol consumption falling year over year, how are we not going in the right direction when you consider price of alcohol is also cheaper? That indicates price has zero effect on consumption

There is zero evidence that minimum unit pricing will change drinking culture and this magic curtain idiocy definitely won't positively change culture either.

That may well have been the recession and mass emigration.
Similar happened with our Co2 emissions and it most certainly was nothing to do with radical new environmental policies, it was the collapse of the construction sector and reduced economic activity.

Considering we've done absolutely nothing different since 2006, I wouldn't be too self congratulatory about it.

eviltimeban

As an ex-smoker I'm glad not to be reminded of my old habit whenever I get petrol or buy milk. Can't see it working in large supermarkets though, nor would I want it to.

It's not the answer. Proper education around the potential dangers of alcohol is.

GreenFolder2

We need to change the attitudes though. What's worrying me is the use of really strong spirits to (pre drink) before going on nights out. It just seems more extreme than when I was in my college days and we mainly drank beer, not shots of cheap spirits.

It's just looking like a certain % of the population are inevitability going to see health consequences.

VinLieger

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

That may well have been the recession and mass emigration.
Similar happened with our Co2 emissions and it most certainly was nothing to do with radical new environmental policies, it was the collapse of the construction sector and reduced economic activity.

Considering we've done absolutely nothing different since 2006, I wouldn't be too self congratulatory about it.

Why do we need to have done something different to acknowledge that alcohol consumption is down across the board? You similarly can't rule out its not due to changing attitudes to alcohol naturally happening over time.

Comparing the construction sector and C02 drop to alcohol consumption dropping is a poor analogy, you have no evidence that there is any similarities between the two other than wild unfounded speculation.

VinLieger

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

It's just looking like a certain % of the population are inevitability going to see health consequences.

Why should those of us who drink responsibly be punished for others inability to do so?

ScumLord

tonygun wrote: »

They can bring all the idiotic measures they want to try and help their friends in the Vinters association, it doesn't matter. Irelands drinking culture has changed. Young people have no desire to drink in outdated pubs, they want to drink at home where they can control the music and have a few without spending half a weeks wages..

I've been around the country a bit lately and it's pretty surprising how different the weekends look in small towns. Towns that would have been hoping on a friday night are a ghost town with only the local chipper having a crowd in it.


I don't know if it's a particularly good thing, staying at home and replacing the social activity of a pub with facebook isn't exactly an improvement. I know weekends in Ireland during the boom was sometimes like a visual representation of the end of days described in the bible but if you lived in a small town everyone went out, everyone drank with everyone else, old, young, rich, poor, all came together to get hammered. There was something beautiful about that. Now everyone is paranoid of everyone else and completely intolerant of different points of view.

We need a replacement for the pub.

Didas

ScumLord wrote: »

I've been around the country a bit lately and it's pretty surprising how different the weekends look in small towns. Towns that would have been hoping on a friday night are a ghost town with only the local chipper having a crowd in it.


I don't know if it's a particularly good thing, staying at home and replacing the social activity of a pub with facebook isn't exactly an improvement. I know weekends in Ireland during the boom was sometimes like a visual representation of the end of days described in the bible but if you lived in a small town everyone went out, everyone drank with everyone else, old, young, rich, poor, all came together to get hammered. There was something beautiful about that. Now everyone is paranoid of everyone else and completely intolerant of different points of view.

We need a replacement for the pub.

Small towns and rural Ireland are dying on a larger scale than just quiet pubs, as most young people today leave small towns for Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway to go college, and are likely to work in the cities and larger towns after graduating. That's what your seeing there.

Sitting at home alone on facebook drinking all night is not what young people have replaced pubs with. They've replaced it with house parties, and drinking together in houses in smaller groups, coupled with nightclubs. These are cheaper, more convenient and appeal to young people more than standing in Paddy O'Reilly's on a Friday night, choosing between Heineken, Guinness and a bag of Tayto

CaptainR

Cienciano wrote: »

It's 12:30pm on a sunday. So if you're buying the paper in the morning and want a bottle of wine for dinner? No, sorry, you must be some sort of alco to be trying to buy wine so early. Crazy.
Same with closing times. It's 10pm and you decide to buy a drink to have at home. Sorry, you have to go out to the pub.

I was at Sea Sessions in Bundoran last year and went to buy a bottle of vodka in lidl for that night as well as food, man scans it all and takes the bottle behind the counter

"Sorry can't sell that now"

"Eh what?!"

"Its not half 12 yet sorry"

It was 12:15 on a sunday, I had to que up again in 15 minutes because yanno its the lords day. What a load of outdated sh!t. Secular country my b*llocks

Dravokivich

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

We need to change the attitudes though. What's worrying me is the use of really strong spirits to (pre drink) before going on nights out. It just seems more extreme than when I was in my college days and we mainly drank beer, not shots of cheap spirits.

It's just looking like a certain % of the population are inevitability going to see health consequences.

It's an age old argument between brewers and distillers, looking to point the finger at spirits while any issue would be the alcohol regardless of the type of drink.

GreenFolder2

VinLieger wrote: »

Why do we need to have done something different to acknowledge that alcohol consumption is down across the board? You similarly can't rule out its not due to changing attitudes to alcohol naturally happening over time.

Comparing the construction sector and C02 drop to alcohol consumption dropping is a poor analogy, you have no evidence that there is any similarities between the two other than wild unfounded speculation.

There's plenty of evidence to show a massive drop in consumer demand across the board in Ireland over that period. Everything sank.
Alcohol for most is discretionary spending, so obviously it sank with it and the demographics changed quite dramatically too as many of the people who would typically be associated with high alcohol spend i.e. early 20s types on good incomes (often construction industry associated) emigrated.

The pub sector also took a nose dive and is only recently recovering (and only in the large urban areas).

This is After Hours and I'm not writing a thesis or publishing some kind of academic paper on the topic. I am perfectly entitled to speculate!
So, no, I won't provide evidence. Use Google!

ScumLord

tonygun wrote: »

Small towns and rural Ireland are dying on a larger scale than just quiet pubs, as most young people today leave small towns for Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway to go college, and are likely to work in the cities and larger towns after graduating. That's what your seeing there.

Young people leave to go to college, or work. But I've been finding once they get to the stage of wanting kids they end up back in the small town. So small towns are ending up with a population that has a gap of 20 somethings, but while some towns are getting smaller others are growing or at the very least maintaining the population. The people are there, they just don't have the same social outlets.

Sitting at home alone on facebook drinking all night is not what young people have replaced pubs with. They've replaced it with house parties, and drinking together in houses in smaller groups, coupled with nightclubs.

Probably replaced alcohol with other drugs too. A pill is a much more economical way of getting intoxicated.

Didas

ScumLord wrote: »

Young people leave to go to college, or work. But I've been finding once they get to the stage of wanting kids they end up back in the small town. So small towns are ending up with a population that has a gap of 20 somethings, but while some towns are getting smaller others are growing or at the very least maintaining the population. The people are there, they just don't have the same social outlets.

Probably replaced alcohol with other drugs too. A pill is a much more economical way of getting intoxicated.

Not in my experience, or the experience of people I know, they haven't. What are are you basing that on?

VinLieger

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

There's plenty of evidence to show a massive drop in consumer demand across the board in Ireland over that period. Everything sank.

Not arguing that but its actually been dropping since 2002, so 6 years before the recession hit it was already dropping.

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

Alcohol for most is discretionary spending, so obviously it sank with it and the demographics changed quite dramatically too as many of the people who would typically be associated with high alcohol spend i.e. early 20s types on good incomes (often construction industry associated) emigrated.

And yet prices sank too according to the proponents for these measures so affordability of discretionary spending remained at similar levels through out the recession.

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

The pub sector also took a nose dive and is only recently recovering (and only in the large urban areas).

Could that be cus they didnt drop their prices by one cent and have in the last few years been slowly raising them again?

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

This is After Hours and I'm not writing a thesis or publishing some kind of academic paper on the topic. So, no, I won't provide evidence. Use Google!

Yeah that's not how a discussion works in after hours or anywhere else, you make a claim you then back it up with evidence, asking others to find it for you means you lost the argument

GreenFolder2

It's called not having the time to go off hunting for stats to cite on what is a light-hearted internet forum due to actually having a life!

Sorry I bothered posting now. I remember now why I gave up on this site years ago.

ScumLord

tonygun wrote: »

Not in my experience, or the experience of people I know, they haven't. What are are you basing that on?

A pill costs at most a tenner and lasts for hours. You have to drink 3 pints to even start to feel an effect.

pilly

tonygun wrote: »

Not in my experience, or the experience of people I know, they haven't. What are are you basing that on?

Huge increase in the abuse of prescription tablets over the last 3 years and a lot of it by young people. Scary thought really.

Didas

ScumLord wrote: »

A pill costs at most a tenner and lasts for hours. You have to drink 3 pints to even start to feel an effect.

And a naggin of vodka costs 7.50, you can get 8 cans for a tenner.

Pills are a very niche product. Research shows the current 18-25 generation are less likely to have used pills ansd the like than previous generations. Their price and availability have nothing to with young people rejecting outdated, overpriced pubs in their droves.

Rented Mule

Make everyday Good Friday !!

Mission accomplished!!

Carlos Orange

ScumLord wrote: »

A pill costs at most a tenner and lasts for hours. You have to drink 3 pints to even start to feel an effect.

Your drunkometer must be broken. I can fell the effect of alcohol long before 3 pints.

biko

Shoplifting will skyrocket

scopper

As a proper AA ex-drinker I can see the logic...if you were all like me.

From my perspective seeing booze everywhere is an issue and a personal battle. It'd be awesome if it was hidden. Ditto for 10pm closing time. Everyday that 10pm passes is freedom for me.

But I have no idea why the majority of my friends who would just like to be buy wine at 10.05pm or can see booze and move on should require such extreme laws. This is legislating toward the "worst" (not people, conditions, etc.)

ScumLord

I think it's another example of the government simply passing the can and avoiding any responsibility. They seem to like doing as little as possible, like with cars speeding, their solution? Put up signs to tell them to slow down.

Boozing seems to be something they can attack now under the assumption that no one will complain in case they get accused of promoting or being all for binge drinking. But I think Ireland has taken control of that aspect of our culture and it's just nowhere near as bad as it used to be. I don't think relaxing the laws is going to encourage people to go back to binge drinking either.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The flying mouse wrote: »

Really ? Sure next they be covering in pubs . If there really concerned about alcoholic abuse in this country they will start with it in the schools at a young age in trying n show the harm it can do if abused, and take some of the glamour away from it.

We were routinely subjected to alcoholic guest speakers warning us of the dangers of alcohol in sec school. The Principal would invite them in to speak to the different years.

Tbh their stories made me want to experiment with alcohol more. I wanted to know what it felt like to get loaded and do wild sh1t.

Atlantic Dawn

scopper wrote: »

As a proper AA ex-drinker I can see the logic...if you were all like me.

From my perspective seeing booze everywhere is an issue and a personal battle. It'd be awesome if it was hidden. Ditto for 10pm closing time. Everyday that 10pm passes is freedom for me.

But I have no idea why the majority of my friends who would just like to be buy wine at 10.05pm or can see booze and move on should require such extreme laws. This is legislating toward the "worst" (not people, conditions, etc.)

Should sweets and chocolates be put behind walls too so that fat people don't see them? Or maybe we just abolish shops altogether and have everything online only.

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

We were routinely subjected to alcoholic guest speakers warning us of the dangers of alcohol in sec school. The Principal would invite them in to speak to the different years.

Tbh their stories made me want to experiment with alcohol more. I wanted to know what it felt like to get loaded and do wild sh1t.

I always loved the idea of waking up on a ferry to Scotland with no idea how I got there. :pac:

Tombi!

More bollocks.
We can advertise it outside of pubs just fine though

artanevilla

BAN EVERYTHING.

ben.schlomo

artanevilla wrote: »

BAN EVERYTHING.

I say ban bans.

mzungu

Ms Corcoran Kennedy said shops would only have to “restrict visibility so that children and young people will not be attracted to alcohol”.

Well, a good place to start would be to stop the photo ops with every visiting dignitary slugging a pint of the black stuff. Also, tougher laws on alcohol advertising in sports would most likely do a hell of a lot more to combat the issue.

mzungu

ben.schlomo wrote: »

I say ban bans.

No, we need to ban the ban bans.

CaptainR

mzungu wrote: »

Well, a good place to start would be to stop the photo ops with every visiting dignitary slugging a pint of the black stuff. Also, tougher laws on alcohol advertising in sports would most likely do a hell of a lot more to combat the issue.

Well Trumps a teetotaller so there'll be none of that for the next 4 years anyway

Cork Lass

A trip to the off licence will be great fun - we'll have to go in wearing blinkers and under cover of darkness.

NomadicGray

An absolutely retarded idea but I would like to browse about the beer cave

mikeym

The Government dont have a clue.

Hiding the alcohol wont help anything.

Who comes up with this rubbish?

kenmc

mikeym wrote: »

The Government dont have a clue.

Hiding the alcohol wont help anything.

Who comes up with this rubbish?

Probably the vintners. Unless of course they also plan to put the optics, taps and bottles behind screens. Yeah right.

foggy_lad

pilly wrote: »

You've just reminded me of the days when you got a curry in the nightclub!! I think that was a law at the time, that they had to serve food to open late? It was probably made of crap but always tasted lovely. That law must have been done away with.

AFAIK they must still serve a "substantial" meal to the majority of their customers when they have a dance licence.

Tomk1 wrote: »

Most shops, alcohol is in a separate area. Tesco Supavalue you dont wander into the alcohol section unless you intend to buy. It has always been that way. Spar/Centra has alcohol section that can be closed off.

But Aldi/Lidl have alcohol near household products.
I saw a kid looking at wine/spirits in Lidl prob thought it was lemonade or maybe for cooking.
During prohibited hours Irish shops have the alcohol-area closed off. Aldi/Lidl doesn't which could be kindof infringing the law. Even though you cant purchase, the products are on display to sell. Under the law those areas should be off limit.
Maybe clarify/enforce the current law, no need for a TDs song & dance show.

If your trying to cut down on alcohol, its easy to avoid the alcohol section in Tesco.

Carlow Lidl and Aldi have curtains on the shelves with alcohol or cordon off one side of the aisle.

GreenFolder2 wrote: »

We need to change the attitudes though. What's worrying me is the use of really strong spirits to (pre drink) before going on nights out. It just seems more extreme than when I was in my college days and we mainly drank beer, not shots of cheap spirits.

It's just looking like a certain % of the population are inevitability going to see health consequences.

30+ years ago we used to bring half bottles of vodka to the school discos to mix with the little bottles of cola on sale inside.

Those who pre-drink don't really drink that much in the clubs and pubs because of the rip-off prices charged by the vintners. Having a maximum pricing order for publicans would cure that or just leave them alone to have a good night.

Leo Vradkar is responsibly for the majority of this nonsense because he has nothing else to offer the country except his nanny state crap.

Tin Foil Hat

mikeym wrote: »

The Government dont have a clue.

Hiding the alcohol wont help anything.

Who comes up with this rubbish?

Oh. it'll work alright. Drinking has been in almost constant decline for about 15 years, and will continue to decline. So, when the government introduce this, and the level of drinking lowers, they will be able to claim that the measure works. Cue more regulations.

"Lisa, I wanna buy your rock."

Carlos Orange

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Drinking has been in almost constant decline for about 15 years, and will continue to decline. So, when the government introduce this, and the level of drinking lowers, they will be able to claim that the measure works. Cue more regulations.

If it doesn't work it will just be a clear sign that more regulation is required.

Tin Foil Hat

psinno wrote: »

If it doesn't work it will just be a clear sign that more regulation is required.

Indeed. It wouldn't even cross their minds to just leave people alone.

Kristopherus

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Indeed. It wouldn't even cross their minds to just leave people alone.

May not be happening at all:D. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/booze-curtain-in-doubt-after-robust-meeting-between-minister-and-independents-35224578.html

B.A._Baracus

You have to laugh at this and the whole no buying alcohol in off-licenses after 10. It's like one hand is slowly moving towards just banning alcohol outright... But then gets slapped by the other hand because no no, can't ban alcohol. Too much money to be made for the government.

So what is all this s*ite?

elperello

So what is all this s*ite?

It's neo-prohibitionism

https://www.alcoholproblemsandsolutions.org/Controversies/20070604112246.html

scopper

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Should sweets and chocolates be put behind walls too so that fat people don't see them? Or maybe we just abolish shops altogether and have everything online only.

I will respectively hope you did not just equate a problem such as alcoholism to liking sweets. Unless I'm missing something I think we all know the former has a far more destructive social effect.

Carlos Orange

scopper wrote: »

I will respectively hope you did not just equate a problem such as alcoholism to liking sweets. Unless I'm missing something I think we all know the former has a far more destructive social effect.

Sweets probably kill more people.