Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

Agent Coulson

Whatever about who is or should be captain what we don't have and really could do with a player who can just grab the game by the scruff of the neck when lose control of the game.



A big dirty Bast@rd if you will.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Is our game tomorrow being televised?

Harry Palmr

Only on BT Sport 2

One_Of_Shanks

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Whatever about who is or should be captain what we don't have and really could do with a player who can just grab the game by the scruff of the neck when lose control of the game.

exactly

Henderson has the 2nd highest amount of tackles in the league.

Added to that he has the highest amount of passes.


Not bad.

Knex*

I was very sceptical about Henderson playing further back, but he's really grown into it. He's been excellent for us this year, imo.

I'm not sure what more he could do in the role he plays, tbh.

charolais0153

Sergio Ramos is the ideal captain that has insoired RM at important times. Neymar for Brazil pulls them up. Messsi for Argentina scored a couple of extremely important goals. Rinaldo dragged Portugal to that final. Ibrahimovic likewise to Sweden.

Knex*

charolais0153 wrote: »

Sergio Ramos is the ideal captain that has insoired RM at important times. Neymar for Brazil pulls them up. Messsi for Argentina scored a couple of extremely important goals. Rinaldo dragged Portugal to that final. Ibrahimovic likewise to Sweden.

If you're even comparing Henderson to Ramos, Neymar, Messi and Ronaldo, he must be doing alright.

You're talking about some of the greatest players of all time there, not exactly fair comparisons.

One_Of_Shanks

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Henderson has the 2nd highest amount of tackles in the league.

Added to that he has the highest amount of passes.


Not bad.

He's better than not bad. Nobody questioned his quality as a player.

I think its a bit sad that you can't debate the merits and demerits of a player regarding captaincy which is all Toby was trying to do, without it turning into some sort of weird attack/defence of the player.

Nobody here said henderson is a bad player.

charolais0153

charolais0153 wrote: »

Sergio Ramos is the ideal captain that has insoired RM at important times. Neymar for Brazil pulls them up. Messsi for Argentina scored a couple of extremely important goals. Rinaldo dragged Portugal to that final. Ibrahimovic likewise to Sweden.

It's great if you've a world class player as captain, who drags results out of nothing. Unfortunately it's not always possible for the vast majority of teams in the real world.

Klopp is happy with Henderson as captain and he is playing at a high level all season. He also has 4 or 5 lads in front of him getting the attacking work done.

Go to a game and watch Henderson throughout a game. Always talking to players, encouraging them particularly younger ones.

There's a reason he has been captain at all levels in his career

mormank

charolais0153 wrote: »

Sergio Ramos is the ideal captain that has insoired RM at important times. Neymar for Brazil pulls them up. Messsi for Argentina scored a couple of extremely important goals. Rinaldo dragged Portugal to that final. Ibrahimovic likewise to Sweden.

Actually I'm pretty sure Neymar requested not to be captain anymore for Brazil. At least that's what Phil Vickery said on Wprld Football phone in. Aside from Ramos all of those players are attacking players so would be expected to score anyway regardless of being captain.

mormank

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Sent off? What are you on about?

Dinosaurs are extinct. People who are good captains are not.

And as for sending off, dunno what you're on about.

Ok all I'm saying is that leadership has gone out of the game in general. The type of player that is a leader has become so rare. Hence we don't have one and Hendo is captain instead. Tbf he has done a fine job so far this season in his new role and as captain imo.

One_Of_Shanks

mormank wrote: »

Ok all I'm saying is that leadership has gone out of the game in general. The type of player that is a leader has become so rare. Hence we don't have one and Hendo is captain instead. Tbf he has done a fine job so far this season in his new role and as captain imo.

Leadership will never go out of the game.

If it has become rarer then it makes it more important when you find it.

I agree with what Toby and Agent Coulson said.

And tbh, if Milner was captain permanently then I'd be a bit happier but that's just me.
Each to their own. I just have a wee bit of doubt about Henderson as captain, being honest.

mormank

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Leadership will never go out of the game.

If it has become rarer then it makes it more important when you find it.

I agree with what Toby and Agent Coulson said.

And tbh, if Milner was captain permanently then I'd be a bit happier but that's just me.
Each to their own. I just have a wee bit of doubt about Henderson as captain, being honest.

Oh but it has gone out of of the game, well ok not entirely but it really is much rarer than it 20 years ago even.

One_Of_Shanks

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

He's better than not bad. Nobody questioned his quality as a player.

I think its a bit sad that you can't debate the merits and demerits of a player regarding captaincy which is all Toby was trying to do, without it turning into some sort of weird attack/defence of the player.

Nobody here said henderson is a bad player.

You're getting your LFC knickers in a twist.

Nothing weird about pointing about a players strengths when he is being debated.

I wasn't even replying to Toby anyway originally as far as I know.

Iused2likebusts

I'd say terry is the last of the captains in the traditional sense. I'm struggling to think of another in the PL. Arguments could be made for Wes Morgan last year possibly but that's probably just because they achieved something great.

One_Of_Shanks

RoboKlopp wrote: »

You're getting your LFC knickers in a twist.

Nothing weird about pointing about a players strengths when he is being debated.

I wasn't even replying to Toby anyway originally as far as I know.

Lol, my knickers are completely untwisted!

A few people were beginning to defend Henderson's abilities as a player so I was pointing out that nobody ever questioned him in that way, it was a chat about the captains role, thats all.

Off now to iron my underwear!

Agent Coulson

I see we are being linked with Jese today after Emery said he may leave before the end of this transfer window after only 9 games for PSG.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/01/06/premier-league-transfer-news-rumours-west-ham-make-20-million/

Knex*

His hype seems all a bit Bojan to me.

Agent Coulson

With Mane away we will more than likely be linked to every attacker that a bit unsettled at their club.

I'm sure one of the papers will get the link to the right player eventually.

Harry Palmr

Stats and infographics

Shot dominance



Attacking effectiveness



Defensive effectiveness



as you can see if Liverpool could get out of that bottom left corner and into the top left block instead we'd be laughing to a probable title.

An U18s squad was sent to Germany to play in the 2017 ebmpapst Hallenmasters - an indoor tournament for 5 a sides and they've won it! Beating host club Fortuna Dusseldorf having played TSV Munich (defeat) SC Freiburg (win), Fortuna Dusseldorf (defeat) SV Hollenbach (win), Karlsruher (draw), Heerenveen (win), Bayer Leverkusen (win) on the way.

Potential Underachiever

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Whatever about who is or should be captain what we don't have and really could do with a player who can just grab the game by the scruff of the neck when lose control of the game.



A big dirty Bast@rd if you will.

A Stevie Gerrard, they just don't make em like that anymore though.

BorneTobyWilde

So if Chinese club come with a bid for Sturridge of 40m will we except offer. And would he go earn his 1m a week wages in the land of dragons and emperors, or reject move and play second fiddle.

martyos121

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

So if Chinese club come with a bid for Sturridge of 40m will we except offer. And would he go earn his 1m a week wages in the land of the rising sun, or reject move and play second fiddle.

He'd probably forget about that mystery job in Japan you mentioned and just stick to playing football in China.

mosstin

martyos121 wrote: »

He'd probably forget about that mystery job in Japan you mentioned and just stick to playing football in China.

You have to credit his Ninja edit, particularly in this instance.

BorneTobyWilde

Sturridge would have a great nick name over there, the fans could call him
Lim Ping

ElTel

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sturridge would have a great nick name over there, the fans could call him
Lim Ping

Tang Kin in the land of. Japan perhaps.

Glico Man

ElTel wrote: »

Tang Kin in the land of. Japan perhaps.

Nah, his nickname there would be Lotus Away... I'm sure yous can all figure that out :pac:

5starpool

Good interview with Klopp and Lijnders about the youth system.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spgsqm

Agent Coulson

It looks like we are going to try and sign Promes most papers and websites have it this morning.

TitianGerm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

It looks like we are going to try and sign Promes most papers and websites have it this morning.

From my extensive research and vast knowledge developed in the last two minutes on him I believe he will be an outstanding signing.

Agent Coulson

emmetkenny wrote: »

From my extensive research and vast knowledge developed in the last two minutes on him I believe he will be an outstanding signing.

Wijnaldum also "Thanked", Liked or Re-something on the internet so that proves he is coming to Liverpool no need for any other proof.

Morzadec

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Stats and infographics

Love this guys charts, cheers for posting.

I've seen these over several seasons and this could well be the most impressive I've seen us. We always have tons of shots and "dominance" but usually find ourselves in the "Energetically Wasteful" category.

Quite surprised at just how well we are doing defensively in terms of limiting opponent shots. Of course as you say the problem is that opponents don't actually need a huge amount of shots to score against us.

While it's always unfair and simplistic to point towards one cause for a stat, I'm going to do just that and say that I would be hopeful for an improved performance here now that we have dropped Karius.

Very very impressive overall though it has to said. Have to also point out that Spurs look impressive on that chart.

NukaCola

emmetkenny wrote: »

From my extensive research and vast knowledge developed in the last two minutes on him I believe he will be an outstanding signing.

Not extensive without obligatory 5 min youtube video of player looking world class, with awful awful music!

5starpool

Liverpool are regularly linked with players in Russia, but but never sign them.

Harry Palmr

5starpool wrote: »

Good interview with Klopp and Lijnders about the youth system.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spgsqm

Excellent reading - glad they've noticed Rhian Brewster. With all the excitement about Woodburn he has slightly got overlooked but he looks every bit as promising. Someone who really needs a senior appearance is Harry Wilson who has been tearing up the U23 League this season, he either scores, assists or does both pretty much every game.

ps fancy starting a match thread?

5starpool

Doneski

Buford T. Justice XIX

Sevilla approach Liverpool about signing Mamadou Sakho. Liverpool will only let him leave on permanent deal & they want £20 million.

https://twitter.com/SkyKaveh/status/818070019968036866

Agent Coulson

Plenty of clubs will pay £20m for Sakho the question is does he want to go to those clubs.

Potential Underachiever

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sturridge would have a great nick name over there, the fans could call him
Lim Ping

Textbook thanks whoring, you didn't try too hard and you showed some originality, lessons to be learnt for all, sit back and enjoy the deserved thanks, well played.

garra

5starpool wrote: »

Good interview with Klopp and Lijnders about the youth system.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spgsqm

Excellent article and thanks for sharing.

It's bloody great that we have a manager who prefers to work with the players he has, rather than run to the market at every populist whim for a star player.

In an age when fickle fans scream "Show me the money" to their club owners, we thankfully have a sustainable approach to player recruitment which involves developing our young players into stars that know and fit the system Klopp likes to play. Without rich oil money owners this is the only way to compete and I reckon we have the best developer of talent in the game aside from Wenger.

We can keep the heart & soul of the club rooted in Liverpool without selling out completely and changing stadium name & bringing on cheer-leaders at half time etc.

And if the financial bubble of football does burst, we should be less exposed to the down side as a result. Win win on every front.

Turtyturd

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Sturridge would have a great nick name over there, the fans could call him
Lim Ping

Xiansheng boli.

Turtyturd

Ojo has to score that.

larrymiller

What's the story with grujic?

TitianGerm

larrymiller wrote: »

What's the story with grujic?

He's injured isn't he?

Agent Coulson

I'm sure if Daniel did go to China the polit bureau would soon sort out his medical needs.

larrymiller

emmetkenny wrote: »

He's injured isn't he?

Not sure. He used to be making the squad and then disappeared off the radar.

Agent Coulson

Grujic out with a tendon injury.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c6

Buford T. Justice XIX

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Grujic out with a tendon injury.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c6

At least Daniel went back for a visit...:pac:

Agent Coulson

Hopefully Klopp will give Bobby a run out so the Plymouth players can say they played against a world class forward :P