It was the softer weaker boys he targeted...

White Horse

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

I'm glad there isn't some abhorrent faux outrage of the permanently outraged emanating from this.

I mean, what do you want? Kevin Keegan crying on telly? Wayne Rooney telling a Sky camera that's this is all just awful?

I notice you equate an outcry and "abhorrent faux outrage", as if they are the same thing.

Survivors do not want this buried under the carpet.

Derek Bell said last week that he thought Newcastle United then wanted the abuse “pushed under the carpet” and to minimise its impact on the club’s reputation, and feels “let down” that nobody from the club’s hierarchy even called him throughout or afterwards. Northumbria police, too, he says, did not follow up with any support.

Do you really think abuse survivors in this country would have got justice (if you call it that) had there not been an outcry?

alchemist33

A story now that Chelsea paid a victim £50k to keep quiet. This takes the story onto a whole new level and if true is shameful stuff.

MD1990

alchemist33 wrote: »

A story now that Chelsea paid a victim £50k to keep quiet. This takes the story onto a whole new level and if true is shameful stuff.

Just another very shameful act by Chelsea. Not a club I would be a fan of to say the least.

Corholio

Christ I didn't realise the Chelsea payment was only in the last 3 years, thought it was in the past. That's pretty horrific from them if true.

rwbug

MD1990 wrote: »

Just another very shameful act by Chelsea. Not a club I would be a fan of to say the least.

Don't think we should be rushing to judgement on Chelsea. From the article Mr Johnson was ignored by the PFA and police. The police told him to go back to Chelsea. He then employed a law firm to try to get compensation - which Chelsea paid. He was probably trying to sell his silence.

Chelsea should have told him to go back to the police instead of paying him, but the police probably weren't interested in opening a 40 year old abuse case against a guy who was already dead.

Ugly situation with ethical issues all round.

Fr Tod Umptious

alchemist33 wrote: »

A story now that Chelsea paid a victim £50k to keep quiet. This takes the story onto a whole new level and if true is shameful stuff.

This is the point where its made clear to all that this story is just like ever other child abuse tragedy.

The abuse is covered up to for the sake he institution.

And those responsible for the cover up are just as guilty as the perpetrator.

And its not unique to Chelsea, cos if it was this story word have broke decades ago not a few weeks ago.

rwbug

rwbug wrote: »

Don't think we should be rushing to judgement on Chelsea. From the article Mr Johnson was ignored by the PFA and police. The police told him to go back to Chelsea. He then employed a law firm to try to get compensation - which Chelsea paid. He was probably trying to sell his silence.

Chelsea should have told him to go back to the police instead of paying him, but the police probably weren't interested in opening a 40 year old abuse case against a guy who was already dead.

Ugly situation with ethical issues all round.

It's not an either/or and there is no ethical dilemma, at least not from his stance. He is entitled to pursue civil remedies and seek compensation, and also entitled to make a complaint and ask the Police to prosecute. Compensation is not buying silence at all, though an agreement may contain confidentiality clauses and invariably comes with no admission of guilt or liability. In fact, paying someone to ensure they withdraw a complaint and prosecution can be seen as an attempt to influence a prosecution and has to be carefully choreographed.

This is turning into a Catholic Church/Jimmy Saville type situation.

mansize

It needs to be openly discussed not swept under the carpet

Oat23

Corholio wrote: »

Christ I didn't realise the Chelsea payment was only in the last 3 years, thought it was in the past. That's pretty horrific from them if true.

Read the news earlier and I also thought it happened in the 80s/90s until I read your message just now.

Jesus, Chelsea..

In fairness to Chelsea, one could argue that they paid up despite the absence of any possibility of criminal prosecution, so it's not like Sunderland playing Johnson while he was facing accusations. It may have been a sensible business decision, rather than attempt to analyse an incident from decades ago when the club was under a different regime with different employees etc. It would be a very difficult claim, with delay being the first defence if they wanted to fight it all the way. There is no suggestion the club frustrated any prosecution, hid evidence or actually did anything wrong, they bought out a claim.

But the optics are not good in the context of the news coming out.

mansize

mansize wrote: »

It needs to be openly discussed not swept under the carpet

Bigtime.

It smells like a massive cover up.

It'll be interesting to see how high up it went

bucketybuck

White Horse wrote: »

Where is the outcry within the game?

What form should this "outcry" take?

Trigger

I see Matt Le Tissier has come out and said he was at the end of a naked massage as a teen. He is probably one of the most high profile to come out. Hopefully more and more will come forward.

http://www.skysports.com/share/10685880

Beasty

Dario Gradi suspended by the FA pending an investigation into allegations he "smoothed over" a complaint of sexual assault against Chelsea scout Eddie Heath

Broxi_Bear_Eire

SFA announce they are having a review. About time now the terms of reference become important

citytillidie

I dunno how anyone can find this funny with what is going on at the min



in fact i think it is quite sick and added to the other things they were sending to the screen just goes to show the mentality of people

Agent Coulson

The review took four years and it's a tough read.

Sheldon report into sexual abuse details the horror in the 'beautiful game'
Analysis: Inadequacy of child protection for decades in football and across British life shown up in inquiry’s findings

Almost five years since Andy Woodward demolished the dam of silence muffling the scale and horror of sexual abuse in football, the 700-page report by Clive Sheldon QC for the Football Association sought to explain how that hell was allowed to happen.

The stark reality of the free run predatory abusers had across England’s most celebrated sport, from grimy grassroots boys’ clubs to some of the nation’s most prestigious, remains utterly shocking from a perspective of modern safeguarding. Much of the report delves into who knew what and might have done more about the notorious abusers, including Barry Bennell, George Ormond and Bob Higgins, who have been convicted of 142 sexual offences following new prosecutions since Woodward’s landmark 2016 interview in the Guardian.......

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/17/sheldon-report-into-sexual-abuse-details-the-horror-in-the-beautiful-game

Football sexual abuse report: FA 'did not do enough to keep children safe'
Governing body accused of institutional failure after Bennell conviction
FA, Premier League and leading clubs issue formal apologies

The Football Association, Premier League and leading clubs have issued formal apologies after a landmark inquiry said that generations of young footballers suffered horrific sexual abuse because of the wholesale absence of child protection policies, ignorance and naivety.

Led by Clive Sheldon QC, the inquiry found the FA culpable of “institutional failure” at its delay in introducing safeguarding after 1995, when Barry Bennell and some high-profile abusers in other sports had already been prosecuted and convicted.

“The FA acted far too slowly to introduce appropriate … child protection measures [from 1995]. These are significant institutional failings for which there is no excuse. During this period, the FA did not do enough to keep children safe.”.......

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/17/football-sexual-abuse-report-scandal-sheldon-fa

Former Crewe manager Dario Gradi 'banned for life' from football
Report into football sexual abuse criticised Gradi
He has been suspended by the FA since 2016

The former Crewe manager Dario Gradi is “effectively banned for life” from football, the Football Association has said. It suggested an assessment concluded that Gradi, suspended since 2016, “could potentially cause or pose a risk of harm to children”.

Clive Sheldon QC, the author of an independent review into historical sexual abuse in football, found that Gradi “should have done more” to investigate concerns expressed about the serial abuser Barry Bennell but was not involved in a cover-up. The review also found that Gradi did not act inappropriately with any players........

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/mar/18/former-crewe-manager-dario-gradi-banned-for-life-from-football