Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 2016/2017

sword1

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Firmino's form directly coincides with Coutinho's departure from the team, now that we have them back together it'd be mad to drop Bobby without giving him a chance up top with Phil.

I agree ,but slightly worrying that he seems to show nothing without Coutinho. It has been a good few games now

~Rebel~

sword1 wrote: »

I agree ,but slightly worrying that he seems to show nothing without Coutinho. It has been a good few games now

But it's two factors at once...both being without the player he has the best chemistry with, and being out of his best position.

Just over the whole of his LFC career, he's pretty consistent in how he plays out wide...runs around a lot, has great moments, but doesn't get as involved in the game. When he has a central starting position he's a great foil for the attackers either side, and has a great sense of when to vacate that space for someone else coming in.

An underestimated amount of what he does is actually in his movement away from the area, facilitating runs. That's imo the difference of his starting positions being wide or central, even though he often drifts central when he starts wide - but in doing so he's trying the make the runs he's normally facilitating from the center. The team just works better with him as the go-between up front.

It's also why i think we should be moving for one more high quality wide attacker, as when Coutinho or Mane are out, it's a decent drop down to the next option, so Firmino himself is always shuffled wide. The alternative is Lallana coming up, but he's missed more in midfield then. We could try Wijnaldum or Milner there too, but that brings the same problem...would be nice to have an extra option that doesn't mean weakening another position on the field. I'd kind of like to see an older, experienced head coming in, so they're not in the way of Woodburn/Ojo etc's progress long term. Like the equivalent of a Maxi or Bellamy back in the day.

Gbear

I don't think the requirement for control from our midfield means Can can never have a place.

I thought he was fairly awful playing the deep role against Plymouth - he doesn't look like he has the discipline. He wants to do too much with the ball and rashness in that position puts us in serious trouble.
I don't think he's a stupid player by any means - he can show great vision at times and can play with his head up.
Maybe he could grow into it, but I don't think he's that kind of player.
You'd expect lithe tacticians or little terriers to fill that role. He looks more like a rugby player.

The sense I get of him, particularly with a player as solid and calmly efficient as Wijnaldum taking his place, is that he's constantly trying to prove how amazing he is on the pitch as a way of standing out.
That's something that might be worked out of him as he matures and sees how important someone doing the unglamourous work of Gini and Hendo gets the whole team results.

For me his current role ought to be more as Lallana's understudy than the deeper two.
It's not a question of fulfilling the same role - Lallana's an agile, technical player, as opposed to Can the stampeding rhinoceros, will do different things from that position.

Sometimes there's a call for more directness from deep and that's something Can can do better than anyone in the team. Despite his apparent cumbersomeness at times, he really can glide through players if there's any bit of space at all.

He's a bit more finicky to fit in in terms of who compliments him and deals with his weaknesses, but there have been games this season where we've been dominant but can't break through and someone like him could help with that.
It's could be particularly acute given that we we're now without Mane as well.

There were times last season where he was trampling all over the opposition and I think we need to give him the chance to get back to that.
I'm sure Klopp hasn't given up on him, by any means.

Utopia Parkway

Just saw earlier that our first choice front three (Coutinho, Firmino and Mane) haven't played together in 7 weeks and probably won't play together again until early February.

Probably no coincidence that we were flying when we had all three together. We've had some good results since (Everton, City) but also struggled in a few games.

Agent Coulson

I don't know what everyone is worried about sure we have our world class striker match fit for the game on Sunday.


Daniel will over come and lead the way.

murpho999

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't know what everyone is worried about sure we have our world class striker match fit for the game on Sunday.


Daniel will over come and lead the way.

You really are obsessed with him.

Osmosis Jones

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Firmino's form directly coincides with Coutinho's departure from the team, now that we have them back together it'd be mad to drop Bobby without giving him a chance up top with Phil.

There's no way he'll be dropped for PL game. Could have done with being benched from start last night though.

His early season form could have gone to his head.... he might actually think he's the main man :pac:

We all know that's coutinho.... Mane.... Henderson or lallana depending on their form in the previous game

murpho999

murpho999 wrote: »

You really are obsessed with him.

To be fair he's getting over a break in. Effected all parts of his life. I'd give the chap a break

NukaCola

Did someone call Danny world class? And was it more than one person? Or am I missing the joke entirely?

StringerBell

I used to regularly hear that Sturridge was world class at one point, not so much anymore of course.

NukaCola

NukaCola wrote: »

Did someone call Danny world class? And was it more than one person? Or am I missing the joke entirely?

Who knows.
Don't recall anyone recently saying anything along those lines.

Utopia Parkway

StringerBell wrote: »

I used to regularly hear that Sturridge was world class at one point, not so much anymore of course.

Certainly a world class finisher at one point. Not the same player these days unfortunately. Can still finish but physically and maybe mentally not the same.

Turtyturd

Was about as world class as Mata, Darmain, and Chris Smalling, don't hear that too much these days either though.

dfx-

Caught the second half last night and Liverpool were desperately poor.

Milner was very easy to defend, he cuts back onto his right foot and delivers a looping in-swinging cross the keeper can predict.

At this stage, Mane is so fundamental to the team's effectiveness in attack that a replacement should be bought for any time he's injured or to give him some games off...

That'll sort 'em turdy .... good lad

BorneTobyWilde

1 defeat in last 18 league games
Hopefully we make that 1 in 19 on Sunday

corwill

J Mysterio

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't know what everyone is worried about sure we have our world class striker match fit for the game on Sunday.


Daniel will over come and lead the way.

Will you give that sh1t a rest? That snipey 'world class' stuff is really childish.

Grayditch

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

1 defeat in last 18 league games
Hopefully we make that 1 in 19 on Sunday

Have some ambition, man. 0 in 19.

Charlie19

J Mysterio wrote: »

Will you give that sh1t a rest? That snipey 'world class' stuff is really childish.

Is it not just a joke at this stage?

I've got to the point of ignoring it now, Sturridge is well beyond becoming a "fans favourite" Sure he hasn't even got a song.

Thankfully he doesn't need music.

Agent Coulson

Lined up for Strictly Come Dancing next Christmas if he can stay injury free.

OwaynOTT

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sky will start with watch the whole game on the Spidercam just press red then it will the Spidercam on Sky Sports 6 then it will be only 9.99 to add the Spidercam channel to your Sky Sports package exclusively on HD then it will move to you can only watch the Spidercam on Sky Q 3tb boxes which are only available for an extra 12.99 ontop of a full Sky World 3d UHD package.

But then you ring up and say you're cancelling to get it half price for the next 6 months.
Because your friend did it last month.

Osmosis Jones

Here we go

Agent Coulson

We won't be signing any players this window I'm guessing.

J Mysterio

Gerrard to be awarded Freedom of Liverpool

Osmosis Jones

Yep, not that surprising.

StringerBell

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

Certainly a world class finisher at one point. Not the same player these days unfortunately. Can still finish but physically and maybe mentally not the same.

He was freakishly consistent that year ye really went close to the title, think he scored in the last 8 games in a row or something and that he was getting more of the 1st or 2nd goals as opposed to Suarez who was getting the run up the score goals more, not to take away from him of course. The opposition having to focus so much on trying to stop him allowed Sturridge more room to work and as you say he is a class finisher.

Potential Underachiever

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Here we go

Extremely disappointing, lack of ambition from the club.

~Rebel~

StringerBell wrote: »

He was freakishly consistent that year ye really went close to the title, think he scored in the last 8 games in a row or something and that he was getting more of the 1st or 2nd goals as opposed to Suarez who was getting the run up the score goals more, not to take away from him of course. The opposition having to focus so much on trying to stop him allowed Sturridge more room to work and as you say he is a class finisher.

It really is such a shame he doesn't have the same mobility he used to, to put him into those deadly situations. There was one moment yesterday that summed it up for me - he got the ball in the corner, and make a quick turn and run to try to speed around his man at the by-line. The defender easily outpaced him, won the ball back and played it out to a teammate. The Sturridge of 2 or 3 years ago would have been too quick to handle, but looked just so very slow off the mark in that instance.

Still a great 'in the box, turn a shoot' guy, but has lost that extra dimension he had that made him such a handful everywhere in the final third.

Agent Coulson

StringerBell wrote: »

He was freakishly consistent that year ye really went close to the title, think he scored in the last 8 games in a row or something and that he was getting more of the 1st or 2nd goals as opposed to Suarez who was getting the run up the score goals more, not to take away from him of course. The opposition having to focus so much on trying to stop him allowed Sturridge more room to work and as you say he is a class finisher.

That's same reason we got £50m for Sterling defenders had there focus on Suarez most of the time and gave the other attackers plenty of space to do their thing and look better than they actually were.

..... I often look at the YouTube goals vids of that year, over 20 goals by Sterling .... unreal..... oh wait...

Sturridge got a good goal to games ratio when Suarez was banned too iirc..... if Bobby was as good without coutinho we would be flying...

MD1990

Very childish this Sturridge vs Firmino debate or whatever it is.
I prefer Firmino over Sturridge.

Main reason would be that even if Firmino is not playing well he will still contribute through his work rate & pressing which is vital in our style of play. Sturridge in a different type of player excellent finisher but less suited to our style & I'm still unsure if has made one tackle this season which is incredible. Also Sturridge days of being anywhere near world class are long gone.

Knex*

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

Yep, not that surprising.

If Pulisic and Brandt are the targets for this club, then I'm very happy tbh. If we avoid signing a player for the sake of it and actually manage to get one of those two in the summer, I doubt too many could look back in hindsight and complain.

Either of them would be fantastic additions.

I can't see either Dortmund or Leverkusen being easy to do a deal with though, as they're both unlikely to want to sell.

garra

StringerBell wrote: »

He was freakishly consistent that year ye really went close to the title, think he scored in the last 8 games in a row or something and that he was getting more of the 1st or 2nd goals as opposed to Suarez who was getting the run up the score goals more, not to take away from him of course. The opposition having to focus so much on trying to stop him allowed Sturridge more room to work and as you say he is a class finisher.

Yeah it was the first 6 games of that season I think, Suarez on a bitey-ban at the time and we won a lot of those 1-0 with Danny featuring heavily

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

..........I'm still unsure if has made one tackle this season which is incredible. ...........

I'd be with Xabi on that one, especially when it comes to strikers Xabi Alonso - ''Tackling is not really a quality''
We had plenty of the ball v S'ton so pressing & tackling by our strikers wasn't the issue.

also I don't see why it has to be a firmino or Sturridge debate tbh.
Squad game etc etc and we are mid season.

Sturridge might be remembered by many for injuries after a great season full of goals. Who'll remember the 1 in 3 striker who was great at tackling and pressing?

kfallon

garra wrote: »

Yeah it was the first 6 games of that season I think, Suarez on a bitey-ban at the time and we won a lot of those 1-0 with Danny featuring heavily

1-0 Stoke (Sturridge)
1-0 Villa (Sturridge)
1-0 Utd (Sturridge)
2-2 Swansea (Sturridge, Moses)
0-1 Southampton

Then Suarez was back

MD1990

Augeo wrote: »

I'd be with Xabi on that one, especially when it comes to strikers Xabi Alonso - ''Tackling is not really a quality''
We had plenty of the ball v S'ton so pressing & tackling by our strikers wasn't the issue.

also I don't see why it has to be a firmino or Sturridge debate tbh.
Squad game etc etc and we are mid season.

Sturridge might be remembered by many for injuries after a great season full of goals. Who'll remember the 1 in 3 striker who was great at tackling and pressing?

Either do I. But I'm not the one making Firmino jibes like a child when Sturridge gets criticised. Although Agent Coulsen did start it all.

I never mentioned the Southampton game either but Sturridge's lack of movement & runs in behind are another part of his game which needs to improve.

Dirk Kuyt is very fondly remembered by Liverpool fans.

5starpool

Augeo wrote: »

Who'll remember the 1 in 3 striker who was great at tackling and pressing?

Dirk Kuyt? Granted he didn't play as a striker consistently, but that's what he was signed for and played there a good few times. He was 1 in 4 and plenty remember him with fondness, precisely for his workrate and attitude.

Buford T. Justice XIX

MD1990 wrote: »

Very childish this Sturridge vs Firmino debate or whatever it is.
I prefer Firmino over Sturridge.

Main reason would be that even if Firmino is not playing well he will still contribute through his work rate & pressing which is vital in our style of play. Sturridge in a different type of player excellent finisher but less suited to our style & I'm still unsure if has made one tackle this season which is incredible. Also Sturridge days of being anywhere near world class are long gone.

As you said, he is still a great finisher and will definitely do a job for someone with a different style of play to us.

The question now is who will we buy to replace him next summer.

Harry Palmr

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Extremely disappointing, lack of ambition from the manager.

FYP

OwaynOTT

There's only so much galvanizing we can put up before the roofs collapsing in on us.

5starpool

If Klopp can't buy someone he'd want to get long term then there is no point in buying someone who he isn't fully happy with. We are undeniably thin in depth, but it is our form at the minute that is causing any anxiety. We will play better than we have in recent games, although whether we can do it often enough to make this a very good season is a different matter. Everything will need to go perfectly nearly in order to win the league, and that was always the case.

3rd and a cup will be a very good season for us. CL places alone will be a good season. Winning the league would be indescribable.

ArmaniJeanss

Klopp is basically Avon Barksdale, happy to organise the local hoodlums to perfectly run the drug business in the projects and sink estates. And does it superbly.
But don't talk to him about investing in high end condos needing planning permission down the seafront, he's happy with his corners.

Agent Coulson

MD1990 wrote: »

Either do I. But I'm not the one making Firmino jibes like a child when Sturridge gets criticised. Although Agent Coulsen did start it all.

I never mentioned the Southampton game either but Sturridge's lack of movement & runs in behind are another part of his game which needs to improve.

Dirk Kuyt is very fondly remembered by Liverpool fans.

I started all what?

Knex*

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Klopp is basically Avon Barksdale, happy to organise the local hoodlums to perfectly run the drug business in the projects and sink estates. And does it superbly.
But don't talk to him about investing in high end condos needing planning permission down the seafront, he's happy with his corners.

Great show.

kfallon

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Klopp is basically Avon Barksdale, happy to organise the local hoodlums to perfectly run the drug business in the projects and sink estates. And does it superbly.
But don't talk to him about investing in high end condos needing planning permission down the seafront, he's happy with his corners.

So do we need to bring in a Stringer Bell to work with him???

brevity

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Klopp is basically Avon Barksdale, happy to organise the local hoodlums to perfectly run the drug business in the projects and sink estates. And does it superbly.
But don't talk to him about investing in high end condos needing planning permission down the seafront, he's happy with his corners.

Nah, we need to Brother Mouzone up in this bitch.

5starpool

kfallon wrote: »

So do we need to bring in a Stringer Bell to work with him???

Nah, he posts in the united thread. Leave him where he is.

Mourinho is Marlo Stanfield. He has all the money and muscle, but it'll all end in tears (hopefully).

Boom_Bap

Retired Sturridge

Blondie919

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Klopp is basically Avon Barksdale, happy to organise the local hoodlums to perfectly run the drug business in the projects and sink estates. And does it superbly.
But don't talk to him about investing in high end condos needing planning permission down the seafront, he's happy with his corners.

Hmmmm I don't see it. I wanna say "True dat" but.....................