how to work out where on the laft to right spectrum you are

the_pen_turner

Reading threads on here I see opinions that are branded left and some I see branded right. I agree with some parts from both sides.

Is there a graph that shows the views of each side

alastair

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Reading threads on here I see opinions that are branded left and some I see branded right. I agree with some parts from both sides.

Is there a graph that shows the views of each side

Try this test and see where it plots your views: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

Overheal

I appear to be left of center libertarian. Ghasp

the_pen_turner

that says im slightly left and slightly authoritarion

Slydice

the_pen_turner wrote: »

that says im slightly left and slightly authoritarion

Seems this thread has reached a conclusion so.

the_pen_turner

Slydice wrote: »

Seems this thread has reached a conclusion so.

i suppose so but i think it is in the center because its an average.

i would like to see a timeline type graph that shows views as it goes from left to right

Slydice

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i suppose so but i think it is in the center because its an average.

i would like to see a timeline type graph that shows views as it goes from left to right

It sounds like you want to be somewhere on the graph and that you would like to know what could change the position.

They give advice about how they make their results on the final page. That might be a good start at figuring it out.

the_pen_turner

i dont care wher i am i just want know .
i dont want to change

basically i want to know what beliefs or views are held by the diferent sections of the scale.


i would like to have a list like this

extreme left
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left
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middle
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right
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extreme right

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Slydice

the_pen_turner wrote: »

basically i want to know what beliefs or views are held by the diferent sections of the scale.

Look on the left menu. Under 'Region Specific'. They've given some example results for many recent election results.

I am guessing that they made them by guessing the answers for many of the people/political parties.

Brian?

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i dont care wher i am i just want know .
i dont want to change

basically i want to know what beliefs or views are held by the diferent sections of the scale.


i would like to have a list like this

extreme left
____________________________
______________________________
________________________
___________________________


left
____________________________
_____________________________
-_________________________________
_____________________________


middle
____________________________
____________________________
-___________________________
________________________________


right
_____________________________
____________________________
______________________________
_____________________________


extreme right

_________________________
____________________________
______________________________
_____________________________

Libertarian socialist(extreme left): an egalitarian stateless society. No private property rights. Workers control the means of production.

GerB40

I'm a libertarian?? I though I was more of a realist than that but to be fair, some of those questions were ridiculously loaded and there was no option to pass on some of them. There must be more accurate ways to understand your political ideology..

alastair

GerB40 wrote: »

I'm a libertarian?? I though I was more of a realist than that but to be fair, some of those questions were ridiculously loaded and there was no option to pass on some of them. There must be more accurate ways to understand your political ideology..

In fairness. It's kind of hard to load a question when you can respond with four degrees of agreement/disagreement. Other than including a neutral 'meh', which is a bit at odds with a test designed to determine opinions, rather than ambivalence, I'm not sure what they could have done differently.

MPFGLB

I think alot of these labels provide a taxonomy for simplistic purposes that help political commentators, election strategists and the media but the situation is more complex than one allows

For instance some of the voters with the most conservative views on social issues are the working class in Britain....issues like gay marraige or immigration . However on economics including higher state involvement,better welfare input, state run services including supporting trade unions etc they are on the 'left'

While many master degree level educated people who work in the city ,etc for instance will have quite liberal views on social issues but favour small government, reducing trade union powers and freedom from regulation for banks, etc

For me it demonstrates that many labels are becoming outdated while also showing how difficult it is for politicians to appeal to all their electorate

amacca

I'm as close to Ghandi as makes no difference according to that test! (just a smidge to the right)

What a turn up for the books after being accused of being no different to most of the dictators used as examples on that explanatory graph of theirs

A semi - leftist libertarian......................hmmm

NickNickleby

Slightly to the left, and slightly authoritarian.

So, I care about you, if you do what I tell you. Its for your own good, people.

NN

Brian?

NickNickleby wrote: »

Slightly to the left, and slightly authoritarian.

So, I care about you, if you do what I tell you. Its for your own good, people.

NN

I find the use of of authoritarian deceptive here. Someone can believe in strong state apparatuses without necessarily being authoritarian IMO. Most left wing people believe in a strong state, that is the direct expression of the will of the people. The people having authority of themselves and no one exerting authority over them.

As a libertarian socialist, I would have far more in common with a traditional socialist than I would with an anarcho capitalist libertarian. After all the end goal of socialism is a stateless society.

Permabear

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Brian?

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That would be a particularly negative view on it.

Could we throw a switch today and have a libertarian socialist society? 100% no.

Can we make gradual progress to the end goal of stateless egalitarian society with all functions of the state devolved directly to the people? Yes.

Social evolution is key, not a single catastrophic revolution that will change everything rapidly. Believe it or not, there are some ideas in Marxism I disagree with. I prefer evolution over revolution.

Brian?

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Honest question, how is this more like mob rule than a anarcho capitalist libertarian society?

lawred2

lol I'm in the exact same square, not the same quadrant, the same square as Gandhi

Top man that Gandhi

Permabear

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Ardillaun

'Laft'? Sounds like a Nordie spectrum.

Permabear

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Ardillaun

Left/libertarian. Don't think of myself that way.

Brian?

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I think the realisation that society is better served by placing the good of the whole above the good of the individual is the driving force behind social evolution. Society doesn't flourish as a collection of individuals.

Is your belief that without the monetary profit motive competitiveness and intelligence cannot be rewarded?

That's why I think "libertarian socialism" is ultimately an oxymoron. Socialism requires a powerful coercive authority to redistribute wealth so as to maintain equality; libertarianism cannot exist when people are coerced into redistributing their wealth and resources to others.

None of us pays taxes voluntarily. We pay them because the state threatens to put us in prison if we don't. In a libertarian socialist order, without a state, who would imprison me for non-compliance?

Taxes won't be necessary in my socialist utopia, money will be obsolete, wealth will be a collective resource.

Permabear

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Yourself isit

Permabear wrote: »

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The BMW cooperative will just give you one for no money. Come on.

realitykeeper

alastair wrote: »

Try this test and see where it plots your views: https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

I am in the same quadrant as Hitler and Thatcher (right wing/authoritarian). They are both a lot more authoritarian than me (especially Hitler) while on the economic scale I am slightly more right wing than Hitler but not quite as right wing as Mrs T. Because I am only very slightly authoritarian, and not too much more economically right wing than Hitler, I am reasonably close to the center point between the four quadrants.