NEW 2016 Open and Interdepartmental Assistant Principal in Civil Service competition.

bobbysands81

JoeMac7 wrote: »

Departments also will sometimes go on the hunt for certain skills. I know our place wants as many lawyers as possible at AP level so will give PAS a heads up that they’re after a solicitor or barrister and wait to put in their request until it gets to the point where one of those is in the next batch

PRA?

whampiri

Phonecrazy wrote: »

Any assignments yet (after #26)?

We're up to the 40s on the open.

Phonecrazy

whampiri wrote: »

We're up to the 40s on the open.

Up to 40s in clearance as I understand it. I wanted to know had anyone gotten their assigned departments yet?

JoeMac7

bobbysands81 wrote: »

PRA?

Yeah

JoeMac7

Phonecrazy wrote: »

Up to 40s in clearance as I understand it. I wanted to know had anyone gotten their assigned departments yet?

That’s right, in the early 30s and I’m in clearance but no word on an appointment

confusted

Damn data protection message from Public Jobs!

Woodenframe

Garda clearance says disclosure returned to PAS, non-CS. Took just over a week. Presume the next step is reference request from PAS, unless another layer of vetting required for certain positions?

sheepstealer

for those wondering on the next AP/PO comps the following PQ answer might help

"To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform when a new round of applications will open for positions (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. Willie Penrose TD
Details Supplied
Executive Officer, Higher Executive Officer, Administration Officers, Senior Staff Officers, Assistant Principal Officers and Principal Officers

As the Deputy will be aware, the Public Appointments Service (PAS), is the independent recruiter of people for the civil service through open and interdepartmental competitions.
While there are many factors affecting recruitment the most important are the expected number of staff who will leave in the near future, existing panels in place and the demand for staff based on the work to be carried out by departments/offices.
I understand from PAS that it intends to hold the following competitions in 2018/2019;

Executive Officers Quarter 3 2018
Higher Executive Officers To be decided
Administrative Officers Quarter 3 2018
Assistant Principal Officers Quarter 2 2018
Principal Officers Quarter 1 2019

I would emphasise that these dates are subject to change.
The grade of Staff Officer no longer exists in the civil service."

tea and coffee

Q2 would imply a comp opening in the next few weeks.... Can't see that happening, although I'd love to be wrong.
Maybe they're running a little behind.
Thanks for the information! :-)

johnboyire

sheepstealer wrote: »

for those wondering on the next AP/PO comps the following PQ answer might help

"To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform when a new round of applications will open for positions (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. Willie Penrose TD
Details Supplied
Executive Officer, Higher Executive Officer, Administration Officers, Senior Staff Officers, Assistant Principal Officers and Principal Officers

As the Deputy will be aware, the Public Appointments Service (PAS), is the independent recruiter of people for the civil service through open and interdepartmental competitions.
While there are many factors affecting recruitment the most important are the expected number of staff who will leave in the near future, existing panels in place and the demand for staff based on the work to be carried out by departments/offices.
I understand from PAS that it intends to hold the following competitions in 2018/2019;

Executive Officers Quarter 3 2018
Higher Executive Officers To be decided
Administrative Officers Quarter 3 2018
Assistant Principal Officers Quarter 2 2018
Principal Officers Quarter 1 2019

I would emphasise that these dates are subject to change.
The grade of Staff Officer no longer exists in the civil service."

A few offers on the current panel this week would be good too

Crunchymomma

sheepstealer wrote: »

for those wondering on the next AP/PO comps the following PQ answer might help

"To ask the Minister for Public Expenditure and Reform when a new round of applications will open for positions (details supplied); and if he will make a statement on the matter. Willie Penrose TD
Details Supplied
Executive Officer, Higher Executive Officer, Administration Officers, Senior Staff Officers, Assistant Principal Officers and Principal Officers

As the Deputy will be aware, the Public Appointments Service (PAS), is the independent recruiter of people for the civil service through open and interdepartmental competitions.
While there are many factors affecting recruitment the most important are the expected number of staff who will leave in the near future, existing panels in place and the demand for staff based on the work to be carried out by departments/offices.
I understand from PAS that it intends to hold the following competitions in 2018/2019;

Executive Officers Quarter 3 2018
Higher Executive Officers To be decided
Administrative Officers Quarter 3 2018
Assistant Principal Officers Quarter 2 2018
Principal Officers Quarter 1 2019

I would emphasise that these dates are subject to change.
The grade of Staff Officer no longer exists in the civil service."

When was this asked

Crunchymomma

To answer my own question, it's from May 15th

Woodenframe

So the next step is a ref from current employers... it seems like it has to be a proper reference rather than Just confirming employment. Not too keen to ask current employers for ref without an actual job offer.
Anyone any experience of this?

AndrewJRenko

Woodenframe wrote: »

So the next step is a ref from current employers... it seems like it has to be a proper reference rather than Just confirming employment. Not too keen to ask current employers for ref without an actual job offer.
Anyone any experience of this?

It's a difficult situation, but they won't proceed without a clean reference. I was able to get the HR manager to do the reference in confidence, without letting my line manager know.

whampiri

Woodenframe wrote: »

So the next step is a ref from current employers... it seems like it has to be a proper reference rather than Just confirming employment. Not too keen to ask current employers for ref without an actual job offer.
Anyone any experience of this?

Yes, ask for the reference unless you don't want the role. There's no way around it and if they've gone this far, you can take it that it's everything but a job offer.

They're hardly going to offer you a posting without checking references first. No organization does that.

Woodenframe

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's a difficult situation, but they won't proceed without a clean reference. I was able to get the HR manager to do the reference in confidence, without letting my line manager know.

It's a straight to CEO jobbie here so don't relish the thoughts without that job offer on paper! However, needs must

Woodenframe

whampiri wrote: »

Yes, ask for the reference unless you don't want the role. There's no way around it and if they've gone this far, you can take it that it's everything but a job offer.

They're hardly going to offer you a posting without checking references first. No organization does that.

True, however, usually one has a job offer before the perspective employer asks permission to contact one's current employer.

miss_miaigi

Woodenframe wrote: »

True, however, usually one has a job offer before the perspective employer asks permission to contact one's current employer.

Ah but this is the Cvivil Service and not everything is done in a way that makes sense or how you would expect it!

johnboyire

anyone put a call / email in this week? thanks

Babsiboo

Woodenframe wrote: »

True, however, usually one has a job offer before the perspective employer asks permission to contact one's current employer.

Usually you will not go in to clearance without a post available so if health, reference, clearance etc check out you are then assigned. PAS won't clear and assign any further numbers unless all other previous numbers have been cleared and assigned.

johnboyire

Babsiboo wrote: »

PAS won't clear and assign any further numbers unless all other previous numbers have been cleared and assigned.

so if thats the case we are waiting on clearance to finish then more roles to become available?

Babsiboo

johnboyire wrote: »

so if thats the case we are waiting on clearance to finish then more roles to become available?

They have put up to mid 40s (open) in to clearance but the assignments haven't caught up. For example number 40 could have sent everything back but until the lower numbers sends their clearance, and whatever else is needed no further assignments can be made.

miss_miaigi

No word on any movement this week?

whampiri

miss_miaigi wrote: »

No word on any movement this week?

Hopefully we hear something on moves today. Pace of ppl being called for clearance has suddenly slowed to a crawl.

johnboyire

hopefully this is the calm before the clearance storm

whampiri

johnboyire wrote: »

hopefully this is the calm before the clearance storm

Fingers crossed because I didn't hear of any movement on the list last week.

JoeMac7

johnboyire wrote: »

hopefully this is the calm before the clearance storm

I think we need the appointments storm first!! There’s about 20 of us in clearance at the moment, we’re going to need to be appointed before they go to clear anyone else.

Turty3

JoeMac7 wrote: »

I think we need the appointments storm first!! There’s about 20 of us in clearance at the moment, we’re going to need to be appointed before they go to clear anyone else.

I've a friend who was contacted with an appointment on Friday, had been in first 30 called to clearance so hopefully the second lot (into 40s) will get appointments very soon and clearance for the rest will move forward before Summer leave periods really slow things down.

JoeMac7

Turty3 wrote: »

I've a friend who was contacted with an appointment on Friday, had been in first 30 called to clearance so hopefully the second lot (into 40s) will get appointments very soon and clearance for the rest will move forward before Summer leave periods really slow things down.

I’m 30/33 so fingers crossed for it being soon!! The waiting is a killer lol.

JoeMac7

Scratch that!! Literally just got my appointment notice through.

Been appointed back to the PRA but hadn't specifically requested it.

miss_miaigi

JoeMac7 wrote: »

Scratch that!! Literally just got my appointment notice through.

Been appointed back to the PRA but hadn't specifically requested it.

Congrats! Also great to hear it is moving again.

Now we need someone further down in the 30s to keep us posted!

Poppy2017

any recent movement in the regions ???

quad_red

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-05-15a.540&s=%22Staff+officer%22#g542.r

PQ last month indicated new AP competition in Q2 this year?

gazzer

Im starting to get a bit stressed now that they wont get to my number on the panel

Woodenframe

Mid 30s open now finished clearing and awaiting contact from new Dept!

Woodenframe

gazzer wrote: »

Im starting to get a bit stressed now that they wont get to my number on the panel

Still a good 5 or 6 months left so doubt you have to fret yet

whampiri

gazzer wrote: »

Im starting to get a bit stressed now that they wont get to my number on the panel

As mentioned above. The only reason I'd be worried is if I was in the 3.1 panel, and even then I'd be fairly certain that a number if them will be called. How many is unknown.

I think PAS should set up a panel count in their site so that they don't get calls every day.

The_Conductor

quad_red wrote: »

https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2018-05-15a.540&s=%22Staff+officer%22#g542.r

PQ last month indicated new AP competition in Q2 this year?

Yes- they're behind schedule- they're now saying August/Sept- and are in the process of putting interview boards together- which will obviously be after Stage 1- which would indicate an actual announcement could be at any time- with a Stage 1 (online tests) at some stage over the next 8-10 weeks.

Crunchymomma

The_Conductor wrote: »

Yes- they're behind schedule- they're now saying August/Sept- and are in the process of putting interview boards together- which will obviously be after Stage 1- which would indicate an actual announcement could be at any time- with a Stage 1 (online tests) at some stage over the next 8-10 weeks.

Would love if they would just get it announced so we can start working on those awful forms ha

DanDublin1982

Late 40s (open) and the boss advised me today the clearance form was returned to HR about 5 minutes after he received it.

miss_miaigi

DanDublin1982 wrote: »

Late 40s (open) and the boss advised me today the clearance form was returned to HR about 5 minutes after he received it.

Mine did the same this morning. I'm low 50s on the open.

HR told him they expect it to be 6 to 8 weeks before assignment but they can't say for certain as PAS don't let them know until they are moving me.

Phonecrazy

Early 30s, was assigned a department this week.

Turty3

Has anyone been sent to 'clearance' or given an appointment from the Interdepartmental Panel?

I'm wondering how they're working through them. It appears all promotions to-date have been directly from the Open panel; is that correct?

gazzer

Is there much of a difference between the number at open and the number at interdepartmental?

Woodenframe

no, it seems from previous posts here that there is only about 6 or 7 more on open panel

Turty3

Woodenframe wrote: »

no, it seems from previous posts here that there is only about 6 or 7 more on open panel

When you get down further on the panels (60s/70s) the gap increases to >10. I'm low 70s on Open and low 60s on Interdept. Haven't figured it out.

Enova

Any updates from those on the Kerry and Cork panels?

whampiri

Enova wrote: »

Any updates from those on the Kerry and Cork panels?

Your best bet on this is to contact PAS. There doesn't seem to be any reply whenever this question is asked. Means either 1. There's nobody here on the regional panel or 2. There's no news.

johnboyire

Hi all so we are into the 50s on the open panel, good stuff.

Just to confirm the process, do you get contacted, are told you have a position in xyz, if you accept clearance begins, once clearance is completed you then get a date for placement?

Is that it in a nutshell?

JoeMac7

Turty3 wrote: »

Has anyone been sent to 'clearance' or given an appointment from the Interdepartmental Panel?

I'm wondering how they're working through them. It appears all promotions to-date have been directly from the Open panel; is that correct?

My appointment back to the PRA was headed as being from the inter panel