Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Turtyturd

Gbear wrote: »

Pity we don't have any at the moment.

Much better option than Sturridge in Origi.

Although if this was Klopp putting him in the shop window for Southampton and they're stupid enough to fall for it it'll dull the pain of this loss.

noodler

Finally coming around to the idea of Sturridge leaving.

Fowler87

Big test for Jurgen Klopp to get this team going again. We're no better than Rodgers side from 14/15 onwards at the moment.

Osmosis Jones

I do wish we threw some money about and made a panic signing on the 1st of January though, we'd have won every game this month had we done that.

Pepp1989

Lord Trollington wrote:

Sturridge is top class. Anyone that says he's not is deluded . He just doesn't suit the way we play.

Well there was nothing top class about his miss when it was easier to score. That was the moment.

klose

Fa cup at the weekend and I doubt anyone can say we go into the the game with any confidence, then chelsea midweek season could be looking extremely grim come this day week.....

newballsplease

marklazarcovic wrote: »

lets see the manager explain this one,great crowd for 90 mins,tripe performance.. 100 % peno not give again as well, something is very wrong .

Don't think it was as convincing a peno as some think.
A guess for the ref

54and56

Augeo wrote: »

Iirc I said that

A full Gegeinpressing style of play over a full English season probably requires a full squad of players (no dross, no 18 year olds) who rotate very frequently and all subs are used every game. A full deep squad capable of interchanging. Not something we currently have :mad:

kingshankly

Team look out on there feet this pressing early in the season might work in country's with a winter break but looks to have our lads knackered

Potential Underachiever

Sturridge clearly doesn't fit the system and is clearly playing shyte, so why did he get 90 minutes tonight?

emo72

Tired. Out of ideas. No inspiration. ****ed.

martyos121

Not that he's the only one to blame, but Sturridge's two most dedicated defenders on here have gone awfully quiet.

rob316

That was as bad as anything that was served up under rodgers. However while klopp takes a lot of the blame the squad isn't good enough.

I still don't know what emre can does?
We need a striker, not a broken sturridge.
Depending on a clearly unfit coutinho to win a match is a joke.
Firmino still has a long way to go to prove himself.
Milner has done a great job but needs help.

Why is klopp so afraid to make an early sub? Origi on the 78th minute was a joke. It clearly needed changes at half time

Turtyturd

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

We pressed United
How exactly can we press anyone when we have the ball for 75% of the time. This is why we beat the bigger clubs who actually want to play football and lose to teams like Swansea and Southampton who give us ball.
Our plan B needs review as you can't press when you have ball, only without.

Very strange that people don't notice this.

niallo27

Fowler87 wrote: »

Big test for Jurgen Klopp to get this team going again. We're no better than Rodgers side from 14/15 onwards at the moment.

In fairness we had one of the best players in the world up front back then.

Alonso77

Last few performances have been of the latter Rodgers era level of ineptness.

Klopp has to sort this out and fast. As much as the players are to blame, he is most defo not getting the best out of them at the mo.

Kerrigooney

I see the lads that only post when things are going tits up are back :rolleyes:

We need Mr Alan to make a full house.

Good luck.

Utopia Parkway

Ultimately whether it's Klopp or the club or both but they've tried to do this with a small squad this season and it's falling apart at the seams now because the depth in the squad isn't there. The first team players look completely jaded from having to play every game and the bench is half full of kids. You can forget Sturridge. Not the same player anymore.

We did buy players last Summer but we didn't invest, making an actual profit in transfers and it looks like we're refusing to spend in January. Don't want to hear this bollocks about you can't get the players. Offer enough money for anyone and they'll be sold.

Been crap now since the City game and that was a full month ago.

Lord Trollington

murpho999 wrote: »

Pretty much a full team out tonight, only Mane missing.

He bought plenty in the summer. Who would you have wanted him to buy this month that would slot straight into the time and fit in?

Coutinho only back from injury, Matip first game back after long lay off. TAA hardly first team. Sturridge is a walking injury and has started little, he has absolutely no form. Henderson ongoing heel problem . A left back that isn't a left back . No striker proper striker.

Origi is not good enough , wouldn't feature in any of the other top 6.

Like it's laughable to suggest we don't need to sign better first team players or at least better back up .

He bought fcuk all in the summer really relative to what we needed .

~Rebel~

Y'know, I actually feel really sorry for Sturridge. From his point of view, it must be so immensely frustrating to have lost that much pace. To see options, and want to do things he used to do, but simply can't anymore.

His legs are 10 paces behind his head now. Gone from one of the fastest in the league to distinctly average paced. Our slowest centre forward by a distance now.

Ben Gadot

Bleh.

That is all.

Je_suis_Jean

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

A full Gegeinpressing style of play over a full English season probably requires a full squad of players (no dross, no 18 year olds) who rotate very frequently and all subs are used every game. A full deep squad capable of interchanging. Not something we currently have :mad:

...... and iirc folks here were adamant no plan b required.

Osmosis Jones

Strange that all the neutrals know it wasn't a penalty even though they only started watching after Long's goal.

Fowler87 wrote: »

Big test for Jurgen Klopp to get this team going again. We're no better than Rodgers side from 14/15 onwards at the moment.

That form under Rodgers lasted over a year though, we've been going poor for a month or so now, it's really not great to see but it's still a way off that crisis.

mosstin

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Look, we were terrible for both legs, no one's denying that. Southampton deserved to win of course, but that doesn't excuse a clear penalty that could easily have us in Extra Time right now. We missed some chances, we played like shít, but chances are we'd still be fighting if the ref didn't fcuk it up, or better yet if they'd stop whinging and just implement video referees already.

Seriously, this bugs me hugely. We always seem to have an 'excuse' to hand. We do like a whinge when we lose but this had absolutely nothing to do with the ref. We have greater problems than supposed refereeing inconsistency.

BorneTobyWilde

If you can't win it ,don't lose it.
It's why Spurs draw a lot of games, they keep the defensive line even in attack.

Lord Trollington

Pepp1989 wrote: »

Well there was nothing top class about his miss when it was easier to score. That was the moment.

He's not starting for us and had no form . I wouldn't blame him

murpho999

niallo27 wrote: »

In fairness we had one of the best players in the world up front back then.

No, he left in summer '14.

SuperTortoise

Just such a negative performance, Henderson, Can , Lovren and most of the team have a fixation with sideways passing just for the sake of it, Matip was the only one willing to carry the ball forward.

Very worrying is our form at the minute, no creativity and no movement, we make it so easy to defend against, the opposition know all they have to do is stick 10 behind the ball and play narrow, thats it!

5starpool

Big dilemma for the weekend, especially with the Chelsea game on Tuesday. Do we play an out of form bunch of first teamers with the league game coming up in order to try and get them a win of any sort in our last chance for a trophy this season, or do we make 8+ changes and risk getting knocked out in that way so meaning our season boils down (almost certainly) to a race for top 4 by the end of Jan?

~Rebel~

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Y'know, I actually feel really sorry for Sturridge. From his point of view, it must be so immensely frustrating to have lost that much pace. To see options, and want to do things he used to do, but simply can't anymore.

His legs are 10 paces behind his head now. Gone from one of the fastest in the league to distinctly average paced. Our slowest centre forward by a distance now.

I'm sure he'll be fine TBH.
Least of our worries IMO..... we seem to be ineffective without mane but iirc we weren't great with him last few games + he played either.

niallo27

murpho999 wrote: »

No, he left in summer '14.

Oh right to say we are not in a better place have suarez left is ****en madness.

~Rebel~

Augeo wrote: »

I'm sure he'll be fine TBH.
Least of our worries IMO..... we seem to be ineffective without mane but iirc we weren't great with him last few games + he played either.

If we miss any of our first choice front 3 we struggle. For those performances, we had Mane but were missing Coutinho. We need a proper option to come in when Coutinho, Firmino, or Mane are missing. Toothless as soon as one is gone.

This is just a trough in form. Inevitable it'd happen.... happens every team. How long it'll last is the worry.... along with how much of an overshoot was our peak in form.

kevthegaff

It's Stevie G

Pepp1989

Lord Trollington wrote:

He's not starting for us and had no form . I wouldn't blame him

He is a natural finisher. Shouldn't be missing those. Played a bit lately and couldn't really have been closer. I blame him for the miss. Would blame anyone in red for missing that

Ardent

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Sturridge is top class. Anyone that says he's not is deluded . He just doesn't suit the way we play.

He was good when he had buckets of pace and energy! But not too much of that anymore.

And he's just not good enough technically. He doesn't have Suarez's coat tails to hang on to anymore.

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

Seriously, this bugs me hugely. We always seem to have an 'excuse' to hand. We do like a whinge when we lose but this had absolutely nothing to do with the ref. We have greater problems than supposed refereeing inconsistency.

Jamie C actually saying no pen just now on SS1. Didnt deserve it anyway over 2 legs. A bleak Jan overall. Only a week left in the transfer window. Cant see anything happening there tbh. We've hit a wall, so serious work for Herr Klopp ahead to rescue the season.

fyfe79

kingshankly wrote: »

Team look out on there feet this pressing early in the season might work in country's with a winter break but looks to have our lads knackered

This could very well be true - Klopp has never had to contend with any games over the christmas period, let alone such a full-on busy schedule.

Someone on the match thread pointed out that we've failed to score in 3 games against Southampton this season. That truly is terrible. Worse when you consider they were missing both of their first choice center halves tonight.

Lord Trollington

2/3 decent signings would easily transform us and give the squad a lease of life . Not world class 100m signings. Decent signings better than Origi , TAA , Can.

Also I genuinely feel Milner is a top top class pro but really limits us on the left

Gbear

rob316 wrote: »

That was as bad as anything that was served up under rodgers.

Nah.

It was broadly speaking competent.
It wasn't a shambles or a team not playing for their manager.

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Just such a negative performance, Henderson, Can , Lovren and most of the team have a fixation with sideways passing just for the sake of it, Matip was the only one willing to carry the ball forward.

There's always two sides to this.

Despite having Sturridge, Lallana and Coutinho on the pitch, we were very often left with no vertical pass option for Henderson.

You'd need to break it down and analyse it properly but I suspect that was down to Southampton and how they defended.

Of course, that's not a magic defensive bullet. You play around that with width.
Instead we'd make an extra pass, play into feet of someone marked by 6 players. Stop. Pass backwards. Rinse. Reapeat.
It was also punctuated by giving the ball away and getting counter-attacked.

Technically everything was pretty much working and we nearly forced it through, but as an attacking system it was woefully inadequate.

Osmosis Jones

Gonna bring up Milner here. He's been a great solution to our left back problem, better than almost anyone could have imagined. When Klopp said that we were going to go into this season with him as first choice the season felt over before it started but he's been a revelation.

In saying that, his inadequacies in the position are becoming more and more noticeable and problematic, especially now when we're focusing on him more to help out in attack.

Firstly, he's so predictable, every single time he's going to run it down the wing, cut back, and deliver a cross that more often than not gets cleared by a defender placed casually in front of whatever 5'8 lad he was aiming for. There's very little threat of him taking his man on down the wing and bringing it down the line into the box for a cut back.

He's got no pace. He's not slow by any means, not Carra slow anyway, but for a system that cries out for blistering fullbacks to join in on attack Milner doesn't exactly fill me with hope, when attacking he's just a midfielder standing on the wing.

This isn't huge criticism or some attempt to "throw him under the bus" or anything, just a problem that really only a proper fullback can fix.

Harry Palmr

5starpool wrote: »

Big dilemma for the weekend, especially with the Chelsea game on Tuesday. Do we play an out of form bunch of first teamers with the league game coming up in order to try and get them a win of any sort in our last chance for a trophy this season, or do we make 8+ changes and risk getting knocked out in that way so meaning our season boils down (almost certainly) to a race for top 4 by the end of Jan?

Sod the FA Cup (relatively speaking) top 4 is what matters this and every season. Play a change side - basically the one that played Ipswich in the U23 cup game at the weekend.

Potential Underachiever

We are looking nailed on for 6th place at the minute, we're completely chucking this season away, I wouldn't fancy us to beat anybody at the minute.

martyos121

Feckin overreaction central in here. :rolleyes:

citytillidie

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Strange that all the neutrals know it wasn't a penalty even though they only started watching after Long's goal.

and their fake outrage at it me asking when the league cup was big again and it is not longer a mickey mouse cup, thinking i was aiming it at Southampton fans and being bitter :pac:

Potential Underachiever

martyos121 wrote: »

Feckin overreaction central in here. :rolleyes:

When does it stop being an overreaction when we've won what 1 in 7 scraping a win against Plymouth? Relegation form at the minute.

Osmosis Jones

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you can't win it ,don't lose it.
It's why Spurs draw a lot of games, they keep the defensive line even in attack.

In a cup game...that we went into already losing...

Pepp1989

martyos121 wrote:

Feckin overreaction central in here.

Not as bad as usual. I think people are right to be worried. Big slump at this stage. Season in real danger of derailing

Osmosis Jones

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

We are looking nailed on for 6th place at the minute, we're completely chucking this season away, I wouldn't fancy us to beat anybody at the minute.

Nailed on for 6th even though we haven't dropped that low in months. Stick you're house on it sure, plenty to be made if it's so obvious.

Fairly damning indictment of Sturridge there by Jamie C: "when he doesn't score Liverpool are down to 10 men".