Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

spockety

Statement of intent required in the summer - smash everything that needs to be smashed in order to bring Suarez back to anfield.

OwaynOTT

Looks lads you know in your heart of hearts what slattsy has said is true. The first step is accepting it and moving on.
I'm glad that someone who has played at a certain level has graced us with his presence and I'm going to bask in the glow of his righteousness.

TitianGerm

Charlie19 wrote: »

We're still like the The Rodgers team, too much attack and not enough cover for the defense, the balance isn't right.

Henderson would still be one of the first names in the starting XI but I'd have him slightly forward along side Lalanna, We're still lacking that deep lying MF to breakup play.

If you get someone like Dahoud in then our midfield changes alot.

You play Dahoud deep and Henderson and Lalana/Wij ahead. If someone needs a rest Henderson can drop deep and Lalana and Wij play ahead. Or Can plays deeps and two of the other three play ahead.

We are short of good quality options in there to rest players/give them a break if thier form drops.

jesus_thats_gre

emmetkenny wrote: »

If you get someone like Dahoud in then our midfield changes alot.

You play Dahoud deep and Henderson and Lalana/Wij ahead. If someone needs a rest Henderson can drop deep and Lalana and Wij play ahead. Or Can plays deeps and two of the other three play ahead.

We are short of good quality options in there to rest players/give them a break if thier form drops.

He just turned 21 last month, yeah?

SlickRic

noodler wrote: »

Here as in on boards?

I don't catch every post on here but I haven't read anyone calling for his head.

No, I've not seen it on boards. But an uncomfortable amount elsewhere.

Agent Coulson

This is what Liverpool are now and have been for the last 26 seasons it's the hope that we have that team ready to break the hoodoo that kills you.

TitianGerm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

He just turned 21 last month, yeah?

Dahoud? I thought he was around 24? He looks to be a very very good player and would add something different to the team.

mosstin

SlickRic wrote: »

No, I've not seen it on boards. But an uncomfortable amount elsewhere.

It's the culture, the need for instant gratification/success that's pretty much everywhere and not just confined to sport. There is no time or patience for building something, but it's especially prevalent in football where Sky Sports set the agenda and most who watch - but never attend - matches start to take what the likes of Merson, Nicholas, Le Tiss et al spout as gospel.

Kerrigooney

mosstin wrote: »

It's the culture, the need for instant gratification/success that's pretty much everywhere and not just confined to sport. There is no time or patience for building something, but it's especially prevalent in football where Sky Sports set the agenda and most who watch - but never attend - matches start to take what the likes of Merson, Nicholas, Le Tiss et al spout as gospel.

Those lads are good for a laugh an odd time but when people start taking what they say seriously the mind boggles.

mosstin

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Those lads are good for a laugh an odd time but when people start taking what they say seriously the mind boggles.

Merson is a bellend of the highest order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpaXl7kQmAw

Turtyturd

I only play 5 a side at lunch these days but it's hard to disagree with that.

Kerrigooney

mosstin wrote: »

Merson is a bellend of the highest order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpaXl7kQmAw

Said it to my mate during the week...I think himself and Glenn Hoddle actually have something wrong with them as in I think they're both a bit mentally ill in some way.

Agent Coulson

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Said it to my mate during the week...I think himself and Glenn Hoddle actually have something wrong with them as in I think they're both a bit mentally ill in some way.

Paying for his sins in a previous life I'm sure.

mikeym

I havent seen Liverpool this bad since BR was at the club.

DrumSteve

I do find that these results are great for weeding out the bandwagoners.

Like most people on here I'll support the team regardless, win/lose/draw.

Granted that was awful yesterday but not for a second do I imagine Klopp not seeing the same thing and working to fix it.

Chin up.

Blondie919

DrumSteve wrote: »

I do find that these results are great for weeding out the bandwagoners.

Like most people on here I'll support the team regardless, win/lose/draw.

Granted that was awful yesterday but not for a second do I imagine Klopp not seeing the same thing and working to fix it.

Chin up.

Agree here. As bad as yesterday was, as much as it infuriated me, as much as I swore I'd not watch them for a while and as much as it saddens me that these overpaid people who enjoy their work but are not working so good lately, by the time the next matchday comes I'll have told myself that this is the one they'll win. And I WILL watch it no doubt. And I will cheer for them even though they won't hear me. This is what we supporters do. It's frustrating being a Liverpool fan but that's what I am. As bad as it can get you just have to try to stay positive. Cos when it's good, it's damn good!

Kerrigooney

DrumSteve wrote: »

I do find that these results are great for weeding out the bandwagoners.
.

It's nice to see the lads that only post when things are going tits up too.

When someone hasn't posted for a while I get a bit worried about them. Stupid maybe but just the way I am.

Blondie919

Vicxas wrote: »

Can we stitch Mignolet and Karius together? Is that legal?

Two wrongs don't make a right. That bag of turf mosstin wants to play in goal would probably be more mobile that the two of them!

Iused2likebusts

Break the bank for a goalkeeper in the summer. It would solve a lot of the problems. Its hard to believe we have IMO the worst keeper in the league.

Gbear

I think I can score some barbituates if anyone wants to knock together some Kool Aid.

mickmackey1

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Its hard to believe we have IMO the worst keeper in the league.

And Mig isn't great either...







.... :pac:

Blondie919

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Break the bank for a goalkeeper in the summer. It would solve a lot of the problems. Its hard to believe we have IMO the worst keeper in the league.

What keepers are/will be available? Actually doesn't really matter. Anyone would be better than Mignolet.

charolais0153

Bravo is terrible for city, MIGs is slightly better than him with regards shot stopping I would javesaid but of course this is e thrad for melodramatics

jesus_thats_gre

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bravo is terrible for city, MIGs is slightly better than him with regards shot stopping I would javesaid but of course this is e thrad for melodramatics

If anything, it just goes to emphasise the impact that a bad keeper can have on the whole team.

Iused2likebusts

Blondie919 wrote: »

What keepers are/will be available? Actually doesn't really matter. Anyone would be better than Mignolet.

Id go for heaton however he isn't good with the ball at his feet so probably isn't under consideration. The modern game is stupid at times a goalkeeper is there to keep the ball out of the net first and foremost. Apart from a goalscorer goalkeeper is the most important position I feel.

DrumSteve

Always thought Forster from Southampton was decent.

If nothing else, if we buy him we can put him on the loyalty card they gave us previously.

Talisman

There was plenty wrong with the team yesterday and I don't think it can be blamed on Klopp.

As early as the 6-7th minute, there was evidence that Matip wasn't marking. Hull broke up their left and crossed the ball into the area. Matip had let the forward unmarked and was 5-10 yards away from him when the ball got into the area. Fortunately the cross came to nothing but the signs were there that Matip wasn't switched on to the game.

For the fatal corner, the Liverpool team were more concerned with taking up space rather than tracking players. Hull stationed three players on the edge of the area, one on the penalty spot and one on the near post. Liverpool were static while the Hull players went for the ball. Matip only seemed to notice that there were opposition players about as N'Diaye breezed past him on his way to tap the ball into the net. For a brief moment Matip went with the player, then remembered the ball was being crossed and decided to jump for it. His indecision meant the Hull players got the jump on him, and the rest of the defence was taken out of the game with their idiotic swarm movement.

After the West Ham game in December, Karius was criticised for failing to come for the ball early enough when Antonio scored. In the post match interview, Klopp made the point that Matip missed a header which had lead to the the keeper being exposed.

My intention is not a rant against Matip, rather it is to point out that he is not without fault in the defensive mess that the team finds itself in.

Can may as well not have been on the pitch yesterday, his passing was sloppy and he offers nothing when faced with a wall of players. In games like yesterday, his double screw up leading to the corner tends to get overlooked given the way that Mignolet dealt with the high ball.

Under Klopp, Liverpool have been a team stronger than the sum of its parts – that's a credit to the manager. We will continue to see performances like yesterday until he has a squad of his own players. The decision in the summer to make do with the players that were in the squad has bitten him in the ass. This team needs a new spine and maybe now the manager realises it. If the first team isn't in rhythm then getting a result is in doubt, if the players are on autopilot then things go south in games.

There are signs that Klopp is getting frustrated with the players - the language he used post match has changed. Previously, he would have put his finger on a moment in the game where there was a mistake that cost the team. Yesterday it was simply we gave away the first half and that made him angry.

Post match interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrKHwRoYUE

Post match press conference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrATLJj00kQ

I'm glad he said that we need to forget about the Champions League and focus on proving we are worthy of playing such games.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

Kerrigooney wrote: »

It's nice to see the lads that only post when things are going tits up too.

When someone hasn't posted for a while I get a bit worried about them. Stupid maybe but just the way I am.

Such tripe.

Carry on with the circle jerk lads.

Everything is just fine!

duffman13

DrumSteve wrote: »

Always thought Forster from Southampton was decent.

If nothing else, if we buy him we can put him on the loyalty card they gave us previously.

I always thought so too but he has been so bad this season, numerous mistakes and I think was statistically worse than Bravo. Watching him since he came back from injury he just looks slower to react to everything. Heaton is a good keeper and hasn't got the same hype around him of say Butland but is similar in quality. Could be a good signing

Harry Palmr

If you want to see a decent Liverpool performance and game then this will have to do!

1 PM KO it's on "the telly" if you have LFC TV.

U23s Starting XI vs Spurs: Grabara; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Whelan, Randall; Stewart; Wilson, Virtue, Woodburn, Ojo; Brewster

Kelleher, Hart, J Williams, Alves, T Gomes

Turtyturd

Talisman wrote: »

I'm glad he said that we need to forget about the Champions League and focus on proving we are worthy of playing such games.

That quote would make it seem like he thinks it's a mentality issue that's responsible for the current run.

Agree re: Can and the corner. Didn't notice he was responsible yesterday but was fuming at it. We make too many of those stupid individual mistakes that put us under pressure, like Karius kicking the ball out for a corner from a goal kick, and even yesterday Moreno busted a guy to stop a ball going out for a throw and back heeled it to a Hull player to launch a counter they nearly scored from.

StringerBell

mosstin wrote: »

Merson is a bellend of the highest order.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpaXl7kQmAw

Thompson doesn't do himself any favours either, when does he ever I suppose.

Slattsy

Slattsy wrote: »

Ah Liverpool fans on Boards.

General full of lads that never played football in their lives. Pathetic really. Live on the couch watching from afar. Get a gf lads ffs.

I said as the start of the season 6th was about the position we'd end up. As someone that has common sense and played at a certain level, it's pretty transparent. Of course I got some stick. Opinions etc. Brain dead clowns. It's boards. Full of kids.

Hopefully this doesn't turn into another Rafael fan boy **** fest, but it probably will.

Klopp is under pressure. Hopefully he sees things better this year.

Great post, as in amusing

I'd say you are late 20s and work for some brainwashing specialists like KPMG, J&J or Aldi and just got a decent performance appraisal so think you are flying high in life..... the rest of us were fork lift drivers when jobs bridge was about in your eyes.

Your Mrs probably wouldn't be taken out by a hitman (pics or STFU BTW)

I agree with 6th, above that was always going to be an overachievement IMO.

Who did you play for BTW? If not even a senior league side I'll laugh me balls off but I know of plenty brain dead clowns who are ex pro.... merson par example

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

Augeo wrote: »

Great post, as in amusing

I'd say you are late 20s and work for some brainwashing specialists like KPMG, J&J or Aldi and just got a decent performance appraisal so think you are flying high in life..... the rest of us were fork lift drivers when jobs bridge was about in your eyes.

Your Mrs probably wouldn't be taken out by a hitman (pics or STFU BTW)

I agree with 6th, above that was always going to be an overachievement IMO.

Who did you play for BTW? If not even a senior league side I'll laugh me balls off but I know of plenty brain dead clowns who are ex pro.... merson par example

This brightened up my Sunday :-)

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

If you want to see a decent Liverpool performance and game then this will have to do!

1 PM KO it's on "the telly" if you have LFC TV.

U23s Starting XI vs Spurs: Grabara; Alexander-Arnold, Gomez, Whelan, Randall; Stewart; Wilson, Virtue, Woodburn, Ojo; Brewster

Kelleher, Hart, J Williams, Alves, T Gomes

Kevin Stewart having a total mare of a game. Spurs 0-2

Edit Wilson with peno - Wilson scores. 22 goals this season apparently! 1-2

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mikeym wrote: »

I havent seen Liverpool this bad since BR was at the club.

Were they ever that bad over a six-week period?

I'm going out on a limb here and blaming players rather than Klopp. The defnese is making the kind of mistakes that no amount of coaching can account for.

I know he brought them in and traisn them but at some point you either have the mental ability to concentrate for the 90 mins or you don't and if you don't - well, step aside and let someone else do it

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Kevin Stewart having a total mare of a game. Spurs 0-2

Edit Wilson with peno - Wilson scores. 22 goals this season apparently! 1-2

First team permanence imminent:pac:

BorneTobyWilde

We have too many going through the motions and too many that are happy with a goal and to lose than to win. When you see Firmino running off into the corner to celebrate and dance at 1-2 down against Swansea it says a lot. Lovern was like WTF , and so was Milner and Henderson. They had to go over to drag him up.
I'm sure the likes of Firmino had a good nights sleep last night, while I woke up traumatised by this result.
We see so many nice touches, little 1-2's, but we see no ****ing FIGHT! No one gets stuck in like a Roy Keane would, like a Suarez would, like a Gerrard would. You need someone to rally the players on the pitch, someone to go eye to eye nose to nose with an opponent to get the fight started. We simply go through a game afraid to upset the opposition. Henderson needs to be picking fights on the pitch, getting angry, setting an example. He gives it all while being as quite as a church mouse.

Harry Palmr

Buford T.Justice V wrote: »

First team permanence imminent:pac:

He's been terrible - undercooked passes, slow reaction times when in possession in dangerous places (as you'd expect being a DM). Hopefully he can be replaced PDQ after the break. TAA by contrast is having a very good game in attack - does the things Clyne can't/won't do despite being more comfortable on his left foot than right. Wilson and Brewster very lively, the keeper Grabara has done well, had no real chance with the goals.

Ojo 2-2 nice solo effort, two or three other near misses since including Brewster shooting for the stars when through on goal.

8-10

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

charolais0153 wrote: »

Bravo is terrible for city, MIGs is slightly better than him with regards shot stopping I would javesaid but of course this is e thrad for melodramatics

If anything, it just goes to emphasise the impact that a bad keeper can have on the whole team.

Disagree with this as the main issue. Not going to defend Mignolet's performance but it wasn't his fault that we didn't score. If you have the best keeper in the world playing for us yesterday we still would have drawn 0-0.

The crux of our bad run is that our tactics from earlier in the season have been found out by other teams. Let us have the ball, defend very narrow to force us down the flanks and you'll find we struggle to create clear cut chances.

We need to change our approach to start winning games again. We need to create different types of chances. We need to get the best out of Coutinho and Mané. I'm not offering solutions on how we do this as it's not up to me, but it needs to happen.

The goalkeeper is not at fault for not scoring more. The goalkeeper situation won't be resolved until the summer. So something else needs to change

8-10

8-10 wrote: »

....We need to get the best out of Coutinho and Mané. ....

The goalkeeper is not at fault for not scoring more. The goalkeeper situation won't be resolved until the summer. So something else needs to change

..... and central Bobby

Gbear

There's a big post on Reddit of a summary of a thread made by a Liverpool fan asking Dortmund fans about Klopp.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/5s5586/dortmund_fans_on_our_****show_of_2017/

I went over to the Borussia Dormtund subreddit to see what they had to say. I would link it, but I don't post on Reddit too often, so I'm not sure how to link other threads. Their answers were really insightful, and I feel a lot more confident going forward. I also want to mention that while I wrote some stupid things in the post like questioning whether Klopp will bring success to this club, I don't really feel that way. I kinda lost my head after the Hull defeat, as against the bottom five, we've taken one point out of nine, which isn't good enough. I think as you scroll through the comments, you'll find that I've calmed down as time has passed by. Also, being out sick with a fever doesn't really help. Key talking points for me:

1) The reason Jurgen Klopp doesn't change his tactics is that he wants to play the team into them. He has the ability to tinker, as we saw against Man United and Man City, but won't do it often to ensure the players really get behind the system. Maybe this means our players still haven't adapted to Klopp's playing style completely yet. Credit to /u/Loeffellux for that one.

2) If a player doesn't one hundred percent buy into Klopp's philosophy, he'll get sold. This tells me that despite what we want to think, Daniel Sturridge probably doesn't have much of a future here.

3) I found this one the most interesting: /u/Icantrememberlogins wrote that if a player looks ****, but Klopp believes in them, its worth being patient. He cites Schmelzer, Lewandowski, and Mkhitaryan as examples. This would probably be why he keeps selecting Emre Can, who has been garbage this season, but has looked world class in the Europa League games last season. I'd still play Gini personally, but Can isn't going anywhere, because Klopp sees potential in him. While some of you may scoff at that, keep in mind Mkhitaryan was hot garbage until his last season at Dortmund, and Lewandowski didn't become a regular starter until Lucas Barios left the club.

4) The BVB fans back Klopp to turn it around and get us into the top four. /u/TheTrolledOne thinks that Chelsea have just been too good for anyone this season, and that they'd probably win the Champions League if they were in it. I'd probably have to agree with that sentiment, because keep in mind, their entire starting XI bar Moses and Alonso have won league titles before. Meanwhile, outside of Milner, no one in our squad has lifted one of the major trophies of UCL, Premier League, or FA Cup before. We're going through a major rebuild, and unlike City or United, we haven't had any form of success in a major competition for a long, long time. /u/MrMountainFace says that even though clubs like City and United have top tier managers and have invested in world class players with their money warchests, we've still outperformed them thus far. He says we will stablize in time. Honestly, this really caught my eye, because while City and United have played out of this world at times this season, they're currently in the same boat as us in terms of being in the middle of a rebuild. Their players have struggled for consistency throughout the season as well, which is why players like Kevin De Bruyne and Paul Pogba have been missing for large parts of the season; they're not one hundred percent used to the manager's tactics yet. It could be a reason why our players have dropped off recently as well.

5) They're not a hundred percent sure what to make of our players. /u/Jonhl15 wrote that the absences of Coutinho, Mane, Dejan, and Matip have made us look a lot worse than we actually are. However, /u/Icantrememberlogins says that there are very few players at the current LFC squad that he'd take at BVB, which is a fair assessment imo. As to whether they're good enough to finish top four, /u/MrMountainFace says we'll have to hope tactics work and let things run their course.

6) Finally, /u/Icantrememberlogins mentions that City, United, and Chelsea are all under greater pressure than us to finish in the top four, considering their pedigree and success in recent years. There's a high chance we won't make top four, but that isn't our focus is it? He writes that Klopp will obviously attempt to win every trophy, because that's the type of manager that he is, but right now, he's still working towards getting the right squad and giving key players minutes to ensure their consistency. We don't have all the right pieces, but look at how long it took for Coutinho to become a world class player (and after today's performance, debates over his consistency are going to start again). Origi, Emre, and Karius have had moments, but they're going to need minutes and experience.

Now I want to quickly state this isn't a call to be positive, or a post to call out those who are cynical. We all handle defeats and bad form differently. Some of us are pessimists, and thats fine, while others are overly optimistic, but that's also fine. The point of this post was to get the views from the Borussia Dortmund fans on our situation. The consensus is that our squad isn't that good, and we might not make top four. However, from their experience, we should be prepared for that, as it took them a while to get going under Klopp as well, and they were on the fence over players like Lewandowski and Mkhitaryan initially. We should prepare for some horrible results up ahead, yet, we should also be prepared to celebrate success. I'd like to apologize for any comments that might portray the fanbase as overreactionary or anything like that. You guys are the best, and there's a reason why I come to this sub after a victory or defeat. Lets just wait it out and see what happens, and enjoy the ride. We'll cuss out Emre Can and Simon Mignolet together, and we'll drop our jaws at a Coutinho beauty together. It doesn't matter what happens, because we still have a chance. Let me know what you guys think about the rest of the season, and a huge thank you to the Dortmund fans for taking out their time and letting us know their opinion on ****.

The thread in question, if you're interested:
https://www.reddit.com/r/borussiadortmund/comments/5s2qpy/about_jurgen_klopp/

So essentially, Klopp's not blind about the likes of Can. He just really believes in him and thinks there'll be a pay off later down the line.
It explains why he's happy to do things like give TAA his debut against Utd.

He has well established behaviour of sacrificing short term in favour of the long term.

The big concern I'd have with him is that irrespective of whether our squad is going in the right direction, it's doing so quite slowly, and while I'd imagine we can hang on to pretty much everyone, Coutinho, for example will probably leave the summer after next.
Klopp has shown a willingness to replace top class players and be pretty ruthless in replacing players who aren't right for the squad but I don't think other than Can, Matip and Coutinho, there's anyone who even has the potential to be world class.

Only a few teams have world class players in every position, but I'd wonder if we'll be able to assemble a team like Benitez managed, or find the core of insane quality like Rodgers had, or will we be constantly treading water with a team and a squad that's consistently 5th or 6th best.

Harry Palmr

Super Kev! 3-2 Great ball in from TAA

Agent Coulson

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Super Kev! 3-2 Great ball in from TAA

Typical sky sports generation fan

Writing off a lad and then making him a world beater and then writing him off again before hailing him as the best in the world all in the same 90 minutes :P

TitianGerm

8-10 wrote: »

Disagree with this as the main issue. Not going to defend Mignolet's performance but it wasn't his fault that we didn't score. If you have the best keeper in the world playing for us yesterday we still would have drawn 0-0.

The crux of our bad run is that our tactics from earlier in the season have been found out by other teams. Let us have the ball, defend very narrow to force us down the flanks and you'll find we struggle to create clear cut chances.

We need to change our approach to start winning games again. We need to create different types of chances. We need to get the best out of Coutinho and Mané. I'm not offering solutions on how we do this as it's not up to me, but it needs to happen.

The goalkeeper is not at fault for not scoring more. The goalkeeper situation won't be resolved until the summer. So something else needs to change

In the games you won't score it's even more important for the keeper to keep a clean sheet.

I don't mind the odd clanger but Ming has had so many at this stage.

Turtyturd

Great post from Reddit, those lads must be top level professional footballers over there.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Typical sky sports generation fan

Writing off a lad and then making him a world beater and then writing him off again before hailing him as the best in the world all in the same 90 minutes :P

That header was just about the only quality from him today. Being caught in possession in the 90th.

FT 3-2, good game good game.



Spurs ended up fouling Woodburn, Wilson etc quite a bit in the second half as the home side played with the sort of quick paced hard-working aplomb that has quite deserted the seniors, TAA was excellent overall, Grabara at 18 is a real prospect. Needed that after yesterday.

Kerrigooney

Amanda Tasteless Lanyard wrote: »

Such tripe.

Carry on with the circle jerk lads.

Everything is just fine!

Are you sure you quoted the right post because I cant see what the hell your post has to do with the one of mine you quoted. Explain please.

qm1bv4p8i92aoj

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Are you sure you quoted the right post because I cant see what the hell your post has to do with the one of mine you quoted. Explain please.

Are you feeling a bit slow today?

Yourself and drumsteve posted about people only commenting on here when results are going the wrong way.

Anything else you need me to explain for you today? Maybe how to tie your shoelaces or maybe how to wipe your hole?

Like I said tripe.

Utopia Parkway

And City get an injury time winner.