Men in women's toilets

cabledude

bazz26 wrote: »

Let's start a thread about all the pervy women who go into the men's toilets in pubs and clubs when it suits them.

Don't diss pervy women. Only for them, some of us would never get a gallop.....

sister_shama

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Do you know what happens after you become offended? Nothing.

It's not a matter of being "Offended". I've read a lot about what's happening with regards this, and 2016 was the record year for Transgender murders on record, the same year the Bathroom Bills were really pushed. People that focus on the idea of "Offended" are generally incredibly sheltered and are so used to the idea of minorities being disposable than they think oppression and violence is on the same level as them feeling annoyed about something.

So when a transgender(is this correct?) is offended, you're right, not much happens, because people don't care about people like that. But if someone is offended at a transgender person, that could end in violence or at least harassment and abuse.

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sister_shama wrote: »

It's not a matter of being "Offended". I've read a lot about what's happening with regards this, and 2016 was the record year for Transgender murders on record, the same year the Bathroom Bills were really pushed. People that focus on the idea of "Offended" are generally incredibly sheltered and are so used to the idea of minorities being disposable than they think oppression and violence is on the same level as them feeling annoyed about something.

So when a transgender(is this correct?) is offended, you're right, not much happens, because people don't care about people like that. But if someone is offended at a transgender person, that could end in violence or at least harassment and abuse.

Ok but what's murdering a transsexual got to do with a father helping his wife change a babies nappy?

pablo128

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I often have to bring my two daughters into the ladies toilets when they need to go.

In saying that, only when there's no disabled/parent bathrooms available.

I could bring them into the mens with me I suppose, but I don't really feel comfortable walking through them with the lads shaking the dew of their tulips and what not in front of a 4 and a 6year old, so I usually head for the ladies, find a stall and let them be little girls in there.

Feel free to have a word with me any time you feel like it.

Had a tramp give me the daggers when I brought my now 8 year old daughter into the Ladies loo a few years ago. She was whispering and tutting at the cleaning lady on the way out. The cleaner made a show of her, speaking as loud as possible "WELL WHERE DO YOU WANT HIM TO BRING HER? THERE'S PISS ALL OVER THE SEATS IN THE MENS!":pac:

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I would find that more common than a man entering the ladies' bathroom.


Women entering the male toilets in a pub/nightclub..... Acceptable, hilarious

Man entering female toilets in a pub/nightclub..... Call the police. Sex maniac on the loose

I witnessed a bouncer kick a cubicle door in in a rave one night, and there's some girl sitting there pissing away. He paused for a second and bellowed 'get the fcuk out!' Wouldn't let her shut the door either. Every bloke in there bellowed with the laughter. She was that shamed that she left the club straight away.

Jimbob1977

sister_shama wrote: »

It's not a matter of being "Offended". I've read a lot about what's happening with regards this, and 2016 was the record year for Transgender murders on record, the same year the Bathroom Bills were really pushed. People that focus on the idea of "Offended" are generally incredibly sheltered and are so used to the idea of minorities being disposable than they think oppression and violence is on the same level as them feeling annoyed about something.

So when a transgender(is this correct?) is offended, you're right, not much happens, because people don't care about people like that. But if someone is offended at a transgender person, that could end in violence or at least harassment and abuse.

This is a discussion about fathers (aka men) bringing their daughters into a female toilet.

Nobody mentioned transgender rights. It's unconnected to the discussion.

You added 2+2 and got 5

Uriel.

pablo128 wrote: »

I witnessed a bouncer kick a cubicle door in in a rave one night, and there's some girl sitting there pissing away. He paused for a second and bellowed 'get the fcuk out!' Wouldn't let her shut the door either. Every bloke in there bellowed with the laughter. She was that shamed that she left the club straight away.

Yeah that's wrong too. There's really no need to treat people like that.

Didas

pablo128 wrote: »

I witnessed a bouncer kick a cubicle door in in a rave one night, and there's some girl sitting there pissing away. He paused for a second and bellowed 'get the fcuk out!' Wouldn't let her shut the door either. Every bloke in there bellowed with the laughter. She was that shamed that she left the club straight away.

He just sounds like a scumbag tbh. That job unfortunately attracts people of that ilk.

darlett

Wall1257 wrote: »

What do you think? Yesterday I arrived out if a toilet stall and came face to face withe a MALE... . aggghhhhh the horror. He was with his wife while she was changing her baby's nappy on the changing table. As far as I'm concerned he did not need to be there not should have been there. I did give him dirty looks so that he would know sO disapproved ;-) What do you think, should I have said something to him,

Sickens me to think of him looking at the outside of the cubicle door masturbating away with one hand, whilst helping pass the wet wipes, talc and clean nappy to the wife with the other. It shouldn't be allowed happen.
;-) ;-) I hope you saved some dirty disapproving looks for later incase the bitch of a mother started breast feeding his or her baby. Sounds like you had a rough experience hun X.

sister_shama

FortySeven wrote: »

You realise those people have as much right to feel and say whatever they want, just as trans folk do?

Being trans doesn't give any protection from others views. They have to deal with things they don't like or agree with just as we all have to.

If trans are going to get all het up over words then perhaps they need to grow a pair.

It is absolutely incredible that you're acting like one of the most targeted minorities out there somehow has "special protections", and bend over backwards for people like you that have no regards for their lives or well-being.

People's "views" shouldn't come before basic human rights. People are free to have whatever views they wish, but giving unfounded prejudice greater position in jurisprudence is the very basis for how discrimination is encoded in law. Far too many people seem to think that the right to enact conservative, fascist laws is somehow common sense and not a terrifying concept.

Non-transgender people are not a group that's vulnerable to violence on the basis of them not being transgender. You talk about "growing some balls", obviously intended in of itself to be a hateful remark towards transgenders, but you are elevating irrational feelings that are not based in fact or statistics above the safety of transgender people, as well as the large number of those who aren't easily recognisable as one gender or the other who are affected by these policies.

Trans people shouldn't have to do anything. They are not the group doing anything wrong here, and to blame them for the immense hatred and discrimination aimed at them over the last year, legal or otherwise is delusional and hateful in of itself.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

It is absolutely incredible that you're acting like one of the most targeted minorities out there somehow has "special protections", and bend over backwards for people like you that have no regards for their lives or well-being.

People's "views" shouldn't come before basic human rights. People are free to have whatever views they wish, but giving unfounded prejudice greater position in jurisprudence is the very basis for how discrimination is encoded in law. Far too many people seem to think that the right to enact conservative, fascist laws is somehow common sense and not a terrifying concept.

Non-transgender people are not a group that's vulnerable to violence on the basis of them not being transgender. You talk about "growing some balls", obviously intended in of itself to be a hateful remark towards transgenders, but you are elevating irrational feelings that are not based in fact or statistics above the safety of transgender people, as well as the large number of those who aren't easily recognisable as one gender or the other who are affected by these policies.

Trans people shouldn't have to do anything. They are not the group doing anything wrong here, and to blame them for the immense hatred and discrimination aimed at them over the last year, legal or otherwise is delusional and hateful in of itself.

This thread is not about transgender people. You are trying to turn it into something it's not. Stop trying to be offended.

fineso.mom

bee06 wrote: »

Unless he was peeping over the stall at you, you should really get over it.

I read this as "unless he was peeing over the stall at you, you should really get over it"
and I agree with either version.

Widdershins

sister_shama wrote: »

There are far right & fascist movements across Europe and many LGBTs especially Transgenders do a lot of their socialising online. Anyway, I know well those memes are almost always used in a transphobic context.

You forgot the Q in LGBTQ.

FortySeven

sister_shama wrote: »

It is absolutely incredible that you're acting like one of the most targeted minorities out there somehow has "special protections", and bend over backwards for people like you that have no regards for their lives or well-being.

People's "views" shouldn't come before basic human rights. People are free to have whatever views they wish, but giving unfounded prejudice greater position in jurisprudence is the very basis for how discrimination is encoded in law. Far too many people seem to think that the right to enact conservative, fascist laws is somehow common sense and not a terrifying concept.

Non-transgender people are not a group that's vulnerable to violence on the basis of them not being transgender. You talk about "growing some balls", obviously intended in of itself to be a hateful remark towards transgenders, but you are elevating irrational feelings that are not based in fact or statistics above the safety of transgender people, as well as the large number of those who aren't easily recognisable as one gender or the other who are affected by these policies.

Trans people shouldn't have to do anything. They are not the group doing anything wrong here, and to blame them for the immense hatred and discrimination aimed at them over the last year, legal or otherwise is delusional and hateful in of itself.

I have lived and worked in so many different towns and cities in 3 different countries for nearly 40 years and I am yet to meet a transgender person. I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

This is how that idiot trump got elected. Normal (and I mean that in the historical, thousands of years of things working sense) people are sick to the back ****ing teeth of minorities problems shouting over the real issues in the world. While gays are fighting to get married and trans are fighting to piss in a different pot and blacks are screaming about police shooting them and students are crying about triggers and aaaaarrrgfgghhhh!

The majority are worrying about the economy, the brewing war, the cure for cancer, the important, day to day **** that nobody seems to be able to talk about without some special interest blowup getting in the way.

Really, give it a ****ing rest will you?

FortySeven

Widdershins wrote: »

You forgot the Q in LGBTQ.

There's an I and an a now too I believe.

Widdershins

FortySeven wrote: »

There's an I and an a now too I believe.

I don't understand. I thought ''Queer'' is another term for gay OR lesbian, and it's been reclaimed as a positive word.

So it's gay ladies, gay men, bi, transgender, gay again.
And whatever the I and A stand for.

FortySeven

Widdershins wrote: »

I don't understand. I thought ''Queer'' is another term for gay OR lesbian, and it's been reclaimed as a positive word.

So it's gay ladies, gay men, bi, transgender, gay again.
And whatever the I and A stand for.

The a is asexual. I is intersex. Not sure what that means. Sounds like a bad pick up line.

Are you intersex?

Widdershins

FortySeven wrote: »

The a is asexual. I is intersex. Not sure what that means. Sounds like a bad pick up line.

Are you intersex?

A can also mean ''ally'', that was the cause of my confusion. So apparently Queer means: An umbrella term sometimes used by LGBTQA people to refer to the entire LGBT community. 2) An alternative that some people use to "queer" the idea of the labels and categories such as lesbian, gay, bisexual, etc. Similar to the concept of genderqueer.

I suppose Queer is handy if you want to be vague.

The Specialist

The Specialist wrote: »

Get used to it snowflake, it's 2016. If I'm bursting for a piss and suddenly feel like a woman, I'm going to take that piss in the womens bathroom.

Her Bathroom? just make sure that it has a toilet in it!

fineso.mom

I'm HBIAAP
Heterosexual but involuntarily abstinent at present.

FortySeven

fineso.mom wrote: »

I'm HBIAAP
Heterosexual but involuntarily abstinent at present.

I'm currently a w.a.n.k.e.r. with gender fluid issues. I've got some in my belly button and I have nothing to wipe it out with.

Skommando

FortySeven wrote: »

I have lived and worked in so many different towns and cities in 3 different countries for nearly 40 years and I am yet to meet a transgender person. I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

This is how that idiot trump got elected. Normal (and I mean that in the historical, thousands of years of things working sense) people are sick to the back ****ing teeth of minorities problems shouting over the real issues in the world. While gays are fighting to get married and trans are fighting to piss in a different pot and blacks are screaming about police shooting them and students are crying about triggers and aaaaarrrgfgghhhh!

The majority are worrying about the economy, the brewing war, the cure for cancer, the important, day to day **** that nobody seems to be able to talk about without some special interest blowup getting in the way.

Really, give it a ****ing rest will you?

This x 100,000

I'm sick of people being told they must be politically correct.

Politically correct and brainwashed according to who's political agenda ?

The people of the "democratic" "peoples" "republic" of North Korea are also told they must be "politically correct"

Grayson

PucaMama wrote: »

This thread is not about transgender people. You are trying to turn it into something it's not. Stop trying to be offended.

Sure it is. It's a thread about bathrooms and genders. It's only a matter of time

Grayson

FortySeven wrote: »

I have lived and worked in so many different towns and cities in 3 different countries for nearly 40 years and I am yet to meet a transgender person. I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

I've known about 7. And it's not that they were all transitioned. They were all transitioning when I met them or I know them already.

This isn't a point about transgender rights, I just find it surprising that you don't know one. Then again I guess a lot of trans people will move to cities etc. It happens a lot with gay people too. A lot of gay people move from rural areas to live somewhere a bit more cosmopolitan.

Widdershins

I know 3 transgender people. All on waiting list for surgery in the U.K. One has started the process with hormone treatment. They've all been transvestite for years.

Professor Moriarty

Grayson wrote: »

I've known about 7. And it's not that they were all transitioned. They were all transitioning when I met them or I know them already.

This isn't a point about transgender rights, I just find it surprising that you don't know one. Then again I guess a lot of trans people will move to cities etc. It happens a lot with gay people too. A lot of gay people move from rural areas to live somewhere a bit more cosmopolitan.

You know seven transgendered people? In my world, that would be extremely unusual. Hope you treat them like you would any other human being.

mickdw

FortySeven wrote: »

I have lived and worked in so many different towns and cities in 3 different countries for nearly 40 years and I am yet to meet a transgender person. I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

This is how that idiot trump got elected. Normal (and I mean that in the historical, thousands of years of things working sense) people are sick to the back ****ing teeth of minorities problems shouting over the real issues in the world. While gays are fighting to get married and trans are fighting to piss in a different pot and blacks are screaming about police shooting them and students are crying about triggers and aaaaarrrgfgghhhh!

The majority are worrying about the economy, the brewing war, the cure for cancer, the important, day to day **** that nobody seems to be able to talk about without some special interest blowup getting in the way.

Really, give it a ****ing rest will you?

FortySeven for Taoiseach.

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Don't know nor ever met any trans genders.
What was the OP's question again? We seem to have gone off track!

ardinn

Transginger meself - you lot are gonna get your cissy toilets soon!

sister_shama

Great, so the suggestion that people should actually care about a group of vulnerable people is just "political correctness" and people are being celebrated for saying they literally don't give a **** about them. When people speak up in impassioned defend of a disadvantaged group, it's political correctness gone mad, social justice warriors, all that. Someone can outright say "I am a terrible, amoral human being who must rely on a boogeyman to justify my fascist viewpoint". Is it really that much of a "Godwin's law" to draw comparisons with the Trump Phenomenon here?

I mean, I'm pretty sure they know you don't care about them. If people did care, they might not die all the time. But whatever, convince yourself that it's okay to treat a group of people as subhuman as long as they're "small" enough to not apparently matter, and that there aren't much larger groups you don't give similar treatment to.

I find it pretty funny that people who most people "don't give a **** about" who are regularly subjected to humiliation and inhumane treatment are regarded as fragile, whereas incredibly sheltered and uneducated people who've never had to grow a thick skin towards that level of abuse act like they're experts at the world at large. All you information and views are drip-fed to you, including the one that tells you that other, compassionate human beings are somehow brainwashed.

Pac1Man

Was it Val Venis OP?

ardinn

sister_shama wrote: »

Great, so the suggestion that people should actually care about a group of vulnerable people is just "political correctness" and people are being celebrated for saying they literally don't give a **** about them. When people speak up in impassioned defend of a disadvantaged group, it's political correctness gone mad, social justice warriors, all that. Someone can outright say "I am a terrible, amoral human being who must rely on a boogeyman to justify my fascist viewpoint". Is it really that much of a "Godwin's law" to draw comparisons with the Trump Phenomenon here?

I mean, I'm pretty sure they know you don't care about them. If people did care, they might not die all the time. But whatever, convince yourself that it's okay to treat a group of people as subhuman as long as they're "small" enough to not apparently matter, and that there aren't much larger groups you don't give similar treatment to.

I find it pretty funny that people who most people "don't give a **** about" who are regularly subjected to humiliation and inhumane treatment are regarded as fragile, whereas incredibly sheltered and uneducated people who've never had to grow a thick skin towards that level of abuse act like they're experts at the world at large. All you information and views are drip-fed to you, including the one that tells you that other, compassionate human beings are somehow brainwashed.

Heh!

Grab em by the pussay!

Mod: banned

sister_shama

FortySeven wrote: »

I have lived and worked in so many different towns and cities in 3 different countries for nearly 40 years and I am yet to meet a transgender person. I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

This is how that idiot trump got elected. Normal (and I mean that in the historical, thousands of years of things working sense) people are sick to the back ****ing teeth of minorities problems shouting over the real issues in the world. While gays are fighting to get married and trans are fighting to piss in a different pot and blacks are screaming about police shooting them and students are crying about triggers and aaaaarrrgfgghhhh!

The majority are worrying about the economy, the brewing war, the cure for cancer, the important, day to day **** that nobody seems to be able to talk about without some special interest blowup getting in the way.

Really, give it a ****ing rest will you?

I honestly believe this is one of the most hateful and deeply, truly evil views a human being can take. You are blaming a group for their own oppression when it was self centred entitled white men like you that voted in Trump. This is no different than blaming the victim of any other tragedy. This is the sort of thing that has been used to justify genocide in the past. It is an appeal to consequences - consequences people like you created. When you say "people" here, you are meaning specifically white and straight people people who are not part of any minority.

I have transgender and all sorts of friends living in america and they are terrified. Many of them would have been terrified even if Hillary was elected, due to her foreign policy. You will never know this sort of fear. How can you say it's a matter of thin skin when you've never probably been oppressed in your life?

You are saying you do not care about the issues of minorities. That means you only care about the issues of whites, for example. This is by definition white supremacy. It is the normalisation of white supremacy that led to the election of Trump. People whining that they're being censored so loud that it became the primary discourse. The lives of other human beings are not a "special interest". Is transgenders were such a tiny interest group then why would all this so matter? You don't blame the people who make a fuss - you blame the victim, since you hate them and want them to die. And I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your reaction to trans(and black) people dying was that you didn't care and were sick of hearing about it. You wish for them to continue dying, because your own comfort matters to you more than another human's life.

Also - I would punch you if you said this in person to one of my transgender friends, angry Muslim stereotypes be damned. The problem is with the lack of consequences for people like you. You can act like you're persecuted but yet no matter how you act nothing gets back at you. Meanwhile you can't exist as certain minority groups without receiving a certain level of harassment or violence.

http://qz.com/842675/donald-trump-did-not-beat-hillary-clinton-because-of-identity-politics/

sister_shama

ardinn wrote: »

Heh!

Grab em by the pussay!

Interesting how nobody is able to put up an actual fight here. All you are able to do is joke about the persecution of others and like each other's comments in a terrible Nazi circlejerk.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

Interesting how nobody is able to put up an actual fight here. All you are able to do is joke about the persecution of others and like each other's comments in a terrible Nazi circlejerk.

You're gas.




Ha.

ardinn

sister_shama wrote: »

Interesting how nobody is able to put up an actual fight here. All you are able to do is joke about the persecution of others and like each other's comments in a terrible Nazi circlejerk.

I dont even know what this threads about - u just seem like my ex!

sister_shama

ardinn wrote: »

I dont even know what this threads about - u just seem like my ex!

poor woman

i will make dua for her, it must have been a traumatising experience.

FortySeven

sister_shama wrote: »

I honestly believe this is one of the most hateful and deeply, truly evil views a human being can take. You are blaming a group for their own oppression when it was self centred entitled white men like you that voted in Trump. This is no different than blaming the victim of any other tragedy. This is the sort of thing that has been used to justify genocide in the past. It is an appeal to consequences - consequences people like you created. When you say "people" here, you are meaning specifically white and straight people people who are not part of any minority.

I have transgender and all sorts of friends living in america and they are terrified. Many of them would have been terrified even if Hillary was elected, due to her foreign policy. You will never know this sort of fear. How can you say it's a matter of thin skin when you've never probably been oppressed in your life?

You are saying you do not care about the issues of minorities. That means you only care about the issues of whites, for example. This is by definition white supremacy. It is the normalisation of white supremacy that led to the election of Trump. People whining that they're being censored so loud that it became the primary discourse. The lives of other human beings are not a "special interest". Is transgenders were such a tiny interest group then why would all this so matter? You don't blame the people who make a fuss - you blame the victim, since you hate them and want them to die. And I'm not putting words in your mouth. Your reaction to trans(and black) people dying was that you didn't care and were sick of hearing about it. You wish for them to continue dying, because your own comfort matters to you more than another human's life.

Also - I would punch you if you said this in person to one of my transgender friends, angry Muslim stereotypes be damned. The problem is with the lack of consequences for people like you. You can act like you're persecuted but yet no matter how you act nothing gets back at you. Meanwhile you can't exist as certain minority groups without receiving a certain level of harassment or violence.

http://qz.com/842675/donald-trump-did-not-beat-hillary-clinton-because-of-identity-politics/

I was abducted from my mother at 2 years of age by a violent father who moved me to a new town every year so social services wouldn't notice the black eyes, the broken bones, the broken spirit. I was in so many schools I lost count. I was bullied as the new boy in every one. I was afraid of my own shadow and spent more time in plaster and in hospitals than I did playing.

When he made me live in the unconverted attic when I was 10 or 11 in the winter in the Scottish highlands I cried with the cold for months.

Social services came then, when nobody had seen me for some time. I was finally taken into care. I was sexually abused there. Got my back door well kicked in. When I found my mother at 14 I thought it was all over but at 15 when she set about me with a table leg I left home for good.

I slept on the streets for a long time, I've been pissed on, robbed and beaten and I ended up a drug addict that spent years in prison.

Talk to me about pain, abuse, poor me. I'm special. **** off.

I was getting raped when I was 11.
.
I'll say this to you, pick your fights and understand who you are talking to. When you go around making assumptions about people it can backfire in your face

As for the punching bit. I'm guessing your wrists are feeling a little bit limper right now and you're thinking twice? I'm pretty sure I would send you running to your mama crying. I'm not that 11 year old boy anymore and I learnbed a lot on the streets and in jail.

And here is some breaking news. I'm bi. I prefer women but sometimes I like the cock.
Now go fit that into your stereotyping grinder and come back to me.

Ok?

ardinn

sister_shama wrote: »

poor woman

i will make dua for her, it must have been a traumatising experience.

You do dat dua dude! Do dat dua!!

sister_shama

Do you really think any of that excuses your utter flagrant disregard for the rights & issues of others?

It just makes it more shameful, because you should know better. Having one sort of negative experience doesn't mean you understand the experiences of everyone else. Do you not realise that all of these things can happen to the "Snowflakes" you hate so much? Sexual abuse isn't even "noteworthy" to a lot of transgender people. It's just a fact of life for them. Same with drug addiction. You have no idea what some of my trans friends have been through. But you have literally said you do not care about them. Past being vaguely bisexual(I am not exactly straight either, and can you imagine that and being Muslim???) and perhaps experience with drug mis-use, you are not part of a group that experiences oppression at the institutional level, so don't pretend to understand it.

Not to mention: How do I know any of that is true? And why should I care about it? If you don't care about transgender people(and probably even less about Muslims like me) why should I care about you? How would you like it if I said you deserved to be beaten, or raped? And yet it's acceptable for fascists to be in the white house, because of the minorities most affected by it. Unacceptable. There's nothing worse than a man who believes himself to have "pulled himself up by the bootstraps" and gotten over a dark place, failing to realise the lack of support for others not so lucky to do so. Everyone else is to blame for their suffering. Your experience is the only one that matters.

Many gay(though almost exclusively white gay men) voted for Trump and even some Latinos(though English-language first ones). At the end of the day the typical conservative/right wing viewpoint is "I have my mine, everyone else can get lost." You've no idea what I've been through, or what the typical transgender goes through. Typical white man's ego, assuming he's the only one that has troubles.

You are not trans, you are not black. So none of this excuses your attitude towards people who are not like you.

sister_shama

I am sure I will now be called insensitive when making a point of pride of being insensitive towards transgenders or black americans is normal practice in this thread. What a ridiculous circus. I've very little sympathy for bigots regardless of what they've been through.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

Do you really think any of that excuses your utter flagrant disregard for the rights & issues of others?

It just makes it more shameful, because you should know better. Having one sort of negative experience doesn't mean you understand the experiences of everyone else. Do you not realise that all of these things can happen to the "Snowflakes" you hate so much? Sexual abuse isn't even "noteworthy" to a lot of transgender people. It's just a fact of life for them. Same with drug addiction. You have no idea what some of my trans friends have been through. But you have literally said you do not care about them. Past being vaguely bisexual(I am not exactly straight either, and can you imagine that and being Muslim???) and perhaps experience with drug mis-use, you are not part of a group that experiences oppression at the institutional level, so don't pretend to understand it.

Not to mention: How do I know any of that is true? And why should I care about it? If you don't care about transgender people(and probably even less about Muslims like me) why should I care about you? How would you like it if I said you deserved to be beaten, or raped? And yet it's acceptable for fascists to be in the white house, because of the minorities most affected by it. Unacceptable. There's nothing worse than a man who believes himself to have "pulled himself up by the bootstraps" and gotten over a dark place, failing to realise the lack of support for others not so lucky to do so. Everyone else is to blame for their suffering. Your experience is the only one that matters.

Many gay(though almost exclusively white gay men) voted for Trump and even some Latinos(though English-language first ones). At the end of the day the typical conservative/right wing viewpoint is "I have my mine, everyone else can get lost." You've no idea what I've been through, or what the typical transgender goes through. Typical white man's ego, assuming he's the only one that has troubles.

You are not trans, you are not black. So none of this excuses your attitude towards people who are not like you.

So much arrogance on one post.

sister_shama

PucaMama wrote: »

So much arrogance on one post.

And I suppose dismissing the issues of all transgender peoples isn't arrogant or thoughtless?

Again because their lives don't matter. Non-trans white men do matter so their sob stories have weight. It's pathetic. The fact that I'm supposed to be fazed by this story is pathetic in of itself. I work with a lot of minority groups and some of the stories coming from there are easily more shocking on top of them having to contend with being a minority. You don't care what other people go through unless they look like you.

You literally don't care whether transgenders live or die but I'm supposed to care about this asshole who could be making half of this up for all we know.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

And I suppose dismissing the issues of all transgender peoples isn't arrogant or thoughtless?

Again because their lives don't matter. Non-trans white men do matter so their sob stories have weight. It's pathetic.

YOU started going on about transgender people. You where the first to mention them. You are the only one dismissing anyone else.

Goya

sister_shama wrote: »

And I suppose dismissing the issues of all transgender peoples isn't arrogant or thoughtless?

Again because their lives don't matter. Non-trans white men do matter so their sob stories have weight. It's pathetic.

You literally don't care whether transgenders live or die but I'm supposed to care about this asshole who could be making half of this up for all we know.

I think they mean many people experience pain and sometimes you've just got to get on with things. It's not bad advice.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

And I suppose dismissing the issues of all transgender peoples isn't arrogant or thoughtless?

Again because their lives don't matter. Non-trans white men do matter so their sob stories have weight. It's pathetic.

You literally don't care whether transgenders live or die but I'm supposed to care about this asshole who could be making half of this up for all we know.

Just to answer your 3rd paragraph there. Don't be so dramatic. I know you love to play the hero. But take it easy.

sister_shama

Flimpson wrote: »

I think they mean many people experience pain and sometimes you've just got to get on with things. It's not bad advice.

Not everyone is able to do that. It's very easy when you're a white man who can pass for straight. You can buy into that support system of wider society. When you're a minority - not so much. The system is designed to keep you in a trap, so it can more easily boost up people like him. There's no "end point" when you're a minority. If you're on the streets, you may get off the streets eventually. If you have a drug problem - while this is a serious issue - it's possible to overcome it. When you are a minority you continue to face discrimination, and violence, purely on that basis. The factors that may have lead to abuse or drug use or homelessness are still there, which is why the rates of such things are higher among many minority groups. There's no "making it" for minorities, unless they get very rich. And even then as a Muslim woman flying, I'm still probably going to be flagged for a "random search" no matter how wealthy I am.

Can I please point out what this bigot has said?

I don't care about their issues. I have my own. I'm sick of ****ing hearing about the issues of a ****ing tiny, miniscule group who (to me) appear to be mentally fragile and are attempting to blame all and sundry around them for choices they have made. I find if pathetic and I am fully entitled to say so.

While gays are fighting to get married and trans are fighting to piss in a different pot and blacks are screaming about police shooting them and students are crying about triggers and aaaaarrrgfgghhhh!

Transgenders have an immensely high murder & suicide rate. Particularly black(and Latina) transgender women. He is literally, unambiguously blaming them and their "choices" for this(implying being trans is a choice to begin with). He says he does not care about trans people and their issues.

So why am I expected to care about his? I'd rather care about the sexual abuse & violence that my trans friends continue to face, instead of wasting my tears on another bigot. Why is this incredibly cruel attitude towards such a vulnerable group acceptable? He is a transphobe and white supremacist, by definition. This isn't even an argument, nor are these "PC" terms. It's just a fact that he dislikes trans people and considers white people issues more important. The real political correctness is how people who call a spade a spade are shut down nowadays and expected to tolerate extremism. As a Muslim who is disheartened at the influence of conservative Salafism on the global Muslim community over the last century(mostly in reaction to western colonialism of course, so let's not let you guys off the hook in this either), I am actually much more frightened about the radicalisation of white men than anything else.

sister_shama

PucaMama wrote: »

Just to answer your 3rd paragraph there. Don't be so dramatic. I know you love to play the hero. But take it easy.

He literally said he didn't care about trans people or "the blacks" getting shot.

I'm not being remotely dramatic given what he said. The problem is that as I said, extreme bigotry has been normalised by the internet anti-social justice culture & Trump.

sister_shama

PucaMama wrote: »

Just to answer your 3rd paragraph there. Don't be so dramatic. I know you love to play the hero. But take it easy.

I'm not the one who brought it up, actually. I was reacting to the "did you just assume my gender" joke on the first page, which is used mostly the "alt-right"(cryptofascists) in mocking transgender people. So this is not true, either.

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

I'm not the one who brought it up, actually. I was reacting to the "did you just assume my gender" joke on the first page, which is used mostly the "alt-right"(cryptofascists) in mocking transgender people. So this is not true, either.

The assuming the gender joke, was a joke, was funny, all lighthearted until you came along to martyr yourself for the trans community.

Ah, cryotofascists. Is that in the oxford lefty dictionary now?

PucaMama

sister_shama wrote: »

He literally said he didn't care about trans people or "the blacks" getting shot.

I'm not being remotely dramatic given what he said. The problem is that as I said, extreme bigotry has been normalised by the internet anti-social justice culture & Trump.

You not caring about his problems because he's white and as you said passes for straight is as bad.