NEW 2016 Open and Interdepartmental Assistant Principal in Civil Service competition.

TaurenDruid

dee75 wrote: »

New campaign for AP launched!!!! Just got notification from Public Jobs.

Time for a new thread!

Just looking at the date of the first post on this one... /sigh, here goes another 2 years!

dee75

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Time for a new thread!

Just looking at the date of the first post on this one... /sigh, here goes another 2 years!

Jeez how did 2 years go by so quick?

backofthepack

TaurenDruid wrote: »

Time for a new thread!

Just looking at the date of the first post on this one... /sigh, here goes another 2 years!

Is this online yet?
Can't find it on public jobs

HARPO2000

Can anyone tell me where PAS are at on batch 3. I am in the late 30's on the batch and am trying to get an update on where the panel is at.

Riskymove

backofthepack wrote: »

Is this online yet?
Can't find it on public jobs

yes there is a link above

On Public jobs it is called Senior Management Opportunities

Belfry2018

HARPO2000 wrote: »

Can anyone tell me where PAS are at on batch 3. I am in the late 30's on the batch and am trying to get an update on where the panel is at.

Last Friday they were at no 12! No news yet if they have moved on.

HARPO2000

Thanks for the update

Clonmel1000

When is the panel closing is it 31/10/18?

Ravelleman

Clonmel1000 wrote: »

When is the panel closing is it 31/10/18?

Stage-two shortlisting for the new competition is listed for early/mid October in the timeline. One imagines that the first round of interviews will not be complete by the end of the month but the plan may not be for the old panel to end immediately before the new panel is in place. In my mind, there is still room for the current panel to be extended but we will see.

gazzer

So for those of you now working as an AP how are finding the working hours? Are you doing set hours or can you leave early some days and leave later on others or does the work you are doing when you can leave (deadlines, late meetings etc)

whampiri

gazzer wrote: »

So for those of you now working as an AP how are finding the working hours? Are you doing set hours or can you leave early some days and leave later on others or does the work you are doing when you can leave (deadlines, late meetings etc)

In most departments, they apply a derrogation to the working time act to all AP and above staff. This means that they're essentially in charge of their own hours and are expected to put in the necessary amount of work to get the job done. It also means that there's generally more flexibility in relation to start and finish times.

Some depts still insist on people clocking, either for h&s or security reasons and those that do have mentioned that they definitely put in more hours than stated.

gazzer

Thanks for the reply.

Ideally i would like to work 9 to 6 and take a 75 minute lunch break to go to the gym. Or else take a shorter break and finish at 5.15. I realise that would not be possible every day due to work issues that may arise but if i could do that twice a week it would be great. Or even come in up to 10am and stay until 6.30

The dept i am going to require AP's to clock in and out for H/S reasons

whampiri wrote: »

In most departments, they apply a derrogation to the working time act to all AP and above staff. This means that they're essentially in charge of their own hours and are expected to put in the necessary amount of work to get the job done. It also means that there's generally more flexibility in relation to start and finish times.

Some depts still insist on people clocking, either for h&s or security reasons and those that do have mentioned that they definitely put in more hours than stated.

whampiri

gazzer wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.

Ideally i would like to work 9 to 6 and take a 75 minute lunch break to go to the gym. Or else take a shorter break and finish at 5.15. I realise that would not be possible every day due to work issues that may arise but if i could do that twice a week it would be great. Or even come in up to 10am and stay until 6.30

The dept i am going to require AP's to clock in and out for H/S reasons

I'm afraid you probably won't get to dictate this but each Dept is different.

Beebie

Belfry2018 wrote: »

Last Friday they were at no 12! No news yet if they have moved on.

Folks, I was no 12 on open, appointed today to serving dept. I'm also no 11 on interd so that's another spot freed up. Many thanks for all the advice and support

sheepstealer

gazzer wrote: »

So for those of you now working as an AP how are finding the working hours? Are you doing set hours or can you leave early some days and leave later on others or does the work you are doing when you can leave (deadlines, late meetings etc)

Not much has been said to date I tend to work 9 to 5 with a 30 min lunch but I imagine it’s going to be longer in winter but my PO works 730 to 7 every day ! Everyone at AP/AP equivalent seem to do their own thing time wise

Beebeebug

Just depressed myself by starting to read the 2018 thread. Oh the joy that is the regions! Still not tempted to put Dublin down on the new comp though. Anybody lucky enough to get a regional posting lately?

Crunchymomma

Beebeebug wrote: »

Just depressed myself by starting to read the 2018 thread. Oh the joy that is the regions! Still not tempted to put Dublin down on the new comp though. Anybody lucky enough to get a regional posting lately?

The lack of movement in the regions is soul destroying. I am going to put in an application for 2018 but am going to hsve to resign myself to the fact that unless I manage to come in the top three or so for my areas that I will probably be **** outa luck

relax carry on

Same regarding the regions. Am on this open/inter d and an internal one as well but I'm geographically locked so am also resigned to the fact it may never happen. If I could have taken Dublin I would have been promoted nearly a year ago.

batista

eigrod wrote: »

This from a FORSA Civil Service Divisional Executive Committee update that was circulated today :

4. Competitions
The Divisional Executive Committee has indicated agreement that the AP Interdepartmental panel will continue for the remainder of the year, to facilitate a First Secretary (Foreign Affairs) competition to be followed by a new AP competition.

Has there already been a competition for First Secretary? I see that the AP competition has been advertised. From earlier posts on this thread I’ve read that people who applied previously for the AP role got called for employment in DFAT. Should I apply for AP with the possibility (lot of hoops to jump through first I know) of getting a chance to be called for a job in DFAT, or was that a once off the last time it was advertised, and if so does anyone know when if it hasn’t been advertised already that the First Secretary competition will be advertised??

Beebeebug

relax carry on wrote: »

Same regarding the regions. Am on this open/inter d and an internal one as well but I'm geographically locked so am also resigned to the fact it may never happen. If I could have taken Dublin I would have been promoted nearly a year ago.

Yeah me too as regards Dublin. Would have been posted early oct 17 if I had had Dublin as a location choice.

Blue_sky7

This competition is only for AP, not first sec like last time. No indication of when another external first sec competition will be held, but there's an internal panel in place. Maybe they'll need to do a separate first sec competition to satisfy the 1:1:1 rules.

batista wrote: »

Has there already been a competition for First Secretary? I see that the AP competition has been advertised. From earlier posts on this thread I’ve read that people who applied previously for the AP role got called for employment in DFAT. Should I apply for AP with the possibility (lot of hoops to jump through first I know) of getting a chance to be called for a job in DFAT, or was that a once off the last time it was advertised, and if so does anyone know when if it hasn’t been advertised already that the First Secretary competition will be advertised??

batista

Forgive the ignorance, but what does 1.1.1 mean? That for every 3 vacancies only up to a maximum of 1 can be filled externally? Or 1 of 3 must be an external?

Also is why is it 1.1.1 as supposed to 2.1 if 2 come from serving civil servants? And in this particular case, if you were lucky enough to be an AP are you then precluded from applying for a First Secretary competition as its the same rank?

HARPO2000

For AP in the Civil Service appointments are made:

1. Open Competition
1. Inter Departmental
1. Internal

So for every three appointments to AP, two are appointed from External Competitions.

Riskymove

batista wrote: »

And in this particular case, if you were lucky enough to be an AP are you then precluded from applying for a First Secretary competition as its the same rank?

you would be precluded from interdepartmental I think

I don't think anyone can be precluded from Open

Blue_sky7

Riskymove wrote: »

you would be precluded from interdepartmental I think

I don't think anyone can be precluded from Open

Yes you can't apply interd or internal for jobs with the same max salary, but you can apply through open.

You could also potentially be offered an AP position in DFAT from this competition but very few positions.

Zcxv23

Any movement this week on Batch 3? Seems to have slowed completely down again.

Belfry2018

Zcxv23 wrote: »

Any movement this week on Batch 3? Seems to have slowed completely down again.

Just got an email I’m gone into clearance I was no 15 & 16. Some movement.

Zcxv23

Belfry2018 wrote: »

Just got an email I’m gone into clearance I was no 15 & 16. Some movement.

Congrats! Good to hear they haven't forgotten about us with the new competition going on. Hopefully you'll be assigned quickly too.

Belfry2018

Zcxv23 wrote: »

Congrats! Good to hear they haven't forgotten about us with the new competition going on. Hopefully you'll be assigned quickly too.

Will keep you posted. Thanks

Poppy2017

Belfry2018 wrote: »

Just got an email I’m gone into clearance I was no 15 & 16. Some movement.

Any movement in the regions happening ??? Any ?? LOL !!!

Can I ask Belfry, who emailed you was it PAS or your HR ? Best of luck to you !

Beebeebug

Poppy2017 wrote: »

Any movement in the regions happening ??? Any ?? LOL !!!

Can I ask Belfry, who emailed you was it PAS or your HR ? Best of luck to you !

Lol Poppy! I feel your pain. Regional desperation syndrome setting in all over the country beyond the Pale!

Belfry2018

Poppy2017 wrote: »

Any movement in the regions happening ??? Any ?? LOL !!!

Can I ask Belfry, who emailed you was it PAS or your HR ? Best of luck to you !

Hi Poppy2017 ,
I got the email from PAS which included my health and character declaration, as soon as I send that back in they’ll get back in touch re assignment.
I’ll post when I am assigned .
Thanks and best of luck to rest of the panel.

batista

I thought there were no positions in DFAT in this competition?

So internal - I presume means you work in the department that has a vacancy? Inter departmental - you are a serving civil servant HEO in another department and change department on promotion, is that correct?

So that would make it 2 serving civil servants to 1 outsider. Is that correct? And I presume if I’m correct then that there are 3 lists, so how does the order of selection for a vacancy work? And as a civil servant you can be on an open list anyway I take it so would that mean a greater number than 2/3 coming from the civil service if you can take a slot from the outsiders list?

Addle

An existing civil servant can also be on the open panel.

whampiri

batista wrote: »

I thought there were no positions in DFAT in this competition?

So internal - I presume means you work in the department that has a vacancy? Inter departmental - you are a serving civil servant HEO in another department and change department on promotion, is that correct?

So that would make it 2 serving civil servants to 1 outsider. Is that correct? And I presume if I’m correct then that there are 3 lists, so how does the order of selection for a vacancy work? And as a civil servant you can be on an open list anyway I take it so would that mean a greater number than 2/3 coming from the civil service if you can take a slot from the outsiders list?

Nearly correct. Internal is within your existing Dept. External is the open panel and interD is when you're appointed to another Dept and you're already within another Dept. Note however that someone may be pulled from the interD and yet it could appear as an open promotion.

I.e. someone may be on both but a Dept may pull candidates based on the sequencing arrangements in place so as to meet their criteria.
This competition wasn't for internal posts.

Blue_sky7

batista wrote: »

I thought there were no positions in DFAT in this competition?

There are APs and First Secretaries in DFAT, though most positions at that level are filled by First Secs. It is possible for someone to be taken off the AP panel for an AP position in DFAT. It's just rare because there are so few AP vacancies in DFAT, and so many more in other Depts. Your place coming up on the panel would have to coincide with an AP vacancy coming up in DFAT and there aren't many. And if you're offered a place in another Dept first (quite likely), you can't turn it down and wait for DFAT.

So in short, you can't become a first sec from this (2018) AP competition, but could potentially become an AP in DFAT.

Clarenceworley

Up to 18 interdepartmental on batch 3.1.

Clarenceworley

Can anyone explain the process once clearance papers are returned by you HR?

Are you offered a department or just told where you are going?

When you are notified is everything already signed and sealed already...ie department, release date and start date?

I know it's a lot of questions...have a few decisions to make depending on the department/location I am offered.

Thanks in advance.

eigrod

Clarenceworley wrote: »

Can anyone explain the process once clearance papers are returned by you HR?

Are you offered a department or just told where you are going?

When you are notified is everything already signed and sealed already...ie department, release date and start date?

I know it's a lot of questions...have a few decisions to make depending on the department/location I am offered.

Thanks in advance.

PAS write to the Department you are being assigned to and notify you at the same time. You wait for that Department to contact you (if you are serving Civil Servant, they may go through your current HR). The Departments agree a release date and agree that with you - usually 3 to 4 weeks out. The new Department send you a letter of appointment with details of the T&Cs which you have to sign. The first year is “acting on probation” and permanent appointment is subject to successful completion of the probation year.

Clarenceworley

Thanks for such a quick response. So it's a take it or leave it scenario!good to know. Thanks again. In the process of moving home also. Delighted for the opportunity but will have to wait to see if the commute is possible.

HARPO2000

Is number 18 the highest PAS has contacted from the Interdepartmental Panel for batch 3.1.
What number are they at for the Open Panel.

bobbysands81

A new batch of people have been called to do the etray and verification apparently.

Anyone hear anything?

mondaygirl

Folks, I’m 20 open & 21 interd (batch 3)
Have just got mail from PAS to say they have reached my place, though they don’t say which panel.
Good luck to everyone

Belfry2018

Hey quick update I got assigned last Friday , so a week from going into clearance to being assigned to my current Department. Hope it’s as quick for you.

Poppy2017

Belfry2018 wrote: »

Hey quick update I got assigned last Friday , so a week from going into clearance to being assigned to my current Department. Hope it’s as quick for you.

Best of luck Belfry !!!

Luckyduck78

Does anyone know how many appointments have been made in total from this competition?

Clarenceworley

I was late teens. Went into clearance last week...assigned to new department two days ago. Best of luck everyone and sincere thanks for the updates over the last few months. Great source of info. Good luck also to those if you going again!!!

Belfry2018

Clarenceworley wrote: »

I was late teens. Went into clearance last week...assigned to new department two days ago. Best of luck everyone and sincere thanks for the updates over the last few months. Great source of info. Good luck also to those if you going again!!!

Thanks and good luck in your new department.

Zcxv23

Hi All, Just a quick update. Spoke to PAS this morning, and they have advised that currently at no. 21 on the Inter Departmental Panel and 25 on the open for clearance.

HARPO2000

I presume at this stage that PAS will get fully through batch 3.1 and everyone on the panel will be appointed.