Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

5starpool

Augeo wrote: »

We played Chelsea and Utd when they were in bad places, we didn't beat Utd.
Swings and roundabouts.

Chelsea had 3 wins and a draw from their first 4 games when we played them and were 3 points ahead of us. That was hardly in a bad place.

BorneTobyWilde

Augeo wrote: »

We played Chelsea and Utd when they were in bad places, we didn't beat Utd.
Swings and roundabouts.

Yes, that is my point.
We we all face teams that are in different form, and somewhere along the way a team rises to the top. Chelsea looked poor early on, I sense there current position is not a true reflection.

~Rebel~

5starpool wrote: »

Chelsea had 3 wins and a draw from their first 4 games when we played them and were 3 points ahead of us. That was hardly in a bad place.

They were getting results, but they weren't playing well. They had a completely different defensive approach and were conceding a lot of chances. Was the perfect time for us to catch them. We'd have a very different challenge if we faced them today.

mosstin

Hating Everton is silly now?

Jaysus, this thread sometimes...

~Rebel~

mosstin wrote: »

Hating Everton is silly now?

Jaysus, this thread sometimes...

Meh, same as with any club, I think it's a thing each individual is entitled to their own feelings on. I kind of hate any groupthink "we all hate this/like this" stuff anyway.

Personally, i've absolutely nothing against Everton. Not usually really competitors with us, usually have a few Irish players, have had some other players i've liked through the years...I've no reason to share the more personal 'derby rivalry' as I'm not from Liverpool...and any time i've gone to Liverpool for matches i've found any Everton fan i've come across to be helpful and welcoming.

BMMachine

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punk_one82

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Meh, same as with any club, I think it's a thing each individual is entitled to their own feelings on. I kind of hate any groupthink "we all hate this/like this" stuff anyway.

Personally, i've absolutely nothing against Everton. Not usually really competitors with us, usually have a few Irish players, have had some other players i've liked through the years...I've no reason to share the more personal 'derby rivalry' as I'm not from Liverpool...and any time i've gone to Liverpool for matches i've found any Everton fan i've come across to be helpful and welcoming.

Pretty much the same as me. I actually quite like Everton as a club. I look forward to the derby for sure hoping it will have some spice to it but the club itself tends to be quite classy and there seems to be a decent bit of respect between the two clubs.

mormank

NukaCola wrote: »

If 14 out of his first 18 games were clean sheets and a golden glove in his first season is him struggling then yes he did.

AH whatever, I just remembered someone posted a video of him making a huge blunder against Everton in his first season with us, before he had accepted he was going bald, and took a shot. My only point in all of this really was can we please stop talking about UTD in the Liverpool thread?? And yes, David DeGea=UTD. :mad:

mormank

Augeo wrote: »

We played Chelsea and Utd when they were in bad places, we didn't beat Utd.
Swings and roundabouts.

Not to mention Arsenal first game of the season missing half their defence and maybe Ozil too after the Euros. Can't remember exactly but it was a shadow of the team they regularly put out now in fairness.

Turtyturd

mosstin wrote: »

Hating Everton is silly now?

Jaysus, this thread sometimes...

Tbf it's just one poster with a bizarre obsession of trying to dictate what topics are allowed to be discussed on here.

niallo27

mormank wrote: »

Not to mention Arsenal first game of the season missing half their defence and maybe Ozil too after the Euros. Can't remember exactly but it was a shadow of the team they regularly put out now in fairness.

In fairness we did batter the bollox out of them only to let them back in near the end.

kfallon

NukaCola wrote: »

If 14 out of his first 18 games were clean sheets and a golden glove in his first season is him struggling then yes he did.

Mignolet has been in contention for the Golden Glove in 2015 & 2016 right up until the last month of the season, doesn't mean a whole lot.

The goal v Everton
Brainfart v Chelsea (red card with Robben)
Konchesky goal in Cup Final

That's 3 I can think of straight away.

Reina was far from perfect in his first season but he turned into a very good keeper for us but lets not pretend he arrived and was absolutely top class from the start.

5starpool

kfallon wrote: »

Mignolet has been in contention for the Golden Glove in 2015 & 2016 right up until the last month of the season, doesn't mean a whole lot.

The goal v Everton
Brainfart v Chelsea (red card with Robben)
Konchesky goal in Cup Final

That's 3 I can think of straight away.

Reina was far from perfect in his first season but he turned into a very good keeper for us but lets not pretend he arrived and was absolutely top class from the start.

He was streets ahead of where Karius has been for us though. Like most others, I'm not writing him off as a lost cause, but I think it is a far more likely outcome that he turns out not to be the long term answer for us than he does.

kfallon

5starpool wrote: »

He was streets ahead of where Karius has been for us though. Like most others, I'm not writing him off as a lost cause, but I think it is a far more likely outcome that he turns out not to be the long term answer for us than he does.

Lets be honest, if me or you went in goal at the moment we'd prob be ahead of Karius.

More pointing out that anyone who thinks Reina walked into the team and was outstanding from the off needs to take off the rosetinted glasses!

NukaCola

kfallon wrote: »

Mignolet has been in contention for the Golden Glove in 2015 & 2016 right up until the last month of the season, doesn't mean a whole lot.

The goal v Everton
Brainfart v Chelsea (red card with Robben)
Konchesky goal in Cup Final

That's 3 I can think of straight away.

Reina was far from perfect in his first season but he turned into a very good keeper for us but lets not pretend he arrived and was absolutely top class from the start.

He kept 20 clean sheets in his first season and was generally very good.

How am I pretending? You are the one suggesting getting the golden glove means little.

If you make a few mistakes throughout a season it does not mean you struggled. That was the post I'm responding to. You can say 20 clean sheets mean nothing, you can say he made mistakes but to say he struggled in his first season is wrong.

NukaCola

kfallon wrote: »

More pointing out that anyone who thinks Reina walked into the team and was outstanding from the off needs to take off the rosetinted glasses!

Again, I said he didn't struggle. Who said he was outstanding? You are arguing with yourself now.

Reinas stats were pretty good and could be argued were excellent lets be fair. 14 clean sheets in his first 18 games in english football and you choose to pick out a few negatives IMO does not mean he was poor.

BullBlackNova

http://www.football365.com/news/benitez-offers-update-in-liverpools-defender-pursuit

Rafa offers an update on Liverpool's January transfer target...

It's like the last decade never happened!!

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To save the click - he's confident Lascelles is going nowhere.

Elsewhere, Lovren and Gomez have travelled with the squad tonight.

Talisman

NukaCola wrote: »

Ah right, I for some reason thought it was up in 2018 for some reason........

Michael Zorc did an interview with Kicker back in September and said that Liverpool made an approach for Pulisic in the summer but he was happy to stay at the club when he was given assurances about first team football opportunities this season. He also gave the details about the length of the player's contract and said the club might come under pressure to renegotiate it next summer depending on how well Pulisic plays this season.

5starpool

We have a match tonight.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101964590#post101964590

dogbert27

kfallon wrote: »

Lets be honest, if me or you went in goal at the moment we'd prob be ahead of Karius.

More pointing out that anyone who thinks Reina walked into the team and was outstanding from the off needs to take off the rosetinted glasses!

Be honest, that wasn't really being honest now was it? :pac:

dogbert27

mormank wrote: »

AH whatever, I just remembered someone posted a video of him making a huge blunder against Everton in his first season with us, before he had accepted he was going bald, and took a shot. My only point in all of this really was can we please stop talking about UTD in the Liverpool thread?? And yes, David DeGea=UTD. :mad:

The blunder against Everton was in his second season, September 2006.

Knex*

Reina impressed me from the off when he joined, actually. His first game he came out for a cross, took the ball, the striker and our center back all in the one swoop. It was glorious.

dogbert27

kfallon wrote: »

Lets be honest, if me or you went in goal at the moment we'd prob be ahead of Karius.

More pointing out that anyone who thinks Reina walked into the team and was outstanding from the off needs to take off the rosetinted glasses!

He kept 16 clean sheets in his first 20 games. That's pretty outstanding for a new goalkeeper walking in to a new team.

I'd expect karius will play 80 to 100 games before we see 16 clean sheets.

kfallon

dogbert27 wrote: »

He kept 16 clean sheets in his first 20 games. That's pretty outstanding for a new goalkeeper walking in to a new team.

He had a back 4 of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise in front of him, was always gonna help him! Not to mention Hamann, Alonso and Sissoko in front of those.

There were some dodgy moments! Which was to be expected!

dogbert27

kfallon wrote: »

He had a back 4 of Finnan, Hyypia, Carragher and Riise in front of him, was always gonna help him! Not to mention Hamann, Alonso and Sissoko in front of those.

There were some dodgy moments! Which was to be expected!

Are the dodgy moments expected because they happen to every keeper at some point or that it was because it was his first season?

A good defense will always help a goalkeeper. We haven't had a consistent defense in years. Even this year our first choice left back is a makeshift centre mid/winger.

NukaCola

Jeez, if Reina cant be given credit for his first season performance at Liverpool what hope does any keeper have here.......Even when they do well the defence is credited more than the keeper.

Reina didn't have the benefit of strikers defending either

Ben Gadot

Of Gary and Phil, he mused: “They’re like the Mitchell brothers, aren’t they?”

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2016/dec/14/loris-karius-neville-gary-phil-liverpool-goalkeeper-sky-sports

Also respect to Jaap Stam's more, er, blunt analogy.

Heisenberg1

Reina's distribution during a game was a sight to be hold he got a couple of assists if I remember correctly.

dogbert27

Augeo wrote: »

I'd expect karius will play 80 to 100 games before we see 16 clean sheets.

He has 4 clean sheets in 11.

He fxxked up against Bournemouth and could have done better for the free kick against West Ham.

I know you're being tongue in cheek but the guy was the second best keeper in the Bundesliga last season and Germany have a record of producing good goalkeepers.

The whole team seem to have not got back in to the rhythm that they had before the international break. That's the main problem that Klopp hasn't been able to fix yet.

Henderson had great form from the Chelsea game to before the Internationals and now has gone back to being where he was before the Chelsea game.

Mane has lost the consistency he had before the internationals likewise Firmino. We lost Couthino. Sturridge was doing a good job as back up and he's unavailable. Lallana got injured. Matip who is currently out best CB was out for the Bournemouth game.

We've been off the boil for 4 games now and Karius just seems to be getting thrown under the bus.

We really need to see an improvement in performance through out the whole team tonight.

dogbert27

Augeo wrote: »

Reina didn't have the benefit of strikers defending either

He had Cisse for his first season! :pac:

Potential Underachiever

mosstin wrote: »

Hating Everton is silly now?

Jaysus, this thread sometimes...

Yes in my humble opinion, maybe not in yours, silly isn't exactly an aggressive choice of word that I used is it?

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Meh, same as with any club, I think it's a thing each individual is entitled to their own feelings on. I kind of hate any groupthink "we all hate this/like this" stuff anyway.

Personally, i've absolutely nothing against Everton. Not usually really competitors with us, usually have a few Irish players, have had some other players i've liked through the years...I've no reason to share the more personal 'derby rivalry' as I'm not from Liverpool...and any time i've gone to Liverpool for matches i've found any Everton fan i've come across to be helpful and welcoming.

Turtyturd wrote: »

Tbf it's just one poster with a bizarre obsession of trying to dictate what topics are allowed to be discussed on here.

As proved by Rebels post and the people who agree with it, it's not just one person saying anything so stop jive talking my good man.

kfallon

dogbert27 wrote: »

A good defense will always help a goalkeeper. We haven't had a consistent defense in years. Even this year our first choice left back is a makeshift centre mid/winger.

That's what I said, isn't it?

Gbear

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Meh, same as with any club, I think it's a thing each individual is entitled to their own feelings on. I kind of hate any groupthink "we all hate this/like this" stuff anyway.

Personally, i've absolutely nothing against Everton. Not usually really competitors with us, usually have a few Irish players, have had some other players i've liked through the years...I've no reason to share the more personal 'derby rivalry' as I'm not from Liverpool...and any time i've gone to Liverpool for matches i've found any Everton fan i've come across to be helpful and welcoming.

I see them as being similar to the Atletico/Barca/Real axis from a few years ago (before Atleti really became good).

It's near enough guaranteed 6 pts every season for us or at least 4 but they can usually be relied to take points off our rivals.

If you're not actually from Liverpool, you probably don't know any Everton fans, or at least many, so the hate that comes with playground oneupmanship shouldn't be a factor.

I really relish the Merseyside derby. It's usually a great game.

Agent Coulson

I'm guessing Daniel isn't 100% and didn't travel with the squad.


Any news on Can?

NukaCola

dogbert27 wrote: »

I know you're being tongue in cheek but the guy was the second best keeper in the Bundesliga last season and Germany have a record of producing good goalkeepers.

Based on what exactly? I've seen this said a lot but 6 GK's in the Bundesliga kept more clean sheets than him last season and 3 of those GK's played in teams that finished behind Mainz. Did he have a significantly higher save per goal ratio? I would love to see the stats.

dogbert27

NukaCola wrote: »

Based on what exactly? I've seen this said a lot but 6 GK's in the Bundesliga kept more clean sheets than him last season and 3 of those GK's played in teams that finished behind Mainz. Did he have a significantly higher save per goal ratio? I would love to see the stats.

It was an end of season vote by 235 players in the league on who they thought was the best goalkeeper. Karius finished second.

Maybe they had a better defense! :pac:

5starpool

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I'm guessing Daniel isn't 100% and didn't travel with the squad.


Any news on Can?

Sturridge has returned to light training, not available. Can expected to miss tonight as well. Both should be ok for Monday night barring any setbacks.

LuckyLloyd

5starpool wrote: »

We have a match tonight.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101964590#post101964590

A pretty important match too.

Are we the real deal? Do we have some ****ing substance about us? A win would strongly bolster any claims to the affirmative on both of those questions. One point from a favourable looking six is unfortunate. A blip. **** that happens. One or two points from a favourable looking nine is a problem.

NukaCola

dogbert27 wrote: »

It was an end of season vote by 235 players in the league on who they thought was the best goalkeeper. Karius finished second.

Maybe they had a better defense! :pac:

Ah right, no I was wondering was there stats or something behind that claim that was used a lot, even by me I think at one stage.....it was a vote then.....man I really hope he sorts himself out.

Potential Underachiever

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

A pretty important match too.

Are we the real deal? Do we have some ****ing substance about us? A win would strongly bolster any claims to the affirmative on both of those questions. One point from a favourable looking six is unfortunate. A blip. **** that happens. One or two points from a favourable looking nine is a problem.

Agree, time for this team to step up to the plate or it won't be long until we are back in the pack and scrapping for 4th spot after looking almost like a certainty a couple of weeks ago. My gut is saying we won't win tonight though and Everton up next will be buoyed after their win last night, hopefully Klopp can whip them enough and get them back on track.

NukaCola

The team has been stepping up to the plate in fairness, two disappointing results doesn't change that. For large parts of those games we dominated and I think we deserved more but that wasn't the case. We need to keep getting our goals and stop making stupid mistakes, have a bit of courage and we'll be back on track.

Iused2likebusts

Tonight is a tough game. They are strong defensively.A win tonight would be a great result.

Agent Coulson

Stewart Downing to hit a complete thunder bastard from 42 yards into the top corner for the win.

mosstin

dogbert27 wrote: »

It was an end of season vote by 235 players in the league on who they thought was the best goalkeeper. Karius finished second.

Maybe they had a better defense! :pac:

I think they just really liked his hair.

Knex*

dogbert27 wrote: »

It was an end of season vote by 235 players in the league on who they thought was the best goalkeeper. Karius finished second.

Maybe they had a better defense! :pac:

Maybe they thought it was the best goalkeeper to face?

Turtyturd

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Stewart Downing to hit a complete thunder bastard from 42 yards into the top corner for the win.

Hopefully he gets confused and repeatedly stops his runs to turn back and pass to Enrique.

martyos121

Turtyturd wrote: »

Hopefully he gets confused and repeatedly stops his runs to turn back and pass to Enrique.

We need to get Enrique up there quickly then, get him in a steward's coat and stick him behind Valdes. Easiest win ever.

dogbert27

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Stewart Downing to hit a complete thunder bastard from 42 yards into the top corner for the win.

Danny Ayala to score from a corner too!