Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

YaYa just converted a peno for City.

OwaynOTT

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Well, so do I. But there is context to every situation and it doesn't get applied.

If you're off you're nelly pissed as a fart on a motorway doing 140 or you've had a couple of drinks and are stupid enough to head for the city centre doing 50 then they are not the same despite the rule of the law.

Yes you should be punished either way and he was so lets move on.

Hardly crime of the century though.

You can kill (or seriously injure) at 50 and there's more pedestrians around in a city centre.
You're over the limit, you're over the limit.

Harry Palmr

Bobby F is an idiot, there is no room for discussion about drinking and driving.

The form guide is holding strong today even if Arsenal huffed and puffed.

Meanwhile

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/26/liverpool-lucas-leiva-inter-loan

Liverpool are prepared to let Lucas Leiva join Internazionale on loan for the rest of the season. The Brazilian has started only three Premier League games this season and made 11 appearances in all competitions.
Transfer window January 2017: all the latest moves and news – interactive
Read more

Inter are looking to sign a midfielder in January and have asked Liverpool whether they would consider letting Lucas leave on a short-term basis and have been told that the Merseyside club would not stand in his way should he wish to move to Italy on loan.

Be a bit weird to see him go off on loan in January rather than get a proper send off.

Grayditch

I find the whole drink driving thing really easy to deal with, with no grey areas.

Muahahaha

A spokesperson for Merseyside Police said: “Merseyside Police has charged a 25-year-old man with drink driving after his car was stopped in Liverpool city centre in the early hours of Saturday, December 24 2016.

“Roberto Firmino, from Liverpool, will appear at Liverpool City Magistrates Court on January 31.”

Well at least the busies have taken him to their hearts.

noodler

Augeo wrote: »

https://www.balls.ie/football/liverpool-fans-call-roberto-firmino-dropped-drink-driving-charge/355310

I'm not sure if this lad is being rational or is he a huge Sakho fan and a tad aggrieved...
" Well this is certainly worse than anything Sakho has ever done so will see if he is treated the same way" Mark Mckeown @Marklfc10Mark

Id have to agree with him to be honest.

A legal performance enhancement vs drink driving.

One_Of_Shanks

OwaynOTT wrote: »

You can kill (or seriously injure) at 50 and there's more pedestrians around in a city centre.
You're over the limit, you're over the limit.

Ah sure I must never have said the words "you should be punished either way"

Let's ignore all that and go for the "kill at 50" line.

noodler

noodler wrote: »

Id have to agree with him to be honest.

A legal performance enhancement vs drink driving.

But it was Sakho acting the idiot on tour that was the problem. He was brought along even though he was injured so the performance enhancement stuff was water under the bridge than I would have thought.

Again though, cheers for the input

Osmosis Jones

Lucas going out on loan is pointless, no benefit to us bar saving a few quid on wages and it just means we're missing someone who can fill in at midfield and defence when injuries start to build up.

Harry Palmr

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Lucas going out on loan is pointless, no benefit to us bar saving a few quid on wages and it just means we're missing someone who can fill in at midfield and defence when injuries start to build up.

If Klopp is happy to let him go then I can only assume it's because he is patient and willing to develop the likes of Grujic and Stewart on the job this season rather than reach for an old reliable who will be gone in the summer anyway.

BorneTobyWilde

Vital to win the next two games, home games are so important if we are to put a real title challenge together.
A draw to Stoke a loss to City and that gap will be 11pts to Chelsea, if Chelsea win at home next game.

OwaynOTT

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Ah sure I must never have said the words "you should be punished either way"

Let's ignore all that and go for the "kill at 50" line.

Yeah it's great you said that they should be punished either way but you also starting grading the levels of drunkness behind the wheel and talked about the context.
There is no context, there is no level of drunkness. Once you're over, you're over and it doesnt matter where you are driving.
Having 3 pints and driving around a high population density area is as dangerous as driving over the speed limit in the motorway being pissed.
They're both reckless and a threat to other people's safety.
And you're 'hardly the crime of the century' bit is a bit crass.
All I'm saying is, it's stupid and selfish to drink drive. And it surely feels like a horrendous crime to someone affected by it. Now it mightn't be the great train robbery but it's certainly life changing.

price690

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Vital to win the next two games, home games are so important if we are to put a real title challenge together.
A draw to Stoke a loss to City and that gap will be 11pts to Chelsea, if Chelsea win at home next game.

Chelsea ain't going to trip up to the extent we overhaul their lead. No chance.

Vital we keep winning though, a couple of defeats or draws and the teams below us as far down as 5th or 6th will be right on our tails.

I'd gladly take 3rd place and guaranteed champions league football if it was offered now.

liam7831

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Firmino was done for drunk driving,the ****ing idiot.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/roberto-firmino-charged-drink-driving-12371084

What a wan k er

theoneeyedman

OwaynOTT wrote: »

Yeah it's great you said that they should be punished either way but you also starting grading the levels of drunkness behind the wheel and talked about the context.
There is no context, there is no level of drunkness. Once you're over, you're over and it doesnt matter where you are driving.
Having 3 pints and driving around a high population density area is as dangerous as driving over the speed limit in the motorway being pissed.
They're both reckless and a threat to other people's safety.
And you're 'hardly the crime of the century' bit is a bit crass.
All I'm saying is, it's stupid and selfish to drink drive. And it surely feels like a horrendous crime to someone affected by it. Now it mightn't be the great train robbery but it's certainly life changing.

No no no.

There are different levels of 'drunkenness' as you term it. You can be over the limit with 2 beers, or could have drank a gallon, but they are two different things, and the law treats them differently too.

That said, silly stuff from the lad, especially of the stuff about him snap chatting is true. Has to be more clever than that though, a high profile lad like him is an easy target for a jobsworth peeler looking to make a name for himself.

Either poorly advised or a bit dopey.

OwaynOTT

OwaynOTT wrote: »

.........
There is no context, there is no level of drunkness. Once you're over, you're over and it doesnt matter where you are driving.
Having 3 pints and driving around a high population density area is as dangerous as driving over the speed limit in the motorway being pissed.
They're both reckless and a threat to other people's safety. .........

Wow

If the law agreed with you court hearings would hardly be required at all for drink driving.

Harry Palmr

Augeo wrote: »

Wow

If the law agreed with you court hearings would hardly be required at all for drink driving.

There are shades of sanction only because of centuries of custom and practice - if we were starting today with a clean slate drinking driving laws would be far tougher than they are.

mosstin

'Tis great being a Liverpool fan really.
When the AFCON affects us, it needs to be reorganised.
When one of our players fall foul of drink driving laws, they're probably not fairly applied in the first place.
This isn't having a go at anyone by the way, I feel that needs to be pointed out in advance.

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

There are shades of sanction only because of centuries of custom and practice - if we were starting today with a clean slate drinking driving laws would be far tougher than they are.

I don't think your centuries theory applies to drink driving in the UK

THE YEAR OF 1967

INTRODUCTION OF THE MAXIMUM LEGAL DRINK DRIVE LIMIT (ROAD SAFETY ACT 1967)

The Road Safety Act of 1967 introduced the first maximum legal blood alcohol (drink driving) limit in the UK. The limit was set at a maximum BAC (blood alcohol concentration) of 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood or the equivalent 107 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millilitres of urine. It became an offence to drive, attempt to drive or be in charge of a motor vehicle with a blood alcohol concentration that exceeded the maximum prescribed legal limit.

http://www.drinkdriving.org/drink_driving_information_uklawhistory.php

dogbert27

Unfortunately Bobby's drink drive is football related as his court appearance is Saturday December 31st the day we play City making him unavailable for selection apparently.

Even if he is available can't see how he would be completely focused on the game.

The clown.

dogbert27

dogbert27 wrote: »

Unfortunately Bobby's drink drive is football related as his court appearance is Saturday December 31st the day we play City making him unavailable for selection apparently..........

31st of Jan, Firmino to appear in court on same day as Liverpool v Chelsea

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/26/roberto-firmino-charged-drink-driving-liverpool

I'm thinking the club might make him unavailable to Klopp for a game or three, drink driving is seriously frowned upon so the club might want to give the chap a bit of a spanking themselves. That and a charity donation would do him no harm in court either.

Charlie19

Stupid decision by Firmino to get behind the wheel, while being over the limit.

But I couldn't care less, if he scores the winner tomorrow evening and does something similar to this in his goal celebration.

NukaCola

I'm no lawyer but I personally wouldn't encourage Firmino to play up the old drink driving angle in any celebration to be honest.

I wont judge him too harshly until I know all the facts but needless to say its almost certainly not good. No excuse for anyone to drink drive, surely he could afford a ****ing cab.......something far more serious could have happened......

Utopia Parkway

Augeo wrote: »

31st of Jan, Firmino to appear in court on same day as Liverpool v Chelsea

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/dec/26/roberto-firmino-charged-drink-driving-liverpool

I'm thinking the club might make him unavailable to Klopp for a game or three, drink driving is seriously frowned upon so the club might want to give the chap a bit of a spanking themselves. That and a charity donation would do him no harm in court either.

Firmino is available for tomorrow. Club not saying anything until it goes through the legal system.

corwill

theoneeyedman wrote: »

Has to be more clever than that though, a high profile lad like him is an easy target for a jobsworth peeler looking to make a name for himself.

Wha'?

Utopia Parkway

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Firmino is available for tomorrow. Club not saying anything until it goes through the legal system.

I read that too http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/26/liverpool-striker-firmino-charged-drink-driving-will-available/

I'd be surprised if he featured tomorrow, time will tell.

ElTel

Don't most of them teeth whitening products contain alcohol (notwithstanding it's Christmas!)
He'll pass his piss test with flying colours hopefully.....

ERG89

Augeo wrote: »

I read that too http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/12/26/liverpool-striker-firmino-charged-drink-driving-will-available/

I'd be surprised if he featured tomorrow, time will tell.

He's probably available as our squad is fairly bare bones. You only need to look at the bench the last few weeks to see that.

NyOmnishambles

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Anyway we need a job for Moreno these days so Firmino's personal driver will do.

Should have kept Alberto

Iused2likebusts

Id be very surprised if firmino didnt start today.

padd b1975

Augeo wrote: »

Indeed.

Could simply be an error of judgement regarding an extra drink with a meal, I'd be fairly sure that the court proceedings will disclose he was slightly over the limit. Which is still deserving of punishment of course.

He'll probably hire some loophole expert and play the old "too famous for public transport" card.

rob316

idiot! there is just no excuse.

not too bothered if he starts today or not he's been fairly poor lately. Sturridge, origi and mane should be more than enough to beat stoke.

Buford T. Justice XIX

rob316 wrote: »

idiot! there is just no excuse.

not too bothered if he starts today or not he's been fairly poor lately. Sturridge, origi and mane should be more than enough to beat stoke.

isn't Sturridge still out?

Buford T. Justice V

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

isn't Sturridge still out?

He played last 10/15 mins against Everton and presumably trained since than too.

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

He'll probably hire some loophole expert and play the old "too famous for public transport" card.

Can well afford a driver

Buford T. Justice XIX

A bit from the NY Times on Mona Nemmer, the nutritionalist hired from Bayern last Summer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/sports/soccer/liverpool-jurgen-klopp-team-nutritionist.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=1

the canteen sounds like a fantastic place, great article.

OwaynOTT

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

A bit from the NY Times on Mona Nemmer, the nutritionalist hired from Bayern last Summer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/sports/soccer/liverpool-jurgen-klopp-team-nutritionist.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=1

Food for thought.

RayCon

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

A bit from the NY Times on Mona Nemmer, the nutritionalist hired from Bayern last Summer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/sports/soccer/liverpool-jurgen-klopp-team-nutritionist.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fsports&action=click&contentCollection=sports&region=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=1

Cheers for posting .... interesting read.

5starpool

Match thread, etc.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102075067#post102075067

Harry Palmr

On the Lucas to Inter thing, Liverpool have been linked with a Brazilian forward at the club named Gabriel Barbosa, he's 20 and "the next Neymar" (well of course!) looking at ForzaInter it seems a loan move is being mooted but within Serie A. If he came the other way surely it would be a loan to buy as nothing else would make sense.

ShamoBuc

Harry Palmr wrote: »

On the Lucas to Inter thing, Liverpool have been linked with a Brazilian forward at the club named Gabriel Barbosa, he's 20 and "the next Neymar" (well of course!) looking at ForzaInter it seems a loan move is being mooted but within Serie A. If he came the other way surely it would be a loan to buy as nothing else would make sense.

When we deal with a Series A side, deals normally don't make sense.

Agent Coulson

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Looks like we are being linked to another young Brazilian forward who hasn't settled at Inter.

The last one worked out ok.

As I said a few days ago the last Brazilian kid we got from Inter worked out ok.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Harry Palmr wrote: »

On the Lucas to Inter thing, Liverpool have been linked with a Brazilian forward at the club named Gabriel Barbosa, he's 20 and "the next Neymar" (well of course!) looking at ForzaInter it seems a loan move is being mooted but within Serie A. If he came the other way surely it would be a loan to buy as nothing else would make sense.

20yo on his way up for a 30yo on his way down?

I like the way this makes sooo much sense for us.

http://www.transfermarkt.ie/gabriel-barbosa/profil/spieler/244275

And he can play along the frontline and is a left footer which will please some:)

NukaCola

Gabriel Barbosa is awesome in FM 2017.....other than that I dont know anything about him.....

NukaCola

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

20yo on his way up for a 30yo on his way down?

I like the way this makes sooo much sense for us.

http://www.transfermarkt.ie/gabriel-barbosa/profil/spieler/244275

And he can play along the frontline and is a left footer which will please some:)

Does it make sense though? He signed for Inter for like 30 million a few months ago, not sure why Inter would sell......not sure if theres much in this particular rumour tbh.

One_Of_Shanks

I'd prefer to keep Lucas for the rest of the season rather than lose him but if someone else is coming in and it's what the manager wants then you'd have to trust his judgement.

I have a HUGE amount of respect for Lucas so if it's what he wants too then that's also important.

corwill

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

I'd prefer to keep Lucas for the rest of the season rather than lose him but if someone else is coming in and it's what the manager wants then you'd have to trust his judgement.

I have a HUGE amount of respect for Lucas so if it's what he wants too then that's also important.

In terms of being fair to Lucas, he had what was, iirc, a very decent deal on the table from Turkey in the summer, which was nixed for the sake of 3 starts since. I think he's been a good enough servant of the club that he shouldn't be held back this time, for the sake of being 4th, maybe 5th, choice centre back.

One_Of_Shanks

corwill wrote: »

I think he's been a good enough servant of the club that he shouldn't be held back this time, for the sake of being 4th, maybe 5th, choice centre back.

Absolutely.

Knex*

Hope ye've had a good Christmas lads. Looking forward to the game today.

Less family, more football. You could argue we're winning already.