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Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017
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Agent Coulson wrote: »Karius has played 9 games for Liverpool 9 games get rid of him now I say he is rubbish and will never improve 9 games is plenty of time to judge any player get rid of him now. He has cost us the title already get rid of him now before he plays game number 10.Agent Coulson wrote: »I will say anyone who followed BVB will tell you one of Klopp's weaknesses or blind spots was towards his goalkeeping position.
If you are blitzing teams 90% you don't worry about the keeper position that much it's the other 10% well that's why people have kittens over goalkeepers.Agent Coulson wrote: »We could always put Manninger he can't be any worse than the other two :pac:
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With all the Karius talk, I went back and looked at highlights from the past 2 years to see what our scouts would have seen...quite a bit to learn there really, most of it backing up what we've seen this year.
Pros:
-Very good positional sense. Comes out bravely with good timing, and also a good understanding of where the goal is, so as not to allow an easily slipping past finish.
-Great for getting his body behind shots. Any shots that aren't to the extremes are met with his whole frame, very good anticipation for where the ball will end up.
-Agile enough to reposition quickly for the most part.
-Seems to save quite a few penalties.
Cons:
-And this is a big one - Spills soooo much. While he gets his body behind shots, so many of his saves are more like parries, with the ball bouncing off his frame and often back into dangerous areas. We've seen it in his LFC appearances already of course, but even in his highlights, very few well struck shots end up safely in his hands, with some tipped wide, but close to half left bobbling around the area.
-Saves from crosses conspicuous by their absence.
-Not as many of those athletic 'touched round the corner' dives as you'd expect from a video spanning 2 years. That's the type of stuff you expect from the leaner, more athletic "De Gea" build of keeper, but he doesn't seem to bring that as much as others, while also lacking the physicality to boss the box. Would really want him to develop in one or the other direction, as now he seems like he's in a physical no-mans-land.
All in all, it seems like the errors/behaviour we've seen aren't really outliers. I have to figure that pool were aware of them up front, as there was plenty of evidence of them before he joined, so they must reckon over the course of his first season that they can make him more commanding and improve the aftermath of his initial saves - whether its parrying the ball away/wide more often, or just catching it.
This is the video I watched anyway;
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With all the Karius talk, I went back and looked at highlights from the past 2 years to see what our scouts would have seen...quite a bit to learn there really, most of it backing up what we've seen this year.
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This is the video I watched anyway;
Is there a video showing what's left ? As in the non "best saves" :pac:
I fear the well regarded in Germany stuff has an awful whiff of Lazar Marković / LFC transfer committee off it ............... it shouldn't take too much to improve on Mig though so there's a decent chance karius might do so.
The analagies to De Gea are IMO akin to saying Moreno might end up as good as Bale :pac:0 -
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I remember you had a VERY different view when Rodgers sacked his coaching team. Can't remember ever hearing anyone as absolutely disgusted with the way in which they were "thrown under a bus" etc... And now with players (the real talent) we can pack em stack em etc.. Consistency not your strong point!!
What - at the end of 2015 when I felt Rodgers was a beaten docket and thought coaches being sacked in his stead was a shifting of the blame from where it squarely stood? How is that in anyway comparable to this situation?
I've been extremely consistent in over the past couple of years on the topic of emotional attachment to players - I've posted about how I can't understand people's involvement in youth players; or some of the very passionate defenses of Moreno or previously Lallana, etc. And in Sturridge's case, Klopp's system exposes him as a lazy luxury item who has declined as an athlete. I don't doubt that he will go somewhere like West Ham or whatever and score 15 a season, but we're not losing Luis Suarez here.I do wonder if Sturridge was a drugged up weightlifter would your attitude be different. He isn't a proper hardman like yourself.:pac:
I'm more a rower than a weightlifter tbh, but either way this post gets 100 stupid points.0 -
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Does anyone else think that at the time those coaches were sacked, Rodgers was given another three or so months because Klopp wanted a break from football after Dortmund, then when that time was up Rodgers was sacked and replaced.LuckyLloyd wrote: »I remember you had a VERY different view when Rodgers sacked his coaching team. Can't remember ever hearing anyone as absolutely disgusted with the way in which they were "thrown under a bus" etc... And now with players (the real talent) we can pack em stack em etc.. Consistency not your strong point!!
What - at the end of 2015 when I felt Rodgers was a beaten docket and thought coaches being sacked in his stead was a shifting of the blame from where it squarely stood? How is that in anyway comparable to this situation?
I've been extremely consistent in over the past couple of years on the topic of emotional attachment to players - I've posted about how I can't understand people's involvement in youth players; or some of the very passionate defenses of Moreno or previously Lallana, etc. And in Sturridge's case, Klopp's system exposes him as a lazy luxury item who has declined as an athlete. I don't doubt that he will go somewhere like West Ham or whatever and score 15 a season, but we're not losing Luis Suarez here.
It's always the way I saw it.0 -
With all the Karius talk, I went back and looked at highlights from the past 2 years to see what our scouts would have seen...quite a bit to learn there really, most of it backing up what we've seen this year.
Pros:
-Very good positional sense. Comes out bravely with good timing, and also a good understanding of where the goal is, so as not to allow an easily slipping past finish.
-Great for getting his body behind shots. Any shots that aren't to the extremes are met with his whole frame, very good anticipation for where the ball will end up.
-Agile enough to reposition quickly for the most part.
-Seems to save quite a few penalties.
Cons:
-And this is a big one - Spills soooo much. While he gets his body behind shots, so many of his saves are more like parries, with the ball bouncing off his frame and often back into dangerous areas. We've seen it in his LFC appearances already of course, but even in his highlights, very few well struck shots end up safely in his hands, with some tipped wide, but close to half left bobbling around the area.
-Saves from crosses conspicuous by their absence.
-Not as many of those athletic 'touched round the corner' dives as you'd expect from a video spanning 2 years. That's the type of stuff you expect from the leaner, more athletic "De Gea" build of keeper, but he doesn't seem to bring that as much as others, while also lacking the physicality to boss the box. Would really want him to develop in one or the other direction, as now he seems like he's in a physical no-mans-land.
All in all, it seems like the errors/behaviour we've seen aren't really outliers. I have to figure that pool were aware of them up front, as there was plenty of evidence of them before he joined, so they must reckon over the course of his first season that they can make him more commanding and improve the aftermath of his initial saves - whether its parrying the ball away/wide more often, or just catching it.
This is the video I watched anyway;
Hey it's not about stopping the shot it's about stopping the man. (Perhaps letting the opposition take 25yarders will give Karius an edge......
We're pants when it comes to game management and tackling full stop.
There is no bite/nouse to our play.
Taking a yellow for a blatant pull back is fair enough but not taking one
for a full blooded challenge when the game is still is still in mixer mode is worse.0 -
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