Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

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clairewithani wrote: »

+1 on this. The more scumbags get rid of each other the better. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Surely a young girl being savagely attacked in that manner with the perpetrator still free is more of public interest.

The man shot in Dublin wasn't known to gardai, no criminal convictions, they're not sure if he was the intended target and his partner and children were in the house when there were shots fired.

But fcukit yeah, scumbags shooting each other, yay, we're all better than them so who cares.

Not that what happened to this girl isn't awful but that really is a repulsive attitude.

Goya

Well we ARE better than violent large-scale heroin dealers who terrorise as a way of life, and damage communities.

I don't like the idea of anyone enduring terrible physical pain but I still don't feel saddened or disgusted by the sentiments towards him on this thread. You reap what you sow. These are just words on the internet, look at what the guy and his associates did.

Edit: I mean in general and in relation to the guy in jail, not this case specifically as it's not certain this is the right guy.

Goya

marienbad wrote: »

Personally I have no need or desire to see 'the animals' die slow and miserably . It says quite a lot about those that do .

It says very little really. What relevance does his conviction and sentence have. An imprisoned awful person is still an awful person.

At least the cops in the US who refer to the ghettos as 'self-cleaning ovens' have the excuse of burnout from working the streets.

I can't imagine what motivates someone to wish a slow and painful death on another person, and imagine themselves better than they are at the same time.

smelly sock

I feel for people who commit these types of crimes we really should have an eye for an eye attitude and punishment.

They don't deserve the chance to be out amongst ordinary decent folk.

Firing squad is the way to go.

Candie

Candie wrote: »

At least the cops in the US who refer to the ghettos as 'self-cleaning ovens' have the excuse of burnout from working the streets.

I can't imagine what motivates someone to wish a slow and painful death on another person, and imagine themselves better than they are at the same time.

I can see your side but also the side of those who do wish a painful death on criminals. It's easy for us to have these opinions because really unless we have come face to face with evil or lost someone we loved to murder, a child to a peadophile, then we don't know how we'd feel.

January

Nylah Low Loafer wrote: »

The man shot in Dublin wasn't known to gardai, no criminal convictions, they're not sure if he was the intended target and his partner and children were in the house when there were shots fired.

But fcukit yeah, scumbags shooting each other, yay, we're all better than them so who cares.

Not that what happened to this girl isn't awful but that really is a repulsive attitude.

This the guy who was shot in Mulhuddart? You know him? They're quite sure he was the intended victim and it was related to feud.

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January wrote: »

This the guy who was shot in Mulhuddart? You know him? They're quite sure he was the intended victim and it was related to feud.

I'm just going on what it says in the linked article

marienbad

Deleted User wrote: »

I can see your side but also the side of those who do wish a painful death on criminals. It's easy for us to have these opinions because really unless we have come face to face with evil or lost someone we loved to murder, a child to a peadophile, then we don't know how we'd feel.

I think we can be fairly sure none of the gung-ho warriors on here don't fall in to that category

SnakePlissken

marienbad wrote: »

I can never understand these sentiments

I envy your innocence I really do.

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

I think we can be fairly sure none of the gung-ho warriors on here don't fall in to that category

Can you imagine if your child or partner was raped, tortured, murdered? I'm not sure I would have the ability to say that prison is enough for the perpertrator.

Mr. FoggPatches

I stopped reading this thread when all the bickering about 'if it happened to a guy...' broke out.
Can anyone tell me if there's been any updates? Did they find the perpetrator(s)? Is the girl alright? Do we know the motivation for the attack, if there was one?

Dr Jakub

Candie wrote: »

At least the cops in the US who refer to the ghettos as 'self-cleaning ovens' have the excuse of burnout from working the streets.

I can't imagine what motivates someone to wish a slow and painful death on another person, and imagine themselves better than they are at the same time.

'Self cleaning ovens' ha ha.

Anyway, let the retards who get involved in crime kill each other I say. Live by the sword...

marienbad

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you imagine if your child or partner was raped, tortured, murdered? I'm not sure I would have the ability to say that prison is enough for the perpertrator.

It is every parents nightmare , so yeah I can imagine it . But I am sure anything I can imagine never come even close to the reality .

Mary63

I definitely think it was someone she knew and he waited for her to get off the bus.He set out to destroy her face so was definitely a personal vendetta.She is in an induced coma, hopefully when she is woken up she will be able to name the assailant.

marienbad

marienbad wrote: »

It is every parents nightmare , so yeah I can imagine it . But I am sure anything I can imagine never come even close to the reality .

We never know what's around the corner nor can we be entirely sure how we would handle it.

Grayson

Just googled, It doesn't state it but i get the impression from the article that she's awake but still unable to talk to Gardai.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/attack-teen-kym-is-too-ill-to-speak-with-gardai-35272346.html

So that's a bit of good news, at least she's awake.

KERSPLAT!

Witchie wrote: »

I don't know who the alleged bf is but had heard that it was likely a hurley was used.


Of course all this hearsay and rumour so can't confirm anything, just saying what the word on the street in the next town over is.

Speculation some might say.

/points to thread title

Can we all give it a rest please and stay on topic.

Ken.

Mod- This has gone way off topic. If any pertinent information comes up pm me and we'll see about reopening it.

For now I'm sure everyone here will join us in wishing the young lady a speedy recovery from her ordeal.

Locked.

Ken.

Some new news has come to light,

Please try to stay on topic or this will be locked again.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/exclusive-three-girls-identified-as-suspects-in-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-18-35292214.html

Three girls have been identified as suspects in the vicious assault of an 18-year-old student.

"Three young females are being investigated for the attack, and it is hoped that they will be interviewed in the coming days," a source said.

A dedicated team of detectives have painstakingly taken 200 statements and trawled though hours of CCTV footage in an attempt to identify who was behind the attack.

SnakePlissken

Jaysus, didn't see that coming.

silverharp

oh my, lots of posters will be deleting comments that now sound awfully silly

tomwaterford

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Jaysus, didn't see that coming.

I do recall when I in secondary school a 14 year old getting held down and kicked in the head by another gang of girls same age and dying after it in waterford city......happened circa 2002-03????


Dunno what ever happened them afterward

Wanderer78

We truly do have some disturbed human beings on this planet. I wish this girl the very best

currants

I hope this news aids her recovery, it might make her feel a bit safer. Didn't somebody guess it was girls early on in the thread?

Wibbs

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Jaysus, didn't see that coming.

NOt too much of a shock. Indeed I can now tell a mate of mine I was discussing this terrible case with "I informed you thusly". I can think of two other unsolved cases where I'd bet the farm it was a woman or women attackers.

Little CuChulainn

SnakePlissken wrote: »

Jaysus, didn't see that coming.

I thought the level of violence combined with the absence of any sexual aspect left it a big possibility it was a female attacker. Still hard to imagine a motive for it though.

LynnGrace

Poor girl. My thought are with her, and her family.

currants

Wibbs wrote: »

NOt too much of a shock. Indeed I can now tell a mate of mine I was discussing this terrible case with "I informed you thusly". I can think of two other unsolved cases where I'd bet the farm it was a woman or women attackers.

xzanti called it before you

The_Valeyard

How warped a state of mind do you have to be in, to carry out that style of barbaric and predatory attack on someone.

kona

The_Valeyard wrote: »

How warped a state of mind do you have to be in, to carry out that style of barbaric and predatory attack on someone.

Females are bizarre at the best of times to be fair.

Grayson

Wibbs wrote: »

NOt too much of a shock. Indeed I can now tell a mate of mine I was discussing this terrible case with "I informed you thusly". I can think of two other unsolved cases where I'd bet the farm it was a woman or women attackers.

I believe (I haven't checked) a few pages back I said we hadn't got a clue and it could have been a guy, a guy and a girl, a group of guys/girls or anyone at alll. We simply didn't know anything.

Statistically it was more likely to be a guy, but all statistics are is educated guessing. They're great at telling what happened but not what is happening. i.e 50% of people are catholic. Is that person catholic? Fecked if I know.

Del.Monte

Still all in the realms of speculation. Perhaps the Gardai just want to interview the girls to eliminate them from their inquiries. Why can't people stop speculating and wait for something definitive to emerge?

smelly sock

I live in Maynooth and have heard rumours that plenty of students know who carried out the attacked.

Shame on anyone who didn't come forward.

wylie

Will the person or persons be charged with attempted murder? Should be

Riskymove

Del.Monte wrote: »

Why can't people stop speculating and wait for something definitive to emerge?

Nature (and gossip it seems) abhors a vacuum

hatrickpatrick

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Still hard to imagine a motive for it though.

I've had friends be the victim of these marauding teenage girl gangs before, can be anything from jealousy to love rivalry. What's f*cked up is that it almost always seems to involve cliques, as opposed to when guys attack eachother with similar motives and it tends to just be one on one. It sounds in this case like she was set upon by multiple people simultaneously, which fits in with those I know who have experienced similar - really nasty "two people restrain the victim so someone else can properly beat the sh!te out of them" kind of stuff

At least it sounds like she's awake and coherent. Hopefully she won't be in the ICU for too much longer, they're incredibly depressing places for anyone to be in, patient, staff or visitor

tupenny

smelly sock wrote: »

I live in Maynooth and have heard rumours that plenty of students know who carried out the attacked.

Shame on anyone who didn't come forward.

Live close by and heard same.
Always thought it was someone who knew her, revenge attack or something because she had laptop and stuff with her which weren't touched and it wasn't sexually motivated. Also seems like aim was to destroy her face. Makes sense it was girls.
Vicious bitches

smelly sock

smelly sock wrote: »

I live in Maynooth and have heard rumours that plenty of students know who carried out the attacked. Shame on anyone who didn't come forward.

Yup _if_ they did not come forward with real information it is a bad thing. I have heard a few rumours of the sort myself that the answer is "known" but speculation is against the rules of the thread so I would not even offer it. Suffice to say that the people I dealt with _did_ go to the police with what they think they know.

But alas when you hear rumours like that that people "know" who did it quite often it is people _claiming_ they know - or guessing but convincing themselves that their guess is correct - when in fact they "know" squat. They just think they know something - or enjoy the attention pretending to know brings them.

So police _need_ testimony even from people who _think_ they know nothing but might know something that seems irrelevant to them but turns out to be very important to the investigation.

But the police _also_ have to be cautious with how they use the testimony of people who do come forward and what they do with that testimony and how they go forward with it.

Sometimes it is hearsay - like "Oh yer wan always hated her I _bet_ it was her I _know_ it was her".

Sometimes it is erroneous (if the police say they are looking for a dark haired man driving a black van - people can sometimes suddenly remember a blonde man in a red van as being dark haired in a black van).

Sometimes it is malicious - there are actually people in this world who hate others enough to try and "get at them" by implicating them in an entirely unrelated crime.

Sometimes it is a witch hunt - they are so horrifically offended by a crime they just want to see _someone_ burn for it.

And sometimes it is even just plane insane - there are people who hear about crimes and will walk into a police station and admit to them. Often the police then find out the confessor simply did not or could not have done the crime. So even someone openly admitting to a crime is not testimony police can just instantly use and run with. It is a mad world sometimes.

When you sit down - as I have been lucky to do - with an actual police detective and hear how they have to go about their work and what it entails - and all the checks and balances that they have to operate - it is mouth droopingly astounding how complex it is and they have my utmost respect. I certainly doubt I could do it myself.

Flint Fredstone

Well that's a bit of a curveball considering how this thread played out.

Rightwing

A bad day for the wannabe feminists, eh ?

Lollipops23

Rightwing wrote: »

A bad day for the wannabe feminists, eh ?

Yeah those of us who believe men and women are equal really have egg on our faces....???
Women can be just as vicious and violent as men. It just happens less, so is more "shocking".

GingerLily

Lollipops23 wrote: »

Yeah those of us who believe men and women are equal really have egg on our faces....???
Women can be just as vicious and violent as men. It just happens less, so is more "shocking".

It's a great day that the Garda didn't exclude suspects based on gender and there might be justice for the poor victim.

sonic85

If this is true and they've identified the culprits - life in jail for the lot of them. Anybody who commits an attack of this magnitude should never see the light of day again. There's no place in society for such animals.

Love the fact it was possibly 3 on 1 too - cowardly cnuts

osarusan

Rightwing wrote: »

A bad day for the wannabe feminists, eh ?

A sad day for anybody who uses the news to get a pathetic dig in, if you ask me.

sonic85

sonic85 wrote: »

If this is true and they've identified the culprits - life in jail for the lot of them.

^ I have no idea myself what the laws of prosecution are. What _are_ the maximum sentences possible for this crime? I guess it depends entirely on whether they parse it as violent assault or attempted murder for example? Which one contains the maximum sentence and what _are_ those maximum sentences?

Rightwing

osarusan wrote: »

A sad day for anybody who uses the news to get a pathetic dig in, if you ask me.

On the contrary it's a great day.

Hopefully thugs are caught. Now just because they are women, they shouldn't be treated less lightly. This should be understood by all, but alas, it will beyond the scope of many, yourself included I dare say.

GingerLily

Rightwing wrote: »

On the contrary it's a great day.

Hopefully thugs are caught. Now just because they are women, they shouldn't be treated less lightly. This should be understood by all, but alas, it will beyond the scope of many, yourself included I dare say.

It's disgusting that your using this poor girls assault to further your feminist hating agenda.

Really disgusting.....

califano

Jigai

Ted111

Deleted User wrote: »

^ I have no idea myself what the laws of prosecution are. What _are_ the maximum sentences possible for this crime? I guess it depends entirely on whether they parse it as violent assault or attempted murder for example? Which one contains the maximum sentence and what _are_ those maximum sentences?

It's section 4 of the Non Fatal Offences Against the Person Act, 1997.
What was once 'assault causing grievous bodily harm.'
There is no maximum sentence. Could be three or four years but too many unknown factors.