Robbie Keane leaves LA Galaxy

Am I allowed to use the bitter lemon meme twice in the same thread?

chicorytip

chicorytip wrote: »

it has to be pointed out, the majority of his goals for the national team have been scored against weaker opposition.

Miroskav Klose and Gerd Muller scored all their goals in a World Cup finals v Brazil. All of them.

garra

secman wrote: »

Crumlin United or Tallaght town next?

We have a spare spot up in Tallaght astro on a Tuesday evening if he fancies it

Dempsey

chicorytip wrote: »

It's telling that the most successful period of his career has been in MLS - the "elephants graveyard" for has - beens. Ability wise he was no better than championship level, lacking the movement, awareness and finishing ability of a genuine top quality player. He was a failure at each of the top level teams he signed for and, it has to be pointed out, the majority of his goals for the national team have been scored against weaker opposition. In an Irish context I would rate him far beneath the likes of Stapleton or even Niall Quinn!

Well Done. In one foul swoop you've managed to get everyone to acknowledge that you know fcuk all about football

SantryRed

chicorytip wrote: »

It's telling that the most successful period of his career has been in MLS - the "elephants graveyard" for has - beens. Ability wise he was no better than championship level, lacking the movement, awareness and finishing ability of a genuine top quality player. He was a failure at each of the top level teams he signed for and, it has to be pointed out, the majority of his goals for the national team have been scored against weaker opposition. In an Irish context I would rate him far beneath the likes of Stapleton or even Niall Quinn!

This is genuinely the worst post I've ever read on Boards.

chicorytip

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

That's one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on this forum.

If he was no better than championship level why did he play in the premier league for 11 seasons?

The argument that he only sores goals against weaker opposition for Ireland is complete bull****.He did score 3 goals in 4 games at the world cup.

I am expressing an opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on knowledge acquired having followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can hardly be described as "stupid" or ill informed. Keane has been a failure at the elite level of the club game in Europe and simply cannot be ranked alongside the genuine "greats" of his generation. To argue otherwise is certainly not "stupid", I would say, just simply laughable.
Anyway, it's only a game!!

~Rebel~

chicorytip wrote: »

I am expressing an opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on knowledge acquired having followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can hardly be described as "stupid" or ill informed. Keane has been a failure at the elite level of the club game in Europe and simply cannot be ranked alongside the genuine "greats" of his generation. To argue otherwise is certainly not "stupid", I would say, just simply laughable.
Anyway, it's only a game!!

This, at least is arguable.

But your assertion that he was merely championship level is what has provoked the reaction of pure derision. And rightly so, as it's laughable, and simply does not deserve to be taken in any way seriously.

justshane

Keane is currently 13th all time top scorer in the premier league. More than Drogba, Van Nistelrooy, and Tevez as an example. Not bad for a 'championship player'.

galwaylad14

chicorytip wrote: »

I am expressing an opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on knowledge acquired having followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can hardly be described as "stupid" or ill informed. Keane has been a failure at the elite level of the club game in Europe and simply cannot be ranked alongside the genuine "greats" of his generation. To argue otherwise is certainly not "stupid", I would say, just simply laughable.
Anyway, it's only a game!!

I feel so sorry for you to have spent forty years watching something and have no understanding whatsoever about it after all that time.

One of the highest scorers in the history of international football. Of course he scored a lot of goals against weaker teams but he scored plenty against teams similar and better than us too. Look at the goals records of any top international striker, they have all scored lots of their goals against weaker teams. That's just how international football works.

The man is in a very select group of players to have over 100 goals in the premiership. Not bad for a championship player in fairness

Pat D. Almighty

chicorytip wrote: »

I am expressing an opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on knowledge acquired having followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can hardly be described as "stupid" or ill informed. Keane has been a failure at the elite level of the club game in Europe and simply cannot be ranked alongside the genuine "greats" of his generation. To argue otherwise is certainly not "stupid", I would say, just simply laughable.
Anyway, it's only a game!!

Opinion

Dirty Dingus McGee

chicorytip wrote: »

I am expressing an opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on knowledge acquired having followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can hardly be described as "stupid" or ill informed. Keane has been a failure at the elite level of the club game in Europe and simply cannot be ranked alongside the genuine "greats" of his generation. To argue otherwise is certainly not "stupid", I would say, just simply laughable.
Anyway, it's only a game!!

You said he was no better than championship level which is not true as he played in the premier league for 11 years.That part of your opinion was stupid because it was 100% totally factually incorrect.

Also your statement that he only scores goals against weaker opposition was baloney as well. First of all you could make that statement about every single striker who has scored a lot of goals because most strikers score most of their goals against weaker opposition.He's scored plenty of goals against the bigger teams at international level as I pointed out in my post.

Captain Havoc

chicorytip wrote: »

It's telling that the most successful period of his career has been in MLS - the "elephants graveyard" for has - beens. Ability wise he was no better than championship level, lacking the movement, awareness and finishing ability of a genuine top quality player. He was a failure at each of the top level teams he signed for and, it has to be pointed out, the majority of his goals for the national team have been scored against weaker opposition. In an Irish context I would rate him far beneath the likes of Stapleton or even Niall Quinn!

I think why some perceive Robbie Keane to be less than great is because he was a nuts and bolts player and sometimes people only look for the bells and whistles. Not scoring against big teams? Germany and Spain in the World Cup, France in the playoff, the Dutch, Russia and Italy in qualifiers. Was he failure at spurs where he was POTY? Both Niall Quinn and Frank Stapleton have never won the league either.

kfallon

chicorytip wrote: »

I am expressing a wrong opinion with which you happen to disagree. Fair enough. My opinion is based on lack of knowledge acquired having not followed football at national and international level for over forty years now so can totally be described as "stupid" or ill informed. just simply laughable.

Fixed it up for you there trout......

chicorytip

~Rebel~ wrote: »

This, at least is arguable.

But your assertion that he was merely championship level is what has provoked the reaction of pure derision. And rightly so, as it's laughable, and simply does not deserve to be taken in any way seriously.

His most
prolific periods, by far, have been at Wolverhampton and Coventry (both second tier) and, latterly,in La La land. That says a lot.

chicorytip

chicorytip wrote: »

His most
prolific periods, by far, have been at Wolverhampton and Coventry (both second tier) and, latterly,in La La land. That says a lot.

Obviously. They are weaker divisions. I'm sure every single striker, good, bad or indifferent, scores more against weaker opposition.

But that is still not to say what you said, that that was his level, as if he only belonged at that level.

Edit - checked, his most goals per season actually came in 2006-08 at Spurs where he netted 22 and 23 goals in consecutive seasons. Where did you get the idea that his most prolific spells "by far" were at Wolves and Coventry?

justshane

justshane wrote: »

Keane is currently 13th all time top scorer in the premier league. More than Drogba, Van Nistelrooy, and Tevez as an example. Not bad for a 'championship player'.

150 Goals (open to correction)
Yea "nothing player bill"

Captain Havoc

A certain Mark Twain quote is coming to mind.

wandatowell

Captain Havoc wrote: »

A certain Mark Twain quote is coming to mind.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."


In this case I'd agree.

Dirty Dingus McGee

chicorytip wrote: »

His most
prolific periods, by far, have been at Wolverhampton and Coventry (both second tier) and, latterly,in La La land. That says a lot.

When he played for Coventry they were in The Premier League.

His best years in England were with Spurs in the premier league.He had more prolific seasons for Spurs than he has for either Coventry or Wolves.

Dots1982

Anyone who thinks Robbie Keane was a championship level striker is obviously wrong. Anyone who thought Robbie had a good record of scoring against the seeded nations in qualifying games is equally deluding themselves.

Pat D. Almighty

Deleted User wrote: »

. Where did you get the idea that his most prolific spells "by far" were at Wolves and Coventry?

His hopeful imagination

Dots1982

Dots1982 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks Robbie Keane was a championship level striker is obviously wrong. Anyone who thought Robbie had a good record of scoring against the seeded nations in qualifying games is equally deluding themselves.

If you look down through Klose's list of international goals, none v Spain, none v France, none v Holland in a competitive match, 1 v Brazil in the 7-1, a load of references to Cyprus and Luzembourg and Azerbaijan in there etc. etc.

Skylinehead

The only "big" nations I can think of that Robbie Keane did not score against are Argentina, Brazil, and England (big?). Did we face any of them competitively during Keane's career? I can't remember. He has a good record in big games vs big teams.

kfallon

Skylinehead wrote: »

The only "big" nations I can think of that Robbie Keane did not score against are Argentina, Brazil, and England (big?). Did we face any of them competitively during Keane's career? I can't remember. He has a good record in big games vs big teams.

Nope!

Muff_Daddy

Dots1982 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks Robbie Keane was a championship level striker is obviously wrong. Anyone who thought Robbie had a good record of scoring against the seeded nations in qualifying games is equally deluding themselves.

Robbies goals against higher seeds in competetive games.

Yugoslavia home 2000
Turkey home 2000 Euro 2000 playoff
Holland away 2000
Germany 2002 World Cup
Spain 2002 World Cup
Italy away 2008
France away World Cup playoff
Russia 2011
Sweden 2013

I've probably left some out, but even the above list would in any currency be considered a 'good' return of goals considering the number of times a country like Ireland play internationals against the likes of these teams.

An international goal scoring rate comparable with Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi.

And he still gets knocked more than just about any player we have produced (not talking about you in this instance Dots)

Sad.

skylinehead wrote:

The only "big" nations I can think of that Robbie Keane did not score against are Argentina, Brazil, and England (big?). Did we face any of them competitively during Keane's career? I can't remember. He has a good record in big games vs big teams.

He didn't score against Argentina, but he was the best player on the pitch, bar Ortega, on his home debut for Ireland against them in 1998.

The_Kew_Tour

Robbie Keane must be one of few strikers where people think he should have scored more goals against better sides then poorer.

Next up why dont Messi, Ronaldo, Aguero and Suarez score more hattricks against poorer sides then the very good teams.

LuckyLloyd

chicorytip wrote: »

His most
prolific periods, by far, have been at Wolverhampton and Coventry (both second tier) and, latterly,in La La land. That says a lot.

He made 197 league appearances for Spurs, scoring 80 goals.
At Wolves and Coventry, he made 104 league appearances, scoring 36 goals.

You're talking bollocks.

chicorytip

His periods spent "playing" at both Inter and Liverpool give a more accurate reflection of his true abilities. An archetypal journeyman - no more than that.

Omackeral

chicorytip wrote: »

His periods spent "playing" at both Inter and Liverpool give a more accurate reflection of his true abilities. An archetypal journeyman - no more than that.

lassykk

Brilliant GIF... This forum never fails to entertain with ridiculous opinions

Duff

It takes some doing, but you've done it, Chicorytip. The most brainless few posts I've ever laid my eyes on, on this fine forum.

ben.schlomo

Duff wrote: »

It takes some doing, but you've done it, Chicorytip. The most brainless few posts I've ever laid my eyes on, on this fine forum.

Ya ive seen some low IQ stuff here in the past but this is on another level.

Gbear

His treatment at Liverpool was one of my biggest gripes with Benitez.

It was a real shame. He played fine - something like 7 goals and 4 assists in his first 30-odd games (almost none of which he finished and many were as a sub) and that included things like an absolute screamer against Arsenal, 2 assists against Everton and a couple of goals in the CL as well.
I can't think of any player who was ever booted out of a club for that level of performance so that clearly wasn't it.

If he had arrived at a time when there wasn't a civil war going on in the club who knows how he might've got on. He certainly would've been a much better option to have around when Torres was injured or buggered off to Chelsea.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Gbear wrote: »

His treatment at Liverpool was one of my biggest gripes with Benitez.

It was a real shame. He played fine - something like 7 goals and 4 assists in his first 30-odd games (almost none of which he finished and many were as a sub) and that included things like an absolute screamer against Arsenal, 2 assists against Everton and a couple of goals in the CL as well.
I can't think of any player who was ever booted out of a club for that level of performance so that clearly wasn't it.

If he had arrived at a time when there wasn't a civil war going on in the club who knows how he might've got on. He certainly would've been a much better option to have around when Torres was injured or buggered off to Chelsea.

Seemed like he never was viewed kindly in Benitez's eyes due to the game against Atletico Madrid where he tried a fancy flick for a finish (which was stupid of him) rather than a more sensible attempt.

jamesbere

chicorytip wrote: »

His periods spent "playing" at both Inter and Liverpool give a more accurate reflection of his true abilities. An archetypal journeyman - no more than that.

It seems that whatever facts are put in front of you are just ignoring. Your either trolling or just dislike Keane

Chicory does have a rather amusing take on football.

Who is the world's greatest? Why, obviously...

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=93331856

chicorytip

ben.schlomo wrote: »

Ya ive seen some low IQ stuff here in the past but this is on another level.

Association football and low intelligence have long been synonymous! 😂

ben.schlomo

chicorytip wrote: »

Association football and low intelligence have long been synonymous! 😂

Nobody can say youre not keeping the tradition alive then.

Father Hernandez

National Hero!

MarcusP12

Deleted User wrote: »

chicorytip wrote: »

His most
prolific periods, by far, have been at Wolverhampton and Coventry (both second tier) and, latterly,in La La land. That says a lot.

Obviously. They are weaker divisions. I'm sure every single striker, good, bad or indifferent, scores more against weaker opposition.

But that is still not to say what you said, that that was his level, as if he only belonged at that level.

Edit - checked, his most goals per season actually came in 2006-08 at Spurs where he netted 22 and 23 goals in consecutive seasons. Where did you get the idea that his most prolific spells "by far" were at Wolves and Coventry?

Late to the party on this one but to support your post and at the same time call out the post you were replying to as the horse $hit that it is, Robbie was the top premiership scorer in the calendar year of 2007. That's a fact. guy doesn't get half the credit he deserves....legend....