Car was imported over a year ago, but owner never put it through the VRT

cranresident

What happens if you buy a car that was imported over a year ago, but owner never put it through the VRT. I am I going to have probems then changing it over

bazz26

Presuming you have bought it recently, as long as you have proof in the shape of a proper sales invoice from the seller with the date of sale, then you should not have any issue with Revenue.

colm_mcm

The Irish seller?

bazz26

I presume the OP just bought it off someone who imported it a year ago but didn't VRT it.

biko

Moved out from old thread.

Marcusm

bazz26 wrote: »

I presume the OP just bought it off someone who imported it a year ago but didn't VRT it.

The OP does not have proof ofvimportation. If he/she provides an invoice from an Irish based Non TAN holder then they will be asked to give proof of when it was imported. If that comes to light as 12 months ago then effectively the new owner becomes liable for the penalty as the vehicle cannot be registered until it is paid and the OP would have no recourse against the seller. Only a mug or someone prone to making misdeclarations to governmental authorities would buy a foreign reg'd car here without taking the penalty into account.

mickdw

Marcusm wrote: »

The OP does not have proof ofvimportation. If he/she provides an invoice from an Irish based Non TAN holder then they will be asked to give proof of when it was imported. If that comes to light as 12 months ago then effectively the new owner becomes liable for the penalty as the vehicle cannot be registered until it is paid and the OP would have no recourse against the seller. Only a mug or someone prone to making misdeclarations to governmental authorities would buy a foreign reg'd car here without taking the penalty into account.

However if the buyer was to buy it in northern ireland and have receipt from the randomer they bought from stating same, there should be no issue.

bazz26

Marcusm wrote: »

The OP does not have proof ofvimportation. If he/she provides an invoice from an Irish based Non TAN holder then they will be asked to give proof of when it was imported. If that comes to light as 12 months ago then effectively the new owner becomes liable for the penalty as the vehicle cannot be registered until it is paid and the OP would have no recourse against the seller. Only a mug or someone prone to making misdeclarations to governmental authorities would buy a foreign reg'd car here without taking the penalty into account.

If the OP only bought the car last week and wants to go through the proper registration process then I don't see why Revenue should be penalising them with fines/penalties for something that occurred prior to them buying the car. Surely Revenue should be chasing the guy who incurred the fines by not VRTing the car for 12 months rather than the OP who is trying to do the right thing by VRTing the car after buying it? Of course that would involve a bit more effort and work.

colm_mcm

Yeah, but it's liable from when it came in. Dont know why buyers enable chancers who dodge vrt.

Irish Steve

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yeah, but it's liable from when it came in. Dont know why buyers enable chancers who dodge vrt.

Don't know why advertising sites enable chancers who dodge VRT to advertise their illegal vehicles, but they do it all the time.

colm_mcm

It wouldn't be workable for the likes of donedeal to exclude uk reg cars or verify that the person selling is in Northern Ireland, or that the car is even uk reg. Buyers need to get more clued in. Buying a car from another country with no paperwork linked to the seller should be a red flag but it doesn't bother people obviously.

Marcusm

mickdw wrote: »

However if the buyer was to buy it in northern ireland and have receipt from the randomer they bought from stating same, there should be no issue.

Meaning if the OP was the sort of person who lies to governmental authorities!

bazz26 wrote: »

If the OP only bought the car last week and wants to go through the proper registration process then I don't see why Revenue should be penalising them with fines/penalties for something that occurred prior to them buying the car. Surely Revenue should be chasing the guy who incurred the fines by not VRTing the car for 12 months rather than the OP who is trying to do the right thing by VRTing the car after buying it? Of course that would involve a bit more effort and work.

The most effective method of collecting the tax is to ensure that it cannot be registered and thus cannot be lawfully driven by an Irish resident unless the tax is paid. An Irish buyer of a foreign registered car already in Ireland is a mug/patsy unless buying from a TAN holder. He is basically absolving the seller of the cost of the penalty.

Sam Russell

On thing Done Deal should allow is excluding vehicle priced in GB£ or from locations in NI, or the converse.

I find it not helpful to see such cars on a search with no easy way of excluding them.

They could require reg numbers to be submitted with the add, even if not for display.

Irish Steve

Sam Russell wrote: »

On thing Done Deal should allow is excluding vehicle priced in GB£ or from locations in NI, or the converse.

I find it not helpful to see such cars on a search with no easy way of excluding them.

They could require reg numbers to be submitted with the add, even if not for display.

Donedeal is a 32 county site, so a NI sale of a NI reg is valid, but I'd like to see all UK reg ads from sellers in the 26 counties banned, unless a TAN is provided, which is not going to be possible for almost all sellers of UK reg vehicles in the 26 counties. There are regular posts from Monaghan of UK vehicles, which is totally annoying when searching, and more than a few from Dublin on a regular basis.

Sam Russell

Irish Steve wrote: »

Donedeal is a 32 county site, so a NI sale of a NI reg is valid, but I'd like to see all UK reg ads from sellers in the 26 counties banned, unless a TAN is provided, which is not going to be possible for almost all sellers of UK reg vehicles in the 26 counties. There are regular posts from Monaghan of UK vehicles, which is totally annoying when searching, and more than a few from Dublin on a regular basis.

I am aware of the 32 county nature, but I can exclude counties but I cannot exclude items priced in sterling which would be a start. [Conversely, NI customers should be able to exclude vehicles priced in euro].

Equally they should identify whether VRT is liable. They show NCT, so why not VRT? Also, why not show partial number plates?

colm_mcm

Sam Russell wrote: »

I am aware of the 32 county nature, but I can exclude counties but I cannot exclude items priced in sterling which would be a start. [Conversely, NI customers should be able to exclude vehicles priced in euro].

Equally they should identify whether VRT is liable. They show NCT, so why not VRT? Also, why not show partial number plates?

Never going to happen. They'd need to take on a while office load of staff and turn away a huge chunk of their existing business.

Sam Russell

colm_mcm wrote: »

Never going to happen. They'd need to take on a while office load of staff and turn away a huge chunk of their existing business.

I would think it would just involve adding a tag to search on.

colm_mcm

How many sellers would want their car excluded from searches though? They'd cotton on fairly quickly how to get around it.
I agree it'd be great to be able to exclude them.