Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Agent Coulson

NukaCola wrote: »

Where are you getting that out of interest? Transfermrkt have different numbers for him.

Same.

It hadn't fully updated today's game when I was on it it 765 minutes now.

Potential Underachiever

Klavan should be the 3rd choice CB now, he's solid if unspectacular, definitely rather him in there than Lucas.

MD1990

I would start Sakho vs Everton. Lukaku would sh!t himself

NukaCola

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Klavan should be the 3rd choice CB now, he's solid if unspectacular, definitely rather him in there than Lucas.

Really good at taking the ball out of defence and surprisingly skilful on the ball also.

My only concern is both Klavan and Lovren aren't exactly blessed with pace.

NukaCola

MD1990 wrote: »

I would start Sakho vs Everton. Lukaku would sh!t himself

Such a shame the way its gone....

Osmosis Jones

I suppose Mignolet will start again in the derby. He did what he needed to well today, made a very good save, claimed all his crosses well and released the ball quickly.

Glico Man

Like Nuka and Agent Coulson, I've also crunched the numbers on Mr. Origi as I can't sleep right now.

Data taken from soccerway. I've gone through everything, and this is what I've come across (oh matron)


Appearances: 50
Starts: 22
Sub Appearances: 28

Minutes: 2,396
Goals 17
Assists: 3

avg goal to mins: 140.9 minutes/goal
avg goal to starts: 1.29 starts/goal

Goals as starter: 11
Goals as sub: 6


As a starter he's actually 1 in 2 striker. He is also a pretty decent super sub when looking for a goal 1 every 4.6 sub appearances.

chicorytip

Glico Man wrote:

Thats by far one of the dumbest posts I've seen in here tbh. Y'know considering he didn't sign most of the team. Is Clyne gone? Can? Henderson? Coutinho? Firmino? He didn't sign any of them. Lallana either for that matter.

Coutinho wants to play for Barcelona. The others you mention are of upper level premiership rather than champions league winning standard and are dispensable. If Klopp remains manager - which is not certain particularly if Bayern Munich come calling - expect to see a completely new team within eighteen months.

Osmosis Jones

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chicorytip wrote: »

Coutinho wants to play for Barcelona. The others you mention are of upper level premiership rather than champions league winning standard and are dispensable. If Klopp remains manager - which is not certain particularly if Bayern Munich come calling - expect to see a completely new team within eighteen months.

Glico Man wrote: »

Thats by far one of the dumbest posts I've seen in here tbh.

Grayditch

Those are awful posts to be duplicating with the quote function.

mormank

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Yup, the injury list - Matip, Coutinho, Can, Grujic, Sturridge and Ings isn't that long and four are short term (well three - Sturridge is impossible to estimate) but sure makes a difference.

It's not that long but it includes our best defender and our best attacking option, with Sturridge getting an honourable mention. How many other teams could cope without their best defender and best attacker?

mormank

NukaCola wrote: »

Approx 122 mins per goal or so after tonight I think for this season. 7 goals in 852 mins.

For us overall its 17 goals in 2478 mins so a goal every 146 mins. Its excellent considering a lot of those minutes are from the bench, he never really got a stretch of 10 games in a row so that would be interesting to see.

Danny overall has 58 goals in 7310 mins or a goal every 126 mins which is absolutely phenomenal, but to be harsh about it a lot of those goals came in his first season and a half. Still though he has a better strike rate over a longer time frame. Even this season his goal per min ratio is like 130 or something.

Its good to see Origi doing well at a young age anyway. A bright future ahead hopefully.

The problem with that is that these days he seems to only complete that 130 minutes once a month or so. Sturridge really seems a beaten docket this point. Origi on the other hand has kept his head down and waited for his chance and now that he has it he is taking it. Fair play to the lad, I always rated him and thought he would go on to become a very important player for us. People on here are just far too quick to write players off. There has been 100's of posts since he joined from people on here writing him off since he joined but thankfully he is proving all of them wrong now. It is for this reason I think everyone should calm down with the Karius criticism. We all have eyes and can see how he has done but for people to already be looking for him to be replaced is complete and utter nonsense. I'm not gonna bother checking but I would be willing to bet that several of the people writing off Karius now also wrote off Origi in the past. :rolleyes:

mormank

chicorytip wrote: »

Coutinho wants to play for Barcelona. The others you mention are of upper level premiership rather than champions league winning standard and are dispensable. If Klopp remains manager - which is not certain particularly if Bayern Munich come calling - expect to see a completely new team within eighteen months.

Oh dear! So much wrong so little time! :rolleyes:

Vicxas

mormank wrote: »

Oh dear! So much wrong so little time! :rolleyes:

Just dont rise up to it

BeepBeep67

We were on 34 points after 24 matches last season - at the beginning of Feb!!!
A tricky run of fixtures between now and the new year, hopefully the physio bench becomes less busy.

Iused2likebusts

Was there any word on matip

OwaynOTT

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Was there any word on matip

Excellent

Glico Man

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

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ERG89

I'd like to see Trent Alexander-Arnold get some game time. Assuming his family aren't going off skiing this Christmas the posh c*nt

Knex*

ERG89 wrote: »

I'd like to see Trent Alexander-Arnold get some game time. Assuming his family aren't going off skiing this Christmas the posh c*nt

So needless. I love it :pac:

LuckyLloyd

Was a very good win. Needed a bit of goalkeeping at 0 - 0, nothing spectacular but Mignolet did what was required. This is going to be a difficult task - the teams around us are winning and will continue to do so.

Vicxas

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Was a very good win. Needed a bit of goalkeeping at 0 - 0, nothing spectacular but Mignolet did what was required. This is going to be a difficult task - the teams around us are winning and will continue to do so.

You have to believe that Chelsea will have a lull at some stage, nice to see we've hopefully got ours out of the way before XMAS.

Demosthenese

Mig was assured, looked confident and took his opportunity with both hands ... pardon the pun ... gotta be happy to not be talking about Keeper mistakes once again. Bossed the game as we should.

We're back!

NukaCola

Chelsea will not continue to win every game. They will drop points. They've been amazing but things are going their way too. They take their chances but its not going to happen every game. A peno, a red card, coming up against a keeper having a blinder, a mistake, injuries.....these will effect every team and the league is so competitive now small things against anyone can cost you points.

We need to keep doing our job first. We are at 2.125 and we've done very well but there is scope for some improvement too. That ppg puts us at 80/81 points. Do that and we are back in CL which should the aim for this season. Let see where we can go without worrying about other teams after 16 games.

NukaCola

Demosthenese wrote: »

Mig was assured, looked confident and took his opportunity with both hands ... pardon the pun ... gotta be happy to not be talking about Keeper mistakes once again. Bossed the game as we should.

We're back!

Had little to do but done it well.

kingshankly

What a second half performance last night
Totally controlled the game
Defence were solid plus mig does what a shot stopper does in stopping shots
Delighted he's back in
Milner struggled but he was up against probably the fastest man in world football
But he never stopped running and making himself available also was first man after the match to go to the supporters and throw in his jersey
Up front mane and lalanna were excellent
Firmino still not at it prob needs a break but with big matches coming up not easy to leave him out

Gbear

NukaCola wrote: »

Had little to do but done it well.

Had a couple of shots he gathered into himself very well.
I had residiual levels of ****ting myself left from Karius which made we worry until he did it quite comfortably, and then I remembered it's the sort of thing you should be able to expect from a keeper.

What he did with the ball was good too. Pro-active and always looking for an early release.

NukaCola wrote: »

Origi doing a stunning job too....

Someone mentioned it somewhere in the thread that he should switch with Firmino, and sure enough he looked a lot better on the wing.

Even if he's not as good as our ordinary front 3 on form, that he brings reliable goals is good enough for an understudy at the very least.

I wish we'd been in a position to rest Firmino. Hopefully he'll play himself back into form or get some time in the new year.

Turtyturd

NukaCola wrote: »

Chelsea will not continue to win every game. They will drop points. They've been amazing but things are going their way too. They take their chances but its not going to happen every game. A peno, a red card, coming up against a keeper having a blinder, a mistake, injuries.....these will effect every team and the league is so competitive now small things against anyone can cost you points.

We need to keep doing our job first. We are at 2.125 and we've done very well but there is scope for some improvement too. That ppg puts us at 80/81 points. Do that and we are back in CL which should the aim for this season. Let see where we can go without worrying about other teams after 16 games.

A couple of injuries after the window closes would be great, they don't have great squad depth.

marklazarcovic

If that traore fella learns from solid coaching he will be a beast of a player

ricero

marklazarcovic wrote: »

If that traore fella learns from solid coaching he will be a beast of a player

Reminds me of a lesser talented mane. Could be a top player if he works on his final ball

corwill

marklazarcovic wrote: »

If that traore fella learns from solid coaching he will be a beast of a player

He's ridiculously quick, just off the top of my head he burned Milner, Klavan and Henderson while giving them 5 or 10 yard headstarts. He's 21 next month, so he still has time to add end product. Not a given, by any means, though.

gafferino

great win last night. Delighted with the win having dropped 5 points we shouldnt have.

I am not getting carried away thinking we are back on track however as I think we have been very shaky the last few games. I think our injuries have left us in big trouble. Lets not forget Middlesborough are pretty **** so we have to expect to beat them.

My concerns are without Coutinho we are far weaker.

Firminho up top is much better than on the wing.... he creates a lot of space up there with his runs the way Suarez did.

Origi is good but again I dont think we are at our best with him up top. Although he is doing well the last 5 games in fairness.

Our midfield is fairly one dimensional with Can, Henderson and Gigi but I guess if the lads up front do the business we might get away with it.

Our bench the last 2 games has been shocking. We will need to strengthen in January especially given Mane is gone.

A month ago we were flying and i was confident we could beat any team. The fear has crept in now with every match and you can see it in the team. We need the players to step up and was great to see Lallana do that last night.

Alonso77

gafferino wrote: »

great win last night. Delighted with the win having dropped 5 points we shouldnt have.

I am not getting carried away thinking we are back on track however as I think we have been very shaky the last few games. I think our injuries have left us in big trouble. Lets not forget Middlesborough are pretty **** so we have to expect to beat them.

My concerns are without Coutinho we are far weaker.

Firminho up top is much better than on the wing.... he creates a lot of space up there with his runs the way Suarez did.

Origi is good but again I dont think we are at our best with him up top. Although he is doing well the last 5 games in fairness.

Our midfield is fairly one dimensional with Can, Henderson and Gigi but I guess if the lads up front do the business we might get away with it.

Our bench the last 2 games has been shocking. We will need to strengthen in January especially given Mane is gone.

A month ago we were flying and i was confident we could beat any team. The fear y crept in now with every match and you can see it in the team. We need the players to step up and was great to see Lallana do that last night.

didn't see any fear In the team last night, quite the opposite

Vicxas

To be fair when you lose one of your best players a little bit of fear is normal.

But they did exceptionally well against a team who can park a whopper double decker.

NukaCola

Gbear wrote: »

Someone mentioned it somewhere in the thread that he should switch with Firmino, and sure enough he looked a lot better on the wing.

Even if he's not as good as our ordinary front 3 on form, that he brings reliable goals is good enough for an understudy at the very least.

His distribution from the wing was impressive too, his pullback to Lallana was a nice bit of play but he whipped in a few decent crosses too.

Ideally I would like to see all 3 switch and interchange. I think as a front 3 they done quite well, the interchange of passes and play was quite good at times, but understandably was a bit clunky maybe down to not being too familiar with other in a match environment.

Gbear

Alonso77 wrote: »

didn't see any fear In the team last night, quite the opposite

In particular, especially after his recent form, Lovren looked really solid and composed.

NukaCola

gafferino wrote: »

My concerns are without Coutinho we are far weaker.

I get those concerns but I'm not really that bothered by it. We scored 9 goals in 3 games that Coutinho was missing for and we shot ourselves with defensive mistakes that you cant really attribute to missing Coutinho, I mean there might be a bit of fall back, and we are weaker but "far" weaker I just cant agree with.

K-9

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Was a very good win. Needed a bit of goalkeeping at 0 - 0, nothing spectacular but Mignolet did what was required. This is going to be a difficult task - the teams around us are winning and will continue to do so.

Chelsea look good but not unbeatable, though it looks like they've the right balance. Arsenal look top 3 anyway.

City and Spurs aren't that great.

gafferino

Alonso77 wrote: »

didn't see any fear In the team last night, quite the opposite

Yeah but 1 month ago I would have been very confident of smashing them. Wasnt sure until the 2nd half last night.

Thats the way it goes with sport and confidence etc but need them to step up big time. Everton under the lights is a big test.

corwill

Vicxas wrote: »

But they did exceptionally well against a team who can park a whopper double decker.

Starting to see an evolution of approach against deep sitting defenses, with mixing better crosses and better long passing with the usual quick passing to feet and massed breaking runs. Was it Giles I recently heard calling Klopp a one trick pony? Thank Christ RTE have sent him to bed with a mug of Ovaltine.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Glico Man wrote: »

Like Nuka and Agent Coulson, I've also crunched the numbers on Mr. Origi as I can't sleep right now

Data taken from soccerway. I've gone through everything, and this is what I've come across (oh matron)


Appearances: 50
Starts: 22
Sub Appearances: 28

Minutes: 2,396
Goals 17
Assists: 3

avg goal to mins: 140.9 minutes/goal
avg goal to starts: 1.29 starts/goal

Goals as starter: 11
Goals as sub: 6


As a starter he's actually 1 in 2 striker. He is also a pretty decent super sub when looking for a goal 1 every 4.6 sub appearances.

He's good but he's no David Fairclough.

Yet, anyway

Gbear wrote: »

In particular, especially after his recent form, Lovren looked really solid and composed.

In fairness, there wasn't much defending to do after the first quarter either.

K-9

Yeah, Boro offered nothing in the second half though a lot of that was our pressing when they got the ball back, they couldn't cope. I think they'll struggle but just stay up.

MD1990

I would certaintly consider Traore in the summer or January.
Needs to work on a lot of his game. But he is unstoppable when running at players. He is like a NFL Running Back with the dribbling ability of Messi.

Osmosis Jones

Traore's nowhere near good enough for a big move yet, he can run past people on the wing and that's about it.

BorneTobyWilde

Bringing back Jimmy is not he answer

Knex*

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bringing back Jimmy is not the answer

You're asking the wrong question

Turtyturd

K-9 wrote: »

Yeah, Boro offered nothing in the second half though a lot of that was our pressing when they got the ball back, they couldn't cope.

I much prefer watching us play when pressing like that than the tipping around on the edge of the box. There's just something enjoyable about a pack of players hounding the opposition until one of them loses possession/misplaces a pass/or hoofs it wildly.

If we weren't so unpredictable at a the back I'd love to see us just let the opposition have the ball and be their own undoing.

BorneTobyWilde

We have never been cut open or dominated this season
We score great goals and concede nasty ones
Midfield can help to stop certain situations before they escalate into goals
We can't always blame the last line of defence , the keeper and defenders
Clean sheets are down more to what's in front of the goalkeeper

Harry Palmr

Turtyturd wrote: »

If we weren't so unpredictable at a the back I'd love to see us just let the opposition have the ball and be their own undoing.

I mentioned that as a tactic against teams that sit deep here. It would confuse them

K-9

Turtyturd wrote: »

I much prefer watching us play when pressing like that than the tipping around on the edge of the box. There's just something enjoyable about a pack of players hounding the opposition until one of them loses possession/misplaces a pass/or hoofs it wildly.

If we weren't so unpredictable at a the back I'd love to see us just let the opposition have the ball and be their own undoing.

Can't remember who it was said Liverpool are better without the ball! Sounds so stupid but there's a lot of truth in it even though we tend to boss possession.

At its best it's actually such an attacking move, it isn't just about getting it back like Barca at their best, but to hurt the opposition with quick, one touch passing and away they go.