Manchester United v Arsenal Match Thread. k/o 12.30

RobertKK

A big "Oooooohhhhh" followed by a so close by Mata.

NukaCola

Should have no complaint if that was given.....however soft the contact was.

monkey9

monkey9 wrote: »

The point is, Man U shouldn't be in the position they are in and that comes down to managerial inadequacies

what are you raving on about

DDC1990

Valencia is beyond a joke at this stage.

If he stayed on his feet Monreal was on the ground and he'd have a free shot.

His first reaction is to dive!

Heisenberg1

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Thats a peno fs

LoL

sky88

Don't think it was a peno at all on second look

No chance a pen

Cypher_sounds

Peno all day long, Monreal knew Valencia was in so stuck out the arm to impede him.

Jayop

DDC1990 wrote: »

Valencia is beyond a joke at this stage.

If he stayed on his feet Monreal was on the ground and he'd have a free shot.

His first reaction is to dive!

Dry your eyes. He was fouled, arm and leg.

Skylinehead

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Peno all day long, Monreal knew Valencia was in so stuck out the arm to impede him.

The arm impedes nothing though, he goes down all by himself.

dfx-

that was a definite penalty live...absolute dive on replay, excellent decision.

All on Sanchez for Arsenal going forward. Ozil, Ramsey anonymous.

tayto lover

Jayop wrote: »

So far Neville has said Herrera dived when he didn't. Walcott didn't dive when he did, and that a blatant penalty wasn't. Is he on something today?

Might have been on the rip with Wayne.

Sugarlumps

Nowhere near a peno.

GavRedKing

Big talking point anyway, first half hasnt really got going other than that.

RobertKK

Eventually United have to score.

NukaCola

Ramsey has been woeful....really really poor

jimmytwotimes 2013

Rojo must be near 100% pass completion to arsenal players

Skylinehead

Ramsey is a shambles, well done Cech

tayto lover

Ramsey not on his game at all today. Very careless and clumsy.

Cypher_sounds

Skylinehead wrote: »

The arm impedes nothing though, he goes down all by himself.

Slowed down his run, how he goes down is irrelevant. Should have been a peno.

sky88

Jayop wrote: »

So far Neville has said Herrera dived when he didn't. Walcott didn't dive when he did, and that a blatant penalty wasn't. Is he on something today?

Neville is terrible on United games

Burial.

Valencia is looking back at the ref looking for the pen before he even fully hits the turf. Clear as day dive or else Monreal is Popeye.

Heisenberg1

Very risky from Ramsey.

monkey9

M!Ck^ wrote: »

what are you raving on about

Man U should be better than this. I'm not raving, i hope you's lose, but what is Mourinho achieving here?

Skylinehead

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Slowed down his run, how he goes down is irrelevant. Should have been a peno.

If, as I said, he goes down "all by himself" it's a dive, hardly irrelevant.

RobertKK

Mata held on too long, and lost it, as everyone watching was think 'pass, pass, pass...'.

Bowlardo

poor game

Cypher_sounds

Skylinehead wrote: »

If, as I said, he goes down "all by himself" it's a dive, hardly irrelevant.

Most players dive when they have been fouled to increase the dramatics. It is not how they go down that wins them a free kick/peno..it's if they have been fouled before they hit the ground...surely you already know this.

RobertKK

monkey9 wrote: »

Man U should be better than this. I'm not raving, i hope you's lose, but what is Mourinho achieving here?

United need a manager who knows how to win CL.s, Premier Leagues, trophies.
Clearly Mourinho doesn't qualify...

United are not playing bad today.

sky88

Bowlardo wrote: »

poor game

Most pl games are poor quality

NukaCola

Think its been a decent game tbh......lack of real quality chances and Arsenal have done very little up top though.....set up for a good 2nd half

Skylinehead

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Most players dive when they have been fouled to increase the dramatics. It is not how they go down that wins them a free kick/peno..it's if they have been fouled before they hit the ground...surely you already know this.

"all by himself"

I will say no more, as you clearly aren't getting this bit.

tayto lover

Very poor stuff in that first half.

Skylinehead

United clearly the better side in that half, we haven't done much going forward.

Duck Soup

So far, a match to cure insomnia.

RobbingBandit

Lacking the killer blow on these shots at Arsenal goal, Blind on for Darmian.

RobertKK

United clearly better in the first half, but didn't take chances.

greendom

United were getting on top towards half time. Pleased its level at half time. Why is Alexis playing so deep?

Need to put the chances away
Ref not helping with poor decisions for the peno and for darmians first yellow

Burial.

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Most players dive when they have been fouled to increase the dramatics. It is not how they go down that wins them a free kick/peno..it's if they have been fouled before they hit the ground...surely you already know this.

Really? Then why is blatant diving such an issue in the modern game? Most players dive because they want to cheat the ref and the opposition...simple as.

Cypher_sounds

Skylinehead wrote: »

"all by himself"

I will say no more, as you clearly aren't getting this bit.

Crikey, so for example do you think a player who barley taps another player on the head with his hand or head forces that player to fall down like he has been shot?

monkey9

RobertKK wrote: »

United need a manager who knows how to win CL.s, Premier Leagues, trophies.
Clearly Mourinho doesn't qualify...

United are not playing bad today.

I'm fully aware of what Mourinho has achieved.

Let's see what the legend achieves here today what with Man U needing to win this.

greendom

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Need to put the chances away
Ref not helping with poor decisions for the peno and for darmians first yellow

Valencia was pushing on Monreal's back. Excellent refereeing

GavRedKing

Arsenal have a few passengers out there today but Ute havent created any clear cut chances, not yet anyway.

Sanchez had one of the best chances after 5mins but didnt make enough of it.

Cypher_sounds

Burial. wrote: »

Really? Then why is blatant diving such an issue in the modern game? Most players dive because they want to cheat the ref and the opposition...simple as.

I would say ALL players dive because they want to cheat the ref.
A lot that get fouled make it look more dramatic to enhance the chance of the perpetrator receiving a card.

Lucas Hood

Have to happy with Sanchez playing so deep.
Cant do much damage from them positions.

theoneeyedman

'Penalty' incident was a good call, incidental contact and a dive IMHO. Shows how much united have suffered since losing Howard Webb.

How is Ramsey on that Arsenal team, he is brutal. No presence up top for arsenal, better if they had giroud on and leave sanchez on the wing instead of the Welsh wizard

greendom

greendom wrote: »

Valencia was pushing on Monreal's back. Excellent refereeing

nope itwas a foul

leg and arm across him

DDC1990

Jayop wrote: »

Dry your eyes. He was fouled, arm and leg.

Still believe that?

There was no pull, no trip no contact with Valencia's leg.

At the very very worst it was obstruction (for the arm across him) which isn't a penalty anyway.

Plus Valencia's yellow card for the dive.

edgecutter

theoneeyedman wrote: »

'Penalty' incident was a good call, incidental contact and a dive IMHO. Shows how much united have suffered since losing Howard Webb.

How is Ramsey on that Arsenal team, he is brutal. No presence up top for arsenal, better if they had giroud on and leave sanchez on the wing instead of the Welsh wizard

The amount of ****e pens given this season and we are yet to get any calls. That challenge on Tony is a foul anywhere on the pitch.