Ireland v Australia - Build Up discussion/News

Nift

Deleted User wrote: »

"I'd never have guessed"... said no one ever.



PoM and Kilcoyne aren't with the squad currently, training with Munster this week.

As no one would have guessed you questioning anybody who dares suggest change. So boring at this stage.

BrokenMan

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Go with a 6 forwards, 2 backs split on the bench. Cut Marmion because let's face it, he's not getting on the field.

Call up Matt Healy. Covers Wing, Fullback and Scrum Half

Mr Tickle

BrokenMan wrote: »

Call up Matt Healy. Covers Wing, Fullback and Scrum Half

I was thinking about this recently. It would be great to have a genuinely versatile scrum half. Healy's probably as close as we have right now.

if we could have a 9/10 (greig laidlaw type) on the bench with a 10/centre (madigan/scannel type) and a back 3 player we'd have as much flexibility as you can get.

FellasFellas

Really hope he goes SOB/VDF/JH this week if CJ is out. TOH to FB for me without a doubt, rather him than moving Zebo and bringing in Earls, who will probably be 23rd man.

wp_rathead

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I was thinking about this recently. It would be great to have a genuinely versatile scrum half. Healy's probably as close as we have right now.

if we could have a 9/10 (greig laidlaw type) on the bench with a 10/centre (madigan/scannel type) and a back 3 player we'd have as much flexibility as you can get.

Matt Healy covers 9, 11, 14, 15
Olding covers 10, 12, 13, 15
Perfect for a 6:2 split

Buer

Mr Tickle wrote: »

I was thinking about this recently. It would be great to have a genuinely versatile scrum half. Healy's probably as close as we have right now.

if we could have a 9/10 (greig laidlaw type) on the bench with a 10/centre (madigan/scannel type) and a back 3 player we'd have as much flexibility as you can get.

At least we should keep our other players working on their goal kicking to give us a little flexibility on our outhalf.

It's well known than Conor Murray was a very decent kicker at AIL level. But Luke McGrath and Gary Ringrose were both top class goal kickers through the ranks too. McGrath kicked Ireland to the European U18 title with a massive penalty from just inside the opposition half, I recall and was it Ringrose who didn't miss a single kick when Blackrock won the SCT?

At least if we had those options on the pitch, it would give us that little extra flexibility for guys like Carbery to come into the game if required.

Scannell is someone that we could really do with coming through and should get a start in Japan, hopefully. His game ticks so many boxes but he needs to be tested at a higher level.

Zzippy

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Go with a 6 forwards, 2 backs split on the bench. Cut Marmion because let's face it, he's not getting on the field.

Yep, it's not like a team might target an important player for special treatment, especially when they know there is no replacement. Oh wait, we're not playing NZ this week? Carry on...

Buer

wp_rathead wrote: »

Matt Healy covers 9, 11, 14, 15
Olding covers 10, 12, 13, 15
Perfect for a 6:2 split

Would anyone genuinely trust Healy at scrum half anymore? I know he kept Murray out of the U20 Irish team but when called on to play there in the Pro12 final, he looked like a winger playing scrum half.

Mr Tickle

wp_rathead wrote: »

Matt Healy covers 9, 11, 14, 15
Olding covers 10, 12, 13, 15
Perfect for a 6:2 split

in theory...
imagine the holy show if we ended up with those two as our half backs in a tough game. throw in POM on the Wing and we could set some records

BrokenMan

Buer wrote: »

Would anyone genuinely trust Healy at scrum half anymore? I know he kept Murray out of the U20 Irish team but when called on to play there in the Pro12 final, he looked like a winger playing scrum half.

He slots in fine when needed to but no he isnt a genuine scrum half option now. My tongue was firmly in my cheek.

Jump_In_Jack

The way I see it, barring tiredness or injury, the team will be picked based on the following merit order:

1. J McGrath, 17. C Healy,
2. Best (capt.), 16. S Cronin, backup: Tracy,
3. Furlong, 18. Bealham,
4. D Ryan, 19. Henderson, backup: Dillane,
5. Toner,
6. Stander,
7. O'Brien, 20. van der Flier, backup: Leavy,
8. Heaslip (vice capt.),
9. Murray, 21. Marmion, backup: L McGrath,
10. Jackson, 22. Carbery, backup: R Scannell,
11. Zebo, backup: Earls,
12. Marshall, backup: Olding,
13. Payne, 23. Ringrose,
14. Trimble, Backup: Gilroy, Adeolokun,
15. R Kearney, backup: O'Halloran.

Personally would prefer if the props rotated, Tracy got a chance to sub instead of Cronin, D Ryan dropped of of the 23 so Henderson to 4. and Dillane to bench, if Stander is not 100% I'd put O'Brien at 6. and start van der Flier at 7. and Leavy to bench, put L McGrath on the bench ahead of Marmion, Earls in for Zebo, and O'Halloran in for R Kearney.

FellasFellas

Zebo is down in Cork today, do they have days off on Wednesdays?

CMOTDibbler

FellasFellas wrote: »

Zebo is down in Cork today, do they have days off on Wednesdays?

Usually yes.

wp_rathead

wp_rathead wrote: »

Matt Healy covers 9, 11, 14, 15
Olding covers 10, 12, 13, 15
Perfect for a 6:2 split

What would be our most versatile bench?

Furlong : 1 and 3 (he did okay that one time)
Bealham : 1 and 3
Strauss : 2 and 7
Dillane / Henderson / Kearney : 4,5,6
POM : 6,8,11,14
Murphy : 6,7,8
Healy : 9,11,14,15
Olding : 10,12,13,15

CMOTDibbler

Deleted User wrote: »

What would be our most versatile bench?

Furlong : 1 and 3 (he did okay that one time)
Bealham : 1 and 3
Strauss : 2 and 7
Dillane / Henderson / Kearney : 4,5,6
POM : 6,8,11,14
Murphy : 6,7,8
Healy : 9,11,14,15
Olding : 10,12,13,15

Ringrose 11, 12, 13, 14. That's just in the last year.

Bazzo

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Go with a 6 forwards, 2 backs split on the bench. Cut Marmion because let's face it, he's not getting on the field.

That's not true. He played 10 mins on the wing last weekend.

Adbrowne

Deleted User wrote: »

What would be our most versatile bench?

Furlong : 1 and 3 (he did okay that one time)
Bealham : 1 and 3
Strauss : 2 and 7
Dillane / Henderson / Kearney : 4,5,6
POM : 6,8,11,14
Murphy : 6,7,8
Healy : 9,11,14,15
Olding : 10,12,13,15

Madigan

9, 10, 12, 15, 21, 22


:cool:

CMOTDibbler

Adbrowne wrote: »

Madigan

9, 10, 12, 15, 21, 22


:cool:

Ah, you can't put in sub numbers. That's cheating :mad:

whatawaster

Adbrowne wrote: »

Madigan

9, 10, 12, 15, 21, 22


:cool:

you forgot 23

Adbrowne

whatawaster wrote: »

you forgot 23

He is the 23

RichieRich89

Ireland have been pretty physical in their games against the All Blacks. Do people think Australia will get parody up front?

Buer

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Do people think Australia will get parody up front?

Definitely.

Australia have been imitating a test level scrum for years.

leakyboots

leakyboots wrote: »

As I posted after the game at the weekend - in the light of SA's results since, my view of the tour down there has been further reinforced of one we left behind us against a poor team.

We definitely showed up well against the ABs in the two games, if we keep largely the same side I'm curious to see how we get on against Oz. A win sees us in good stead and we're on a major upward curve. A loss is a bit of a reality check before the next barometer which is England in the Six Nations.

And yet I'd love to see some changes - I know these won't happen in the light of players sent back to Munster, injury concerns etc - but if I were picking the team I'd try a new FB (TOH or Zebo), we'll have an injury-enforced new centre pairing (which is no bad thing in the long run) but Ringrose has to get 80 in. Maybe give Heaslip, McGrath and one of Toner/Ryan (probably Ryan) the weekend off for Healy/Killer, Dillane/Henderson, Stander at 8 with some combination of JvdF/POM/SOB... not that anyone needs a rest but just purely to explore options.

Deleted User wrote: »

"I'd never have guessed"... said no one ever.



PoM and Kilcoyne aren't with the squad currently, training with Munster this week.

Ah Venjur you could at least read my post before jumping in two feet first to score your internet points

Bazzo

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Ireland have been pretty physical in their games against the All Blacks. Do people think Australia will get parody up front?

Not sure about that, I hear David Pocock doesn't have much of a sense of humour.

Professor Moriarty

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Ireland have been pretty physical in their games against the All Blacks. Do people think Australia will get parody up front?

I think if Ireland's forwards play as they did last weekend then we should dominate in scrums and at the breakdown. Their lineout is pretty solid.

wp_rathead

Buer wrote: »

Would anyone genuinely trust Healy at scrum half anymore? I know he kept Murray out of the U20 Irish team but when called on to play there in the Pro12 final, he looked like a winger playing scrum half.

Well it was said tongue in cheek as not gonna happen

Healy moved to SH in the away game against Cardiff last season and did alright - Murray doesn't really come off in games so can see argument for it only being "break glass in case of emergency", be a hell of a gamble to go 6:2, but can't think of any other non Scrum half player who does have experience at 9

Apart from Denis Buckley :pac:

RichieRich89

wp_rathead wrote: »

Well it was said tongue in cheek as not gonna happen

Healy moved to SH in the away game against Cardiff last season and did alright - Murray doesn't really come off in games so can see argument for it only being "break glass in case of emergency", be a hell of a gamble to go 6:2, but can't think of any other non Scrum half player who does have experience at 9

Apart from Denis Buckley :pac:

Carbery played quite a lot of scrumhalf up until recently

RichieRich89

RichieRich89 wrote: »

Carbery played quite a lot of scrumhalf up until recently

He's slowly turning into Madigan.

Madigarbery

It's like somewhere British students go to get drunk and break sh1t.

CMOTDibbler

Deleted User wrote: »

He's slowly turning into Madigan.

Madigarbery

It's like somewhere British students go to get drunk and break sh1t.

It's just Madbery

or Cardigan

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

It's funny that this time last year POM's injury was a major issue, a key player out long term was a disaster and now he can't get back in the team even when fit and performing well. It's probably frustrating for him but it's a good position for us to be in.

Mr Tickle

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's funny that this time last year POM's injury was a major issue, a key player out long term was a disaster and now he can't get back in the team even when fit and performing well. It's probably frustrating for him but it's a good position for us to be in.

Stander qualified about 3 weeks too late to save our skin that time.

gamma001

Mr Tickle wrote: »

Stander qualified about 3 weeks too late to save our skin that time.

Think he qualified the day before the RWC final IIRC. I was dreaming of him being called up after the France game lol

Mr Tickle

gamma001 wrote: »

Think he qualified the day before the RWC final IIRC. I was dreaming of him being called up after the France game lol

Ireland make it to the final after Heaslip goes down in the semi.

Quite the dream

Nift

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/international-rugby/watch-stephen-ferris-reveals-priceless-anecdote-which-epitomises-joe-schmidts-attention-to-detail-35239748.html


For all those who doubt how ruthless Joe Schmidt is. And possibly why they fear making mistakes...if true.

Adbrowne

Nift wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/international-rugby/watch-stephen-ferris-reveals-priceless-anecdote-which-epitomises-joe-schmidts-attention-to-detail-35239748.html


For all those who doubt how ruthless Joe Schmidt is. And possibly why they fear making mistakes.

Dont see what the problem is, most sports at the top level have this type of discipline on and off the field expected. Was it Mal O'Kelly was dropped by EOS for oversleeping and missing the start of a team meeting once?

I seriously doubt JS has the players fearing a mistake on the pitch to the extent they play conservative.

flangemeistro

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's funny that this time last year POM's injury was a major issue, a key player out long term was a disaster and now he can't get back in the team even when fit and performing well. It's probably frustrating for him but it's a good position for us to be in.

I'm sure lots of fans of your persuasion think it's "funny" .

Kevski

flangemeistro wrote: »

I'm sure lots of fans of your persuasion think it's "funny" .

What is that even meant to mean?

irishbucsfan

flangemeistro wrote: »

I'm sure lots of fans of your persuasion think it's "funny" .

Sangre

Kevski wrote: »

What is that even meant to mean?

IT MEANS HE GETS RESULTS YOU STUPID CHIEF!

Kal El

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Ringrose 11, 12, 13, 14. That's just in the last year.

How about 9, we could finally have someone to come on who we trust

former total

Adbrowne wrote: »

Dont see what the problem is, most sports at the top level have this type of discipline on and off the field expected. Was it Mal O'Kelly was dropped by EOS for oversleeping and missing the start of a team meeting once?

I seriously doubt JS has the players fearing a mistake on the pitch to the extent they play conservative.

It was Kidney. Mal was inexplicably dropped after the first two games of the 09 Six Nations. It was later alleged that he was late for a team bus and was axed for it.

flangemeistro

irishbucsfan wrote: »

flangemeistro wrote: »

I'm sure lots of fans of your persuasion think it's "funny" .

Is that Jamie Heaslips attempt at Movember?

CMOTDibbler

Kal El wrote: »

How about 9, we could finally have someone to come on who we trust

Although he played 13 for Blackrock, he kicked for all their games. Before the final he had 16 from 17 off the tee from three games.

So he's the Joey Carbery designated kicker I suppose

Kal El

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Although he played 13 for Blackrock, he kicked for all their games. Before the final he had 16 from 17 off the tee from three games.

So he's the Joey Carbery designated kicker I suppose

..........what has that to do with sh :pac:
Has he kicked outside of schools?

CMOTDibbler

Kal El wrote: »

..........what has that to do with sh :pac:
Has he kicked outside of schools?

Well Murray can kick. There has to be some connection there.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

flangemeistro wrote: »

I'm sure lots of fans of your persuasion think it's "funny" .

I'm sure lots of fans of my persuasion know the word funny has more than one meaning.

Also, I could be wrong but I'm not sure I've ever declared my "persuasion", in any sense of the word.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

It's funny that this time last year POM's injury was a major issue, a key player out long term was a disaster and now he can't get back in the team even when fit and performing well. It's probably frustrating for him but it's a good position for us to be in.

I was thinking the same thing. His fitness is an issue but if we're just looking at this weekend alone he appears to be the 4th choice flanker at best. I think Leavy is retained in the squad ahead of him. Come the 6N everything could change obviously but the guys who are in there now are just playing so well.

Kal El

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Well Murray can kick. There has to be some connection there.

Ill take it

shuffol

I'm not surprised to see POM released, I don't think he's stood out physically in any of the games I've seen since his return even in the pro 12, certainly not to the extent you'd expect from an experienced international.

Personally I feel he's a little underpowered compared to other test back rows at the best of times though compensates for it with an excellent skill set. I think it'll take him a little longer to get back up to speed as a result.

MJohnston

Not sure if this has been posted already, but Murray Kinsella's predicted team:

5. Rob Kearney
14. Andrew Trimble
13. Jared Payne
12. Stuart Olding
11. Simon Zebo
10. Paddy Jackson
9. Conor Murray

1. Jack McGrath
2. Rory Best (captain)
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Donnacha Ryan
5. Devin Toner
6. CJ Stander
7. Sean O’Brien
8. Jamie Heaslip

Replacements:

16. Sean Cronin
17. Cian Healy
18. Finlay Bealham
19. Iain Henderson/Ultan Dillane
20. Josh van der Flier
21. Kieran Marmion
22. Joey Carbery
23. Garry Ringrose