Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

NukaCola

Charlie19 wrote: »

New manager excuse:D

Phew, we were getting light on excuses there for a while! :pac:

mosstin

mosstin wrote: »

Just throwing it out there. We badly need a LB. United look like they'll jettison Luke Shaw. Wouldn't happen of course but if it did, I'd have him here.

Dunkin Donughts could swing it

klose

".......and it's 3-0! The post raniari Leicester now look like their former selves after the controversial sacking of their league winning manager only a few days ago. Liverpool and Jurgen klopp look on in shock."

5starpool

Yep, guaranteed loss now on Monday.

Charlie19

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Lucas Interview

Cheers for that, it was a good listen.

He's a proper Gent.

Spoke very highly of Kenny as the Manager, saying that it was his favorite time at the club.

Agent Coulson

He's out of a job now so he is shilling his story hoping to get a new one is my bet. Next Leicester manager maybe,

Frank de Boer reveals he rejected Liverpool job in 2012

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10778411/frank-de-boer-reveals-he-rejected-liverpool-job-in-2012

OwaynOTT

Wins the league and gets sacked despite making it to the knock round of the chamilpions league and still in with a shout.
Madness.
Especially when some clubs are happy with just getting fourth and getting stuffed in the first round of the knock out stages.
And Moynes.

NukaCola

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He's out of a job now so he is shilling his story hoping to get a new one is my bet. Next Leicester manager maybe,

Frank de Boer reveals he rejected Liverpool job in 2012

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/10778411/frank-de-boer-reveals-he-rejected-liverpool-job-in-2012

We'll see where his career takes him. I dont think anyone at LFC are regretting him passing us up tbh.

8-10

NukaCola wrote: »

We'll see where his career takes him. I dont think anyone at LFC are regretting him passing us up tbh.

He's a good coach. Wouldn't have said he'd be any better or worse than Rodgers who we got instead. Would have been interesting to see if he would have taken any of the Ajax lads with him, a good few went to the PL after 2012 - Blind, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld.

I realise he sold those players but I reckon that was more because the players were moving on to something bigger rather than not being needed. So had he been our manager I'd imagine he'd have been in for that sort of player.

All ifs and buts, I'm happy enough with Rodgers in 2012 and don't think de Boer would have won the league, but I still like him as a manager

brevity

Interesting video on Henderson and why he shouldn't play as a defensive midfielder:

https://twitter.com/IamDembe/status/834747242380681216

5starpool

M!Ck^ wrote: »

I agree with him. What's your point exactly? I'd consider you as one of the better posters so surprised you have an issue.
Can you not spot from another posters perspective that it's very clicky in here to be fair and anyone who goes against the grain seems be on the butt end of it.
To be fair to Augeo he has a valid point.

It was mostly tongue in cheek because it was just you thanking all his posts, even though I've generally come to have a sneaky soft spot for your style of 'bantz'.

I've said it before that there are 4 main people involved in the back and forth with both sides as irritating as the other in lots of ways. There are other peripheral figures but I think any regular reader/contributor would be able to name the main few involved. Having said that though I've noticed less of it from one of the main 4 (as I'd have categorised them) has engaged much less in it recently. I think everyone just wants it to stop.

Anyhow, football.

NukaCola

8-10 wrote: »

He's a good coach. Wouldn't have said he'd be any better or worse than Rodgers who we got instead. Would have been interesting to see if he would have taken any of the Ajax lads with him, a good few went to the PL after 2012 - Blind, Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld.

I realise he sold those players but I reckon that was more because the players were moving on to something bigger rather than not being needed. So had he been our manager I'd imagine he'd have been in for that sort of player.

All ifs and buts, I'm happy enough with Rodgers in 2012 and don't think de Boer would have won the league, but I still like him as a manager

I think I'm on record here saying I like DeBoer as a manager, if not I will say I think he's a decent manager. Reading my post it comes across fairly negative though which I didn't intend. If he did pass up the chance to manage LFC i would see that as a mistake on his part. I think at the time both BR and DeBoer had a lot to prove.

I think we are in a better shape now so happy enough how every turned out.

Charlie19

brevity wrote: »

Interesting video on Henderson and why he shouldn't play as a defensive midfielder:
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Didn't watch the clip...

I think most people on here would rather see Henderson further up the pitch but he'll do for now until someone much better is brought in.

brevity

Charlie19 wrote: »

Didn't watch the clip...

I think most people on here would rather see Henderson further up the pitch but he'll do for now until someone much better is brought in.

Watch it when you get a chance. Really highlights some glaring flaws in his and Liverpool's game.

Boom_Bap

Luke Shaw - No.
If we are going after a left back it should be Hector from Koln, and we should snap up Modeste while we are there.

Agent Coulson

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Luke Shaw - No.
If we are going after a left back it should be Hector from Koln, and we should snap up Modeste while we are there.

And Horn

charolais0153

Really interesting Clio and so true. Only time I can remember a good through ball was against Bournemouth for origi

martyos121

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And Horn

Yes, I love Horn!

*insert Kenneth Williams pic here*

Potential Underachiever

brevity wrote: »

Interesting video on Henderson and why he shouldn't play as a defensive midfielder:

https://twitter.com/IamDembe/status/834747242380681216

Definitely food for thought in that video, it was well put together, might have been harsh on Hendo and cherry picked stuff to make him look clumsy but yeah interesting.

Boom_Bap

Agent Coulson wrote: »

And Horn

Is he an upgrade on Mig? I'm not so sure that he is.
In the keeper department we need someone like Courtois/De Gea, great in all areas and not prone to clangers.....although I'm not sure what Horns Clanger Count is.

Gbear

brevity wrote: »

Interesting video on Henderson and why he shouldn't play as a defensive midfielder:

https://twitter.com/IamDembe/status/834747242380681216

Well there's a whole load of problems with this video.
There's some merit to the idea, if for no other reason than because none of our players are the best players around in their position, so everyone could theoretically be upgraded on, but there's a lot of bad chains of logic.

One issue is using stats where he shouldn't and not using stats where he should.

He's comparing stats on players who nominally fulfill similar roles but because they're in wildly different systems and teams playing at very different levels there's only so much you can tell with the stats.

Take Kanté - Chelsea have 6% less possession on average than we do.
I don't have the stats to hand but I'd also imagine that they play a lot deeper as well.
That'll affect his stats - tackles, interceptions, distance he's required to cover, the type of running required, the areas of the pitch he has to play football in and the style of passing he has to use.

"He doesn't want to take any risks"

Unlike, say Chelsea, who play with a back 3, and largely sit fairly deep and counter-attack we've a back two and two full backs who play as wingers.
We play enough suicidal football as it is.

Then he's comparing the passing abilities of Hendo with literally the two best DMs in the world and players who'd cost £50m+ a pop.

He's also ignoring the difference in the options the two players have in front of them.
Kante, for example, is more likely to be playing against teams who give more space than they do against us, because he'll be more likely to be breaking, which suits his ability to carry the ball.

Busquets, in addition to obviously being a better footballer, also has the advantage that the lads he's passing to have glue attached to their boots.

Then, on the other hand, he cherry picks a few clips of Henderson miscontrolling the ball and uses it to make an argument that he's too **** a to play the position, when here it's important to give at least some context into the breakdown of their passing; the length, the pace of the ball, the areas of the pitch it's taking place in, etc.



Mascherano couldn't dribble either, and his passing was worse than Hendo's.
He was still a brilliant DM.

There's no magic formula for who should play where and what skills are vital for which position.
There's more than one way to skin a cat and just because Hendo can't dribble like Kanté, or pass like literally the best DMs in the world, doesn't mean he isn't a good option there.
It didn't stop us from having our joint best first half of the league in 25 years.

That's not to say you couldn't or shouldn't get a more orthodox or specialised DM in, but it's not the be all and end all, it wouldn't necessarily be better overall or against every opponent and it wouldn't be the only way to solve the more general problems that he outlines.

If you want to fix your attack against packed defences, you have no recognised senior striker at the club and only one winger, and the solution you're coming up with is "buy a DM" I think you need to have a word with yourself.

Agent Coulson

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Is he an upgrade on Mig? I'm not so sure that he is.
In the keeper department we need someone like Courtois/De Gea, great in all areas and not prone to clangers.....although I'm not sure what Horns Clanger Count is.

He'd be an upgrade on both our keepers I think.

The issue is would he settle in the PL quickly because we can't afford for our next keeper to have a bedding in period.

We need a keeper ready and able for the PL.

Iused2likebusts

brevity wrote: »

Interesting video on Henderson and why he shouldn't play as a defensive midfielder:

https://twitter.com/IamDembe/status/834747242380681216

I watched that and wouldn't pay too much heed to it. Whoever made that can just be very selective with the clips he uses to emphasise his point . For me busquets is the complete DM can pass the ball forward and plays one touch when necessary. I wouldn't use that as a stick to beat Henderson there is nobody in the PL that would get near busquets.

RobertKK

At the moment, Shaw is not seen as good enough to start for United, so I think any Liverpool fans who think of him as a solution should be asking why this is, not that United would sell to Liverpool or vice versa.
He has not been the same player he was in my opinion to what he was before the leg break, which was horrific, and maybe that is holding him back.

Charlie19

First few instances of Henderson loosing the ball in that clip and I was just blaming those fecking yellow jerseys:)

Interesting alright, I will look at him more closely in the remaining games.

mormank

Amanda Tasteless Lanyard wrote: »

I'll think you'll find I was being consistently baited hence the cards as Augeo predicted. The usual few were having a go at me for having a different opinion than their own and being prepared to argue it. It didn't go down to well

And if I recall correctly I was welcomed to the thread by other posters who were glad to see different views other than the usual drivel served up by the clique everyone is alluding to. But you didn't mention that in your last post did you because that didn't suit your narrative did it.

Here you are claiming how you were on the right side of things and like you have a white flag tagged to your mast, nothing is ever your fault of course. :rolleyes: The part in bold is part of the problem if you ask me. A general lack of respect for other people's opinion's is exactly what you are complaining about and yet you are guilty of it yourself. Anyway I'm not in any clique as far as I know but seriously if everyone could just stop using such derogatory language about eachother's posts that would be a start.

Annnnnnnyyway, Leicester have sacked Claudio?? I can't understand the timing of this after that great result in Sevilla but I can't help but wonder if the timing is horrendous for us. I was happy to take on Ranieri's team next in the league, now who know's what they will be like. I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed that they don't rally until after our match, if they do at all...

ricero

charolais0153 wrote: »

Really interesting Clio and so true. Only time I can remember a good through ball was against Bournemouth for origi

And for bobby against palace away.

Dont think we should be too worried for hendo. Hes been very good this season in that role although long term perhaps we could find a better fit and push hendo to the left or right cm in the 4 3 3

mormank

M!Ck^ wrote: »

A funny one, but proves the point.
Make a valid point, take the piss and don't actually acknowledge it. Rinse & repeat.
But sure hey, it's just some random people posting on a forum. Don't lose sleep over it!

Eh, it doesn't prove a thing! You weren't even talking to Mosstin. You were talking to 5Starpool. Why would you expect mosstin to acknowledge something that was said about 5starpool about 5starpool? If anything you are now in a "click" with Dominic and Agueo right now. . What Mosstin did in that post is half the reason I come on this thread, he cracked a joke and me laugh. And you take that as some sort of proof of something! But who cares? Just stop. I've said it before and I'll say it again, and this is a rhetorical question before you answer, why on earth do Utd fans even come to the Liverpool thread to read and post? Is there thread really that boring?

mormank

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The team have no excuses now they have had a winter break in the sun and plenty of time to recharge the batteries if needed.

I fully expect us to get back close to our early season form now that we have only 1 game a week. When you think about how many games we played in Dec and Jan with the size of our squad it really is crazy. Could say it was a mistake by Klopp, I guess we will know more from how he sets up the squad for the same period next season.

NukaCola

NukaCola wrote: »

I think Manchester United and Liverpools rivalry is probably different, but maybe not to Jose/Klopp so who knows....Shaw has everything, shame if he isn't working hard to be his best if thats the case....

I may be overhyping him here a bit but it wouldn't surprise me if he was regarded as the best LB in the EPL for a number of years if he delivers on his previous form/potential over the next few seasons, however I would generally not be too happy about young players not trying hard personally.

I get the feeling he hasn't recovered since the leg break but again he's only 21.
Needs a steady run in the team to progress but if he's not showing it in training then I'd trust Jose's judgement as he's proved it with how he's handled Mikataryan for example.
Just couldn't stomach the thought of letting him go to Liverpool and then he turns it all around!
He was having some start to the season when LVG had him playing in the first 11 before that horror break so the quality is there.
Anyway peace out!

mormank

mormank wrote: »

..... If anything you are now in a "click" with Dominic and Agueo right now.....:o

How do you come to that conclusion?

mormank

mormank wrote: »

Eh, it doesn't prove a thing! You weren't even talking to Mosstin. You were talking to 5Starpool. Why would you expect mosstin to acknowledge something that was said about 5starpool about 5starpool? If anything you are now in a "click" with Dominic and Agueo right now. . What Mosstin did in that post is half the reason I come on this thread, he cracked a joke and me laugh. And you take that as some sort of proof of something! But who cares? Just stop. I've said it before and I'll say it again, and this is a rhetorical question before you answer, why on earth do Utd fans even come to the Liverpool thread to read and post? Is there thread really that boring?

So you enjoy asking questions without expecting answers on an open forum. OK I'm out, enjoy!

mormank

Agent Coulson wrote: »

He'd be an upgrade on both our keepers I think.

The issue is would he settle in the PL quickly because we can't afford for our next keeper to have a bedding in period.

We need a keeper ready and able for the PL.

Wasn't Karius voted 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga last season? And isn't that where Horn plays? Personally I think Karius is having the problem you refer to in your post and there is no guarantee that Horn, another relatively young keeper, wouldn't suffer the same fate.

mormank

mormank wrote: »

Wasn't Karius voted 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga last season? And isn't that where Horn plays? ...........

Rhetorical questions?

mormank

Augeo wrote: »

How do you come to that conclusion?

What is a clique if not a group of like minded people arguing the same point together and defending eachother? I'm merely trying to emphasise how easy it is to fall into one of these cliques everyone keeps talking about now....

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So you enjoy asking questions without expecting answers on an open forum. OK I'm out, enjoy!

No Mick. I don't. No need to declare yourself out all dramatically like that, (I really don't know why people insist on saying that, we are not on walkie talkies!!) besides we all know you'll be back!

mormank

Augeo wrote: »

Rhetorical questions?

rhetorical question
noun
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

If you guys tell me ye finally understand what Hyperbole is I can change my signature to this so you guys can understand what a rhetorical question is next!!

mormank

Augeo wrote: »

Rhetorical questions?

Confronted by some actual football talk you would rather take a petty swipe to score an imaginary point than discuss it and yet everyone else around you is the problem!!??

mormank

mormank wrote: »

rhetorical question
noun
a question asked in order to create a dramatic effect or to make a point rather than to get an answer.

If you guys tell me ye finally understand what Hyperbole is I can change my signature to this so you guys can understand what a rhetorical question is next!!

mormank wrote: »

Confronted by some actual football talk you would rather take a petty swipe to score an imaginary point than discuss it and yet everyone else around you is the problem!!??

bit of a mood swing in 2 mins there bud. to

You are confusing humour for a petty swipe btw ............. I never alluded to "everyone else around you is the problem!!" I don't have any problems with folk on here. I won't take sh1t off any of ye though.

Agent Coulson

mormank wrote: »

Wasn't Karius voted 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga last season? And isn't that where Horn plays? Personally I think Karius is having the problem you refer to in your post and there is no guarantee that Horn, another relatively young keeper, wouldn't suffer the same fate.

I think Horn is a bit better all round keeper than Karius being honest he's more physical **(I have seen Horn play live a good few times I go over to Cologne a number of times a year and always take in a game when I 'm there) and would have been my choice to sign last summer but it's as much as a muchness when it comes down to it for keepers of that age.

Any young keeper coming into the PL is going to suffer a bedding in period and struggle at times.


Where we are now is we can't afford that but getting a PL proven keeper of a high standard is going to be difficult and expensive as no team that has that keeper will want to lose them.

** I haven't played that position so I wouldn't fully understand the role. Just a fans opinion.

Buford T. Justice XIX

M!Ck^ wrote: »

So you enjoy asking questions without expecting answers on an open forum. OK I'm out, enjoy!

We can enjoy now, thanks. :pac:

Talk again tomorrow...

5starpool

I'm out.

Time for bed.

mormank

Augeo wrote: »

bit of a mood swing in 2 mins there bud. to

You are confusing humour for a petty swipe btw ............. I never alluded to "everyone else around you is the problem!!" I don't have any problems with folk on here. I won't take sh1t off any of ye though.

Ok apologies, but there are plenty of smiley faces to choose from if you are attempting humour in future! :P:pac::D;):p

Kerrigooney

All that outrage when Suarez bit someone but what Dele Alli did tonight was ten times worse imo...I wonder will the English gutter press drive him out as well? I won't be holding my breath.

mormank

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I think Horn is a bit better all round keeper than Karius being honest he's more physical **(I have seen Horn play live a good few times I go over to Cologne a number of times a year and always take in a game when I 'm there) and would have been my choice to sign last summer but it's as much as a muchness when it comes down to it for keepers of that age.

Any young keeper coming into the PL is going to suffer a bedding in period and struggle at times.


Where we are now is we can't afford that but getting a PL proven keeper of a high standard is going to be difficult and expensive as no team that has that keeper will want to lose them.

** I haven't played that position so I wouldn't fully understand the role. Just a fans opinion.

I have advocated the purchase of horn in the past on here. He will go on to become a very very good keeper imo but my point is that there is a very good chance he will just suffer the same as Karius has whilst settling in the PL putting us right back where we are now so we should either go for a clear and unquestionable upgrade or just stand pat tbh. I think there is a very good chance that at the start of next season Karius will be better for us than he was this season and so on. No young keeper will come in a pull up trees immediately.

OwaynOTT

Kerrigooney wrote: »

All that outrage when Suarez bit someone but what Dele Alli did tonight was ten times worse imo...I wonder will the English gutter press drive him out as well? I won't be holding my breath.

It's different though kerrigooney, he should have had a free just before hand. He reacted badly but it was only a reaction. No defending what his reaction but he only reacted.

Osmosis Jones

Kerrigooney wrote: »

All that outrage when Suarez bit someone but what Dele Alli did tonight was ten times worse imo...I wonder will the English gutter press drive him out as well? I won't be holding my breath.

Nah it was a man's challenge, a "proper tackle." Like the good old days.

Agent Coulson

Alli has that nastiness in him big time.

He has Joey Barton nasty in him but will get away with it from the media because he at least has talent something Barton doesn't have.

Kerrigooney

OwaynOTT wrote: »

It's different though kerrigooney, he should have had a free just before hand. He reacted badly but it was only a reaction. No defending what he reaction but he only reacted.

He seems to be "reacting" quite a lot lately. There's something in every other game with him...not at tonights level but he loses the head way too easily.

Osmosis Jones

He's also gotten away with A LOT of diving both in games and from the media.

Kerrigooney

Kerrigooney wrote: »

All that outrage when Suarez bit someone but what Dele Alli did tonight was ten times worse imo...I wonder will the English gutter press drive him out as well? I won't be holding my breath.

The gutter press drove Suarez out?