Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Osmosis Jones

United only gained one point when I expected them to get three on us,we're safe in the top 4 no mater what the results for our next two league games at least,

citytillidie

So Rooney got is goal and United's top goal scorer is a scouser.

What is even better for me after last week is some United fans proved today proved in two match threads that they are just what they claimed to hate in one match thread in the other match thread lol.

Agent Coulson

Now a draw in the next game would be a good end to a bad start to the day.

Vicxas

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Now a draw in the next game would be a good end to a bad start to the day.

Knowing our luck City will **** the bed.

BorneTobyWilde

doc_17 wrote: »

Think we need a bit more in midfield. Wynaldum and Henderson have been good this year but when we have to rely on Can we do struggle a bit. He's not consistent good enough and sometimes he puts in horror shows.

At least we showed some fight today when we went behind. Beating Chelse is a must now. Not just to stay in the hunt for the league but for the CL spots.

Would like to see Milner in there for a few games.
Dam Moreno is preventing that due to his lack of ability

Pyjamarama

Vicxas wrote: »

Knowing our luck City will **** the bed.

I'm ok with that. One less top 4 challenger.

mormank

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I'm usually the one saying this but its one loss at home vs Stoke. Its ok to be upset about this one. Beat chelsea next week and its smiles again.

If you think losing at home to Stoke is bad you should have seen us today against Swansea!

Gbear

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I'm ok with that. One less top 4 challenger.

Utd and City dropping points and remaining fairly ****e is now our chief concern.

We should be able to see things out at a fairly steady pace but both of those are capable, at least theoretically, of championchip form in a way that someone like Everton wouldn't be.

5starpool

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

United only gained one point when I expected them to get three on us,we're safe in the top 4 no mater what the results for our next two league games at least,

No we're not. Utd can't overtake us after the next set of games, but we could very likely be 5th tomorrow.

At least their result will have shut some of them up and stopped this thread getting even messier than it is.

Agent Coulson

He's one of our own;)

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citytillidie wrote: »

So Rooney got is goal and United's top goal scorer is a scouser.

What is even better for me after last week is some United fans proved today proved in two match threads that they are just what they claimed to hate in one match thread in the other match thread lol.

? In the pub?

5starpool

A draw in this game would really minimise the damage we did ourselves earlier.

Pepp1989

Bitterly disappointing result today. Everytime you think the squad could be capable of something they remind you they aren't. Needs further strengthening

Knex*

5starpool wrote: »

A draw in this game would really minimise the damage we did ourselves earlier.

Can't decide who I'd like to win, if forced to pick. Probably Spurs, and keep our distance from being 5th.

And I know I've been saying the same thing all season about not expecting a title challenge, but I do think our current run has to be somewhat expected when you consider the size/depth of our squad, and the intensity and gruelling fashion that Klopp asks them to play.

Its physically and mentally impossible to ask the same 14-15 lads to do that 50 times a season.

About a month ago I'd have said we were 80% likely of achieving top 4, but felt we'd tail off from the title challenge. Now, that percentage has certainly dropped. We're on the right path, of that I've no doubt, but we're in for one hell of a fight for fourth in my eyes.

Harry Palmr

Klopp needs to stop shoehorning players,

--Hendo/Can/Wiji
Lallana/Firmino/Coutinho

is worse than say

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Hendo/Wiji

---

Lallana
Origi/Firmino/Coutinho

which keeps Lallana where is he best suited while adding some wide pace.

Agent Coulson

We could not overhaul our squad hugely last summer we needed to keep some consistency with the group of players Klopp had been working with last season.

The 4 outfield players Klopp brought in this summer have been a success Wijnaldum, Matip, Mane & Ragnar add another 1 this window and another 4 next summer and we will have a completely different looking squad to the one he took over 16 months ago.

Getting CL football and winning a trophy would have been the main goal at the start of the season for every fan and we are still in with a shout of doing that.

Osmosis Jones

5starpool wrote: »

No we're not. Utd can't overtake us after the next set of games, but we could very likely be 5th tomorrow.

At least their result will have shut some of them up and stopped this thread getting even messier than it is.

Even if City we today we've got a fairly large goal difference advantage over them.

citytillidie

Marianna Savory Bandstand wrote: »

? In the pub?

Nope after being called a crier last week in the United thread over the ref, it was nice to see some fans being hypocrites and crying over the ref in their match thread.

Knex*

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Klopp needs to stop shoehorning players,

--Hendo/Can/Wiji
Lallana/Firmino/Coutinho

is worse than say

---

Hendo/Wiji

---

Lallana
Origi/Firmino/Coutinho

which keeps Lallana where is he best suited while adding some wide pace.

Whilst I agree, the flipside is that it was arguably his shoehorning that turned Henderson into a deep lying anchor, Wjinaldum into a box to box midfielder, and Lallana the same.

BorneTobyWilde

Need a goal scorer in Can Hendo and Wiji .
In these games you need that Gerrard or Lampard to drag us over line.
We have neither

Harry Palmr

Knex. wrote: »

Whilst I agree, the flipside is that it was arguably his shoehorning that turned Henderson into a deep lying anchor, Wjinaldum into a box to box midfielder, and Lallana the same.

True and Milner into a left back (hang on is anyone where they ought to be?!)
but having established the new positional order he should tinker with it as little as possible and preferably not at all until this season is done. Do any of us think Can/Hendo works? Does the play and results back up this paring? Nope.

Knex*

Harry Palmr wrote: »

True and Milner into a left back (hang on is anyone where they ought to be?!)
but having established the new positional order he should tinker with it as little as possible and preferably not at all until this season is done. Do any of us think Can/Hendo works? Does the play and results back up this paring? Nope.

Yeah, Can and Henderson really isn't working. Can hasn't been at the races at all this year. Looks a little lost at times, being honest.

Massive shame too that Origi and Sturridge are playing so poorly. One of them getting a goal every now and again would paper over some of the cracks, but they've been disappointing.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pepp1989 wrote: »

Bitterly disappointing result today. Everytime you think the squad could be capable of something they remind you they aren't. Needs further strengthening

Didn't see the match, but based on previous performaces the personnel are fine. What's missing (and has been missing for soem time now) is the mental attitude.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

True and Milner into a left back (hang on is anyone where they ought to be?!)
but having established the new positional order he should tinker with it as little as possible and preferably not at all until this season is done. Do any of us think Can/Hendo works? Does the play and results back up this paring? Nope.

Can is the problem there, he's after dropping into a slump and isn't coming out of it yet. Take him out and start Mane and we're back to our first choice team.

mada999

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Need a goal scorer in Can Hendo and Wiji .
In these games you need that Gerrard or Lampard to drag us over line.
We have neither

I totally agree... they don't score enough and need to start chipping in

sword1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Can is the problem there, he's after dropping into a slump and isn't coming out of it yet. Take him out and start Mane and we're back to our first choice team.

the squad does not have enough depth for injuries and resting players when off form.Splash the cash now if we want champions league

Pepp1989

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote:

Didn't see the match, but based on previous performaces the personnel are fine. What's missing (and has been missing for soem time now) is the mental attitude.

First team personnel bar goalie and I'd agree. Take out just one (mane) we, as many predicted, struggle.

mada999

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Didn't see the match, but based on previous performaces the personnel are fine. What's missing (and has been missing for soem time now) is the mental attitude.

Don't think it's all mental.. We cant seem to break down the weaker teams.. We have a lot of slow players in the team. To beat these teams you either go long ball (if you have tall players) or drag their defense quickly from one side to the other side of the pitch with quick passes.

Our width comes from our full backs and to be honest the chances they create are not consistent enough...

Our one player who has pace is in Africa and we knew we were going to lose him and have no backup.. which is downright negligent.

5starpool

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Even if City we today we've got a fairly large goal difference advantage over them.

For some reason I thought City were 2 points behind us, not 3 before today. Either way, a draw probably the better result in that game, followed by a City win given how fragile they are I think (similar to us in that respect).

razorblunt

Gerrard on BT talking about Chelsea on top and mentioned that the rest of them will need a slip up. Straight away Jake Humphrey jumps in with "speaking of slip ups".
Well done on the professionalism Jake, he's such a cretin.

SlickRic

Pathetic.

There is no excuse for not beating Swansea. None. Zero. They're fúcking shít.

Our continued inability to defend crosses into our box is undermining everything we're trying to do.

Just fúcking fix it.
Do nothing else for a month if you have to.

Also, Mané is apparently our most important player. We're so lethargic without his injection of pace, it's silly.

Also, learn how to beat a packed defence. Play it quickly. Give THEM the ball so we can try counter. Do something different.

So fúcking frustrating.

doc_17

We need to invest. Our squad depth isn't up to it. If we had, say Robbie Brady for 10mil, we could have had Milner in midfield today instead of Can. But our owners are careful with their money. They probably think someone should have to be sold for that to happen.

Agent Coulson

Kent scored a cracker against Leeds.

https://streamable.com/fidfr

5starpool

doc_17 wrote: »

We need to invest. Our squad depth isn't up to it. If we had, say Robbie Brady for 10mil, we could have had Milner in midfield today instead of Can. But our owners are careful with their money. They probably think someone should have to be sold for that to happen.

More to do with Klopp than the owners I'd be fairly sure.

If he can't sign anyone he really wants to sign for longterm there is no point in him signing anyone. If he was signing the likes of Robbie Brady for 10m just because he can't sign anyone better I wouldn't be too happy with the use of funds.

Agent Coulson

If we are signing players the caliber of Robbie Brady we will be righted fcuked.

MD1990

The rest of the top 6 has not signed anybody.
The reason is that very good players will not be available to buy. It's not like playing Football manager.

BorneTobyWilde

Can just turned 23 and was youngest guy in line up today, he has also played all league games and cup games. He has had no break whatsoever since Dec.
I'm at a loss to know why someone so young is used like a mule. He needs a break. Was no need for him today, Lallana should have been in midfield with an extra striker up front.

Harry Palmr

A draw is okay, maybe Hull and Burnley can do us a f.....nah.

BorneTobyWilde

MD1990 wrote: »

The rest of the top 6 has not signed anybody.
The reason is that very good players will not be available to buy. It's not like playing Football manager.

I'd take a chance on someone around 20, someone with work rate who scores a lot. Someone in a lower league in Europe or UK. Klopp could turn such a kid into a superstar.
I figure if he has great work rate and goals, then he can be improved in quality. These players are two a penny.

Osmosis Jones

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I'd take a chance on someone around 20, someone with work rate who scores a lot. Someone in a lower league in Europe or UK. Klopp could turn such a kid into a superstar.
I figure if he has great work rate and goals, then he can be improved in quality. These players are two a penny.

You mean like Origi? Or Markovic? Or any of the numerous players already in the reserves?

BorneTobyWilde

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

You mean like Origi? Or Markovic? Or any of the numerous players already in the reserves?

Origi is used, he's quality.
Markovic is too old and is what he is, poor, and an expensive mistake.
I'd pay 5m tops for a chance on someone with potential, I'd tick two boxes, does he work hard, does he score. I don't care if he's in division 5 in Moldova.

Kerrigooney

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can just turned 23 and was youngest guy in line up today, he has also played all league games and cup games. He has had no break whatsoever since Dec.
I'm at a loss to know why someone so young is used like a mule. He needs a break. Was no need for him today, Lallana should have been in midfield with an extra striker up front.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Origi is used, he's quality.
Markovic is too old and is what he is, poor, and an expensive mistake.
I'd pay 5m tops for a chance on someone with potential, I'd tick two boxes, does he work hard, does he score. I don't care if he's in division 5 in Moldova.

So Can at 23 is young but Markovic at 22 is too old

Only you,Toby.

5starpool

Hopefully Toby never applies for the role of director of football anyhow.

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

.....
I figure if he has great work rate and goals, then he can be improved in quality. These players are two a penny.

Seriously flawed logic IMO.
Plenty strikers in the championship have great work rate & score. Quality isn't picked up on the training ground..... as our defence continues to show us.

niallo27

Lads I'm drinking all day and I'm devastated. I tell myself not to care but I can't stop. **** everything.

We're still 3rd.....ppg is decent..... lots to play for

garra

corcaigh07 wrote: »

Things are so tight, we could do with smashing Swansea by 5 goals.

1 would have been nice

niallo27

Augeo wrote: »

We're still 3rd.....ppg is decent..... lots to play for

Yes damage limitation was ok today

Iused2likebusts

I was at the game today. It was really poor fare. How can you concede 3 goals to a team that doesn't even attack. Players I rate like hendo and milner were really poor. The front 3 barely touched the ball all we did was pass the ball from hendo to either full back. Sturridge barely touched the ball when he came on. Firmino was excellent with the limited service he got and looked really sharp which was the only positive. Can was shocking.

Harry Palmr

Augeo wrote: »

We're still 3rd.....ppg is decent..... lots to play for

Off a cliff on the form guide though.