Female student beaten up in Maynooth(NO SPECULATION)

MRnotlob606

Rightwing wrote: »

A bad day for the wannabe feminists, eh ?

Ah so you are interpreting the situation to suit your own feminist hating right wing agenda? You even put your name as Rightwing.... A bit much?

MRnotlob606

Don't see why people see woman on woman crime as an anomaly? its pretty common.

Rightwing

GingerLily wrote: »

It's disgusting that your using this poor girls assault to further your feminist hating agenda.

Really disgusting.....

Drivel. Very pleased if culprits are caught, and hope that young girl makes a complete recovery.

GingerLily

Rightwing wrote: »

Drivel. Very pleased if culprits are caught, and hope that young girl makes a complete recovery.

Then why mention feminism at all if you sincerely are just looking for justice for this poor girl?

whoopsadoodles

Bloody hell lads.

Can ye not fcuk off somewhere else to pat yourselves on the back about what a victory this news is for you?

Honest to jesus.

TerrorFirmer

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Don't see why people see woman on woman crime as an anomaly? its pretty common.

A violent assault of this calibre carried out by a woman/women is relatively uncommon, yes.

The fact that it happens doesn't mean it's common.

FrancieBrady

May have been mentioned but this sounds like they are indirectly talking/appealing to or giving a second chance to someone who knows what happened or was involved.

Last week a senior officer said gardai would like to speak to some of more than 200 people who have already made statements in case anyone had "forgotten" to tell officers anything.
"They can come back to gardai in full confidence, they will not be in trouble or anything like that. Their information could be crucial," the source said.

Rightwing

GingerLily wrote: »

Then why mention feminism at all if you sincerely are just looking for justice for this poor girl?

Perhaps I worded it slightly awkardly. However, the overall point remains, whoever did this needs to be treated very severely by the courts regardless of gender.

Grayson

tupenny wrote: »

Live close by and heard same.
Always thought it was someone who knew her, revenge attack or something because she had laptop and stuff with her which weren't touched and it wasn't sexually motivated. Also seems like aim was to destroy her face. Makes sense it was girls.
Vicious bitches

It could still be pretty random.

"Giz a smoke"

"Feck off"

And attack happens.

The only thing that I thought was a possibility was that the attackers either lived in the estate or were visiting friends there. It's an out of the way place. There's no pedestrian "through traffic".

Edit: I wouldn't put any stock in rumours amongst students. It's very unlikely that anyone knew and events like this generate rumours, especially in a place like the college.

AnneFrank

This is a bizare thread, all that matters is that the poor victim gets the care she needs and deserves,
and hopefully a huge sum of compensation off the scumbags that committed the crime.
Both genders are capable of committing such horrible crimes so all that matters is that the perpetrators are dealt with in the the most severe of terms to send out a clear message.
Not the place for an equality debate, leave that to the know it all students on their councils

Goya

Rightwing wrote: »

Perhaps I worded it slightly awkardly. However, the overall point remains, whoever did this needs to be treated very severely by the courts regardless of gender.

"slightly awkwardly" - lol, most inaccurate description ever. (and there's no "perhaps" about it).

Anyhoo, the point(s-scoring) you make should be directed at people who have actually said that women should be treated more leniently. And plenty of men think that because of traditional notions (the same guys who say it's worse to hit a woman than a man or that you should not even hit a woman in self defence) - I'm afraid this is a notion you can't just blame women/feminists for.

Rightwing

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=Flimpson;101964200]"slightly awkwardly" - lol, most inaccurate description ever.

Anyhoo, the point(s-scoring) you make should be directed at people who have actually said that women should be treated more leniently. And plenty of men think that because of traditional notions (the same guys who say it's worse to hit a woman than a man or that you should not even hit a woman in self defence) - I'm afraid this is a notion you can't just blame women/feminists for.[/QUOTE]

Many people here are disgusted that it was women who did this. I am disgusted that anyone did it. That is the key difference for me.

Case closed.

monty_python

califano wrote: »

Jigai

wtf??

care to elaborate on that?

GingerLily

Rightwing wrote: »

Many people here are disgusted that it was women who did this. I am disgusted that anyone did it. That is the key difference for me.

Case closed.

If you say inflammatory comments don't be surprised when people call you up on them.

Omackeral

Deleted User wrote: »

^ I have no idea myself what the laws of prosecution are. What _are_ the maximum sentences possible for this crime? I guess it depends entirely on whether they parse it as violent assault or attempted murder for example? Which one contains the maximum sentence and what _are_ those maximum sentences?

You can get life for attempted murder. Rare, but it's an option. Highly doubt it would be handed down. I'd wager that would be reserved for someone who's already had serious serious crimes under their belt and/or only barely got away with a life sentence previously. You can also get life for rape, a lot of people don't know that.

smelly sock

Gardai are fully aware who committed the act obviously and as has been stated above are now hoping that releasing this latest info will push the suspects to come forward. It might also make them panic.

dont bother

So to all the feminist rhetoric that had been spouted on this thread about how it was definitely a MAN who did this,...

i said it pages and pages ago on this thread that it was definintely 2-3 girls who did it.

and.... it was. look:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/exclusive-three-girls-to-be-interviewed-in-coming-days-in-relation-to-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-horror-attack-35292214.html

osarusan

dont bother wrote: »

So to all the feminist rhetoric that had been spouted on this thread about how it was definitely a MAN who did this,...

i said it pages and pages ago on this thread that it was definintely 2-3 girls who did it.

and.... it was. look:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/exclusive-three-girls-to-be-interviewed-in-coming-days-in-relation-to-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-horror-attack-35292214.html

I scrolled through the first 10 pages (150 posts) and saw 1 post that assumed the attacker was a man. I stopped then. There may have been more after that, but I'd guess that all the feminist rhetoric about how this was definitely a man was spouted mainly in your own head.

Edit: another 3 in the following 150 posts. The same as the number of posters speculating that it was likely to be a woman/women.

Goya

dont bother wrote: »

So to all the feminist rhetoric that had been spouted on this thread about how it was definitely a MAN who did this,...

i said it pages and pages ago on this thread that it was definintely 2-3 girls who did it.

and.... it was. look:
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/exclusive-three-girls-to-be-interviewed-in-coming-days-in-relation-to-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-horror-attack-35292214.html

You're late to the "I told you so!" party I'm afraid but I'm sure you're delighted it may have been (not definite yet) girls as it's a way to stick it to imaginary feminists on this thread which is much more important than the actual attack itself.

Did anyone really say it was definitely a man and could not have been a woman? And was it really framed as feminist rhetoric?

I assume you're aware also that it's actually more of a pre feminism notion - held by many men - that women aren't capable of carrying out assaults.

dont bother

Flimpson wrote: »

You're late to the "I told you so!" party I'm afraid but I'm sure you're delighted it may have been (not definite yet) girls as it's a way to stick it to imaginary feminists on this thread which is much more important than the actual attack itself.

Did anyone really say it was definitely a man and could not have been a woman? And was it really framed as feminist rhetoric?

I assume you're aware also that it's actually more of a pre feminism notion - held by many men - that women aren't capable of carrying out assaults.

whatever. couldnt give a sh!t how triggered ye'll get from what i said.
women are crap. they're sh!t like.


Mod: banned

Goya

dont bother wrote: »

whatever. couldnt give a sh!t how triggered ye'll get from what i said.
women are crap. they're sh!t like.

You're the one triggered if a mere counter argument is enough for you to lose the plot as per above.

Mr. CooL ICE

dont bother wrote: »

whatever. couldnt give a sh!t how triggered ye'll get from what i said.
women are crap. they're sh!t like.

Flimpson wrote: »

You're the one triggered if a mere counter argument is enough for you to lose the plot as per above.

Mod:

Cut it out, the pair of you.

...

Also, not sure why the whole feminism thing came into it, but this thread has nothing to do with feminism. It ends now.

GLaDOS

Gardaí want to speak to them. They're suspects, they haven't been charged, they haven't been found guilty of anything. People are getting way ahead of themselves to make some sort of bizarre point.

_Jamie_

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Ah so you are interpreting the situation to suit your own feminist hating right wing agenda? You even put your name as Rightwing.... A bit much?

An attack of this severity... unlikely to be female on female. Not impossible, but unlikely. Unless she was attacked by a gang of girls.

midnight city

It takes quite a bit of force to break bones like that. Whoever it was really meant to do harm.

Goya

_Jamie_ wrote: »

An attack of this severity... unlikely to be female on female. Not impossible, but unlikely. Unless she was attacked by a gang of girls.

Three girls are being questioned.

professore

Del.Monte wrote: »

This is a fallacy.

I don't know what age you are but I grew up in the 1960s and I assure you that violent attacks were an awful lot less common then. I remember when a Scottish visitor was stabbed in Bray and the country talked of little else for the year. I get my news from the radio and occasionally newspapers so it's not that I'm influenced by social media.

No one talked about the children having the sh1t beaten out of them, raped and worse in industrial schools and laundries (and many "normal" schools) up and down the country.

Fr_Dougal

midnight city wrote: »

It takes quite a bit of force to break bones like that. Whoever it was really meant to do harm.

A fall on a footpath might do some of the damage.

It's only a matter of time before people are charged in relation to this attack.

_Jamie_

Flimpson wrote: »

Three girls are being questioned.

I know that, but as of now, that's all. I always keep an open mind when people are merely at the questioning stage and I can think of a few cases with male suspects where I also took that view.

Can't believe people are gloating here. Take a look at yourselves.

tayto lover

I don't care who was responsible as long as they're caught, brought to court, convicted and sentenced if found guilty.

Hococop

If it is them, what happens if they are under age what type of legal punishment could be dealt to them? Could they receive a lighter sentence?

Flimpson

Flimpson wrote: »

Did anyone really say it was definitely a man and could not have been a woman? And was it really framed as feminist rhetoric?

No. If anything, people agreed with him that it could have been women and, as far as I can tell, they were women.

We know full well what vicious bítches "girl gangs" can be.

hatrickpatrick

sonic85 wrote: »

If this is true and they've identified the culprits - life in jail for the lot of them. Anybody who commits an attack of this magnitude should never see the light of day again. There's no place in society for such animals.

Love the fact it was possibly 3 on 1 too - cowardly cnuts

This is Ireland. Two years suspended and a good stern talking to. :mad:

DEFTLEFTHAND

I have a suspicion that the suspects are all under 16.

That 'girl gang' culture over in Britain seems to exclusively populated by 12-16 year olds from rough areas. Probably the same here.

This is a game they will play, they will target a random innocent individual and attack them in a group.

Cianmcliam

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I have a suspicion that the suspects are all under 16.

That 'girl gang' culture over in Britain seems to exclusively populated by 12-16 year olds from rough areas. Probably the same here.

This is a game they will play, they will target a random innocent individual and attack them in a group.

I doubt it was a random attack, with the emphasis on attacking her face so brutally it sounds like a vendetta or jealous rage thing.

pilly

Fair play to the Gardaí for spending so much time on this case. Hopefully it all leads to a successful conviction.

Mary63

I don't think it was random either and I was guilty of thinking it was a jealous boyfriend.

She was attacked by someone who was lying in wait and knew what time the bus was due and the route the poor young one would walk.She probably had a bag on her back so couldn't have run when jumped on.

Maynooth isn't inner city Dublin and this wasn't late at night, I really doubt you would have gangs of girls in Maynooth ready to beat someone half to death for no reason.They are only suspects at the moment, part of me thinks young girls wouldn't have the strength to injure someone their own age so badly, maybe I am naive.

BattleCorp

Mary63 wrote: »

I don't think it was random either and I was guilty of thinking it was a jealous boyfriend.

She was attacked by someone who was lying in wait and knew what time the bus was due and the route the poor young one would walk.She probably had a bag on her back so couldn't have run when jumped on.

Maynooth isn't inner city Dublin and this wasn't late at night, I really doubt you would have gangs of girls in Maynooth ready to beat someone half to death for no reason.They are only suspects at the moment, part of me thinks young girls wouldn't have the strength to injure someone their own age so badly, maybe I am naive.

You don't need to be strong to beat the head off someone with an iron bar or a hockey stick.

Ferrari3600

Must admit I did have an odd feeling it might have been female(s) involved in this, don't know why.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ferrari3600 wrote: »

Must admit I did have an odd feeling it might have been female(s) involved in this, don't know why.

An absence of sexual assault made me feel this way quite early on also.

Joe prim

BattleCorp wrote: »

You don't need to be strong to beat the head off someone with an iron bar or a hockey stick.

Oh no, not the Mount Anville Mafia:eek:

Ferrari3600

Wibbs wrote: »

NOt too much of a shock. Indeed I can now tell a mate of mine I was discussing this terrible case with "I informed you thusly". I can think of two other unsolved cases where I'd bet the farm it was a woman or women attackers.

Do you mind me asking, is one of those an unsolved murder in Glengeary?

DEFTLEFTHAND

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I have a suspicion that the suspects are all under 16.

That 'girl gang' culture over in Britain seems to exclusively populated by 12-16 year olds from rough areas. Probably the same here.

This is a game they will play, they will target a random innocent individual and attack them in a group.

I really hope this isn't the case. If they're 18 or older the punishment they receive would be much more severe and to be honest I hope the punishment is extremely fucking severe.

It happens too often in this country that a group of 16 or 17 year olds kick the head off some random person and walk away from it with nothing more than a weekly check-in with a JLo officer.

bit of a bogey

pilly wrote: »

Fair play to the Gardaí for spending so much time on this case. Hopefully it all leads to a successful conviction.

What do you mean fair play to the gardai?? It's a horrendous case so they should be doing absolutely everything within their power possible. It's their job. I don't care how long it takes to bring the offender to justice. I trust that they are doing the right thing in being patient to build an accurate case but I thought that given the circumstances, they be further along now with charges by now.

Grayson

GLaDOS wrote: »

Gardaí want to speak to them. They're suspects, they haven't been charged, they haven't been found guilty of anything. People are getting way ahead of themselves to make some sort of bizarre point.

Those particular girls might not be guilty but I think we can assume that there's a high chance. The reason is that although it's not mentioned in the article it's probably based on the victims word.

Hopefully if it is them, they just hand themselves in and make a confession so the victim doesn't have to go through a trial.

smelly sock

Hearing more in maynooth tonight.

Hurley sticks probably used.

Looks like the poor youngster had been bullied for months.

Common knowledge throughout the college who the three are and garda I were aware of this within days.

pablo128

The plot thickens. Now it's being reported that the guards don't have any suspects after all. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-say-they-have-not-one-suspect-in-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-35292214.html

Grayson

pablo128 wrote: »

The plot thickens. Now it's being reported that the guards don't have any suspects after all. http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/crime/garda-say-they-have-not-one-suspect-in-horror-attack-on-kym-owens-35292214.html

Jaysus. I think the moral is that we're all idiots for believing a single thing from the Indo.

Sounds like a case of Chinese whispers gaining truth status.

I hope the culprits are brought to justice as soon as possible, whoever they are. Sadly, the judiciary have a bit of a rep for leniency, even in the face of tens or even hundreds of previous convictions. Lets hope they throw the book at them and they get what they deserve.

I really hope this poor girl recovers fully physically and is able to get her life back, this is the kind of experience that'll make it an ongoing struggle for a long time to come. I hope she gets there.

Fleawuss

Getting very fed up with lack of progress. The longer this goes the less chance of success. I hope in 10 years time there isn't a thread here "Maynooth attack still unsolved".