glas payment

MayoAreMagic · 09-01-2017 1:42pm

Just reading posts about the nutrient management plan - is that a requirement for all entries in glas, or is it specific to some actions only? I just had a look through the specification document and there is no mention of it at all in there.

zetor 4911 · 09-01-2017 1:46pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Just reading posts about the nutrient management plan - is that a requirement for all entries in glas, or is it specific to some actions only? I just had a look through the specification document and there is no mention of it at all in there.

All GLAS participants have to do a Nutrient management plan regardless of what action are chosen - I imagine that it is mentioned in the Term and conditions rather that the specification.

Mad4CHX · 09-01-2017 4:33pm

Did people with the NMP get the full 100%? Does your planner upload it to your agfood account?

zetor 4911 · 09-01-2017 5:59pm

Mad4CHX wrote: »

Did people with the NMP get the full 100%? Does your planner upload it to your agfood account?

Won't get the remaining 15% payment till the NMP is submitted. No one got the full 100%. Can't submit the NMP till the Dept say so.

Mad4CHX · 09-01-2017 6:02pm

zetor 4911 wrote: »

The remaining 15% of the GLAS payment won't be paid until NMP is submitted.

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Won't get the remaining 15% payment till the NMP is submitted. No one got the full 100%. Can't submit the NMP till the Dept say so.

Strange one, no point me paying for it straight away so if we have to wait for the department to give the go ahead for when it can be submitted.

zetor 4911 · 09-01-2017 6:18pm

Mad4CHX wrote: »

Strange one, no point me paying for it straight away so if we have to wait for the department to give the go ahead for when it can be submitted.

Speaking to planner and he has the plans finished waiting to press the button.
So I suppose if he has the work done he is entitled to be paid.

Johnny0k · 12-01-2017 6:57pm

Hi folks. Anyone here that didn't receive your glas payment on Dec 30th . Have ye heard anything about when are we going to get it. I have tried ringing 101 different times and emailed . I got through last week and they said my details had to be verified , so she said they would do it that evening and to ring back the next day..... sure I can't get through..... it's driving me batty!

riemann · 12-01-2017 7:27pm

Apparently anyone who is receiving payment for fencing of waterways will be held up as they are "re-digitising" the rivers. Supposedly this is 75% of people, and of course (ahem) they have no idea when it will be finished.

But rest assured guys, they have their best men and women on the case.

theaceofspies · 12-01-2017 7:29pm

Johnny0k wrote: »

Hi folks. Anyone here that didn't receive your glas payment on Dec 30th . Have ye heard anything about when are we going to get it. I have tried ringing 101 different times and emailed . I got through last week and they said my details had to be verified , so she said they would do it that evening and to ring back the next day..... sure I can't get through..... it's driving me batty!

Gave up ringing - couldn't get through once even - meeting local TD at weekend.

Grueller · 12-01-2017 8:09pm

riemann wrote: »

Apparently anyone who is receiving payment for fencing of waterways will be held up as they are "re-digitising" the rivers. Supposedly this is 75% of people, and of course (ahem) they have no idea when it will be finished.

But rest assured guys, they have their best men and women on the case.

Not true. I fenced over 1500m of waterways and got paid 85% on 29 December.

Cavanjack · 12-01-2017 8:59pm

When you ring the number the nice lady on the recording says there is a payment being made on Friday.

High bike · 12-01-2017 9:05pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

When you ring the number the nice lady on the recording says there is a payment being made on Friday.

she didn't happen to say which Friday I suppose:D

Water John · 12-01-2017 9:18pm

I think the more of ye waiting for any payment, make the call or visit your local TD over the weekend might yield a lot more results.
Let them know there's a problem.

Mad4CHX · 12-01-2017 9:21pm

Water John wrote: »

I think the more of ye waiting for any payment, make the call or visit your local TD over the weekend might yield a lot more results.
Let them know there's a problem.

I hope to fook farming hasn't come to this. A trip to a bloody TD to get your payment. Thank fook I don't pay a TV licence and didn't pay any water charges. I'll let the TD call around and discuss the payment with me if they want it.

Green farmer · 12-01-2017 9:23pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Gave up ringing - couldn't get through once even - meeting local TD at weekend.

Gone down that road as well. Was getting nowhere ringing dept.

Water John · 12-01-2017 9:24pm

I'm the type of guy you will do whatever gets the best result.

Johnny0k · 12-01-2017 9:46pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Gave up ringing - couldn't get through once even - meeting local TD at weekend.

I'm going to have to do the same thing I reckon. My head is wrecked trying to get through to them. I have to say it's not fair on any farmer but is especially hard on a small one !

Johnny0k · 12-01-2017 9:53pm

riemann wrote: »

Apparently anyone who is receiving payment for fencing of waterways will be held up as they are "re-digitising" the rivers. Supposedly this is 75% of people, and of course (ahem) they have no idea when it will be finished.

But rest assured guys, they have their best men and women on the case.

Best people on the job ...... there isn't enough to answer phones not to mind get the paperwork sorted. A good few neighbours have got the 85% so I don't know what the issue is with me. Every t was crossed and I dotted !

Johnny0k · 12-01-2017 9:55pm

Cavanjack wrote: »

When you ring the number the nice lady on the recording says there is a payment being made on Friday.

Hope so . Thanks for letting us know. Credit due the lady on the phone was sound

Green farmer · 12-01-2017 10:24pm

riemann wrote: »

Apparently anyone who is receiving payment for fencing of waterways will be held up as they are "re-digitising" the rivers. Supposedly this is 75% of people, and of course (ahem) they have no idea when it will be finished.

I suppose the frustrating thing is all our Glas plans Were submitted electronically and approved well over a year ago, but things were left till now to make a plan to fix issues. ironing things out during the year would have meant less stress for everybody involved.

croot · 12-01-2017 11:01pm

riemann wrote: »

Apparently anyone who is receiving payment for fencing of waterways will be held up as they are "re-digitising" the rivers.

I know how awful not getting paid is but this is not the cause of the hold up everywhere.

Me and at least 4 neighbours got paid and we each have over 2 km of rivers fenced so I doubt that's the issue.

Cavanjack · 12-01-2017 11:16pm

I might get shot for saying this but here goes.
I can't understand all the anger and frustration about waiting for the glas money to come. I know we are not all in the same position but so far glas has cost me €500 for sowing wbc, probably €1000 in fees, a couple of hundred for posts and wire a bit of time and€50 for 5 bird box's and whatever a few tonne of sand cost. So say €2000 altogether just for the first year and I'm expecting €5000. A good return on my money I think.
From this year and for the next four years all it will cost is the price of sowing the wbc which I might just broadcast myself. So say €300. I still should get €5000 a year. Still not a bad return on my money.
Sure, I had to wait a bit longer than I expected for my first payment. What I spent isn't going to put me on the road.
As far as I can make out it is money for rope. Any scheme or grant we ever joined or applied for we got. Delays are part of the game. Wasting your own time or a td's time on this matter is a waste of time
Complain to him about the problems in our hospitals and lack of nursing homes or rural roads and broadband, complain about paying for water (if that's your thing), ask him why our grandchildren will still be paying for the banks/governments mistakes in 50 years time , ask him about our homeless crisis, ask what they are doing to open up new markets for our farm produce but complaining that Your glas payment is too late???????

Grueller · 12-01-2017 11:34pm

Hard to disagree alright Cavan jack. I also see the flip side though. When bills are owed and repayments are agreed based upon payment dates it can cause problems.

riemann · 12-01-2017 11:43pm

Grueller wrote: »

Not true. I fenced over 1500m of waterways and got paid 85% on 29 December.

Glas 1 or 2?

I'm 1 and thats what I was told on the phone.

Grueller · 12-01-2017 11:49pm

riemann wrote: »

Glas 1 or 2?

I'm 1 and thats what I was told on the phone.

Glas 1.

croot · 13-01-2017 1:02am

Cavanjack wrote: »

Wasting your own time or a td's time on this matter is a waste of time

Hard to disagree with your post but I think the problem is that it's not just this scheme. Nearly every interaction with dept of ag in the last few years is a head wrecking experience. When you finally get through on the phone it's impossible to get an answer for anything and the response to every delay is that's it's an IT issue and no idea when it will be resolved.

Years ago pre IT failures you could call into local office and get your issues sorted fairly quickly. In my paid profession IT systems actually improve things not the other way round.

Farmer · 13-01-2017 1:07am

Many people are down a lot of money in fencing costs, planning costs, bird boxes etc maybe to the value of a full year's payment or more. Extra fodder costs due to bad weather as well as bad prices overall means many people have cash flow problems. If I miss a deadline for paying any of the government departments - revenue, motor tax or property tax, I will be penalised and it's no good telling them I'm waiting for the Glas cheque.

As I said in an earlier post, there's no excuse for it. They seem to have been able to have paid most of Glas1 so why not Glas2. If they need to re digitize anything then let them pay out the 85% and use the 15% to cover the margin of error.

The deadlines were tight enough at our end to have land parcels and watercourses fenced off in poor weather conditions. Sauce for the goose....

High bike · 13-01-2017 1:15pm

Rang this morning for the first time and got through straight away.Was told there was an issue with payments being passed for payment from Wexford due to a glitch in the system and Dept would be writing to people in the next few days

Farmer · 18-01-2017 5:06pm

Ah, someone's woken the minister!

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/combination-of-factors-holding-up-glas-payments-minister/

Hurling Hereford · 18-01-2017 9:06pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Gave up ringing - couldn't get through once even - meeting local TD at weekend.

Phone Agriculture House (01) 6072000, when the switch board operator answers asked to be transferred to Glas in Johnstown Castle. Worked a treat for the brother-in-law only last Friday.

High bike · 18-01-2017 11:31pm

Farmer wrote: »

Ah, someone's woken the minister!

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/combination-of-factors-holding-up-glas-payments-minister/

the minister has been spouting that ****e for 6 weeks now but still nothing happening

Green farmer · 18-01-2017 11:49pm

I hope someone in a position of authority grabs it by the scruff of the neck and sort's it out, cause at the moment it just ain't moving.

theaceofspies · 19-01-2017 8:35am

Farmer wrote: »

Ah, someone's woken the minister!

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/combination-of-factors-holding-up-glas-payments-minister/

"Let them eat cake" springs to mind after reading the article

Johnny0k · 19-01-2017 1:12pm

Got through today on the first try and the lady said now that it will be in in the next few weeks . So it's gone from you'll have it next week to .....a few weeks....

theaceofspies · 19-01-2017 1:19pm

Johnny0k wrote: »

Got through today on the first try and the lady said now that it will be in in the next few weeks . So it's gone from you'll have it next week to .....a few weeks....

Did she say what the problem was?

zetor 4911 · 19-01-2017 1:45pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

Did she say what the problem was?

Apparently it is an IT problem. Begs the question how were the 28,000 farmers paid at the end of December if the IT system is not able to cope.

theaceofspies · 19-01-2017 1:48pm

zetor 4911 wrote: »

Apparently it is an IT problem. Begs the question how were the 28,000 farmers paid at the end of December if the IT system is not able to cope.

Thanks for the update. They are telling the IFA and Farmers Journal porkies with 'payment will be made in the next 2 weeks'.

Green farmer · 19-01-2017 2:56pm

Ya, that's what their saying alright. they've to wait for the IT department to come up with a solution to a computer glitch. Until then some cases are just sitting there.

Johnny0k · 19-01-2017 8:30pm

theaceofspies wrote:

Did she say what the problem was?

I asked what the problem was and when are payments due and she just kept saying 'repeatly' there is no issue with your payment all is verified and you will receive it in the next payment day. I kept asking when is the payment day and it rolled back to everything is fine with your payment .... then finally she said you should have it next week or the next few weeks. Soooo not really helpful !

Johnny0k · 19-01-2017 8:34pm

theaceofspies wrote:

Did she say what the problem was?

I asked was it still an IT problem and she couldn't say and asked her supervisor and just came back rambling that my details were fine and it's on the next payment day... when ever that is..

MIKEKC · 19-01-2017 8:41pm

Johnny0k wrote: »

I asked was it still an IT problem and she couldn't say and asked her supervisor and just came back rambling that my details were fine and it's on the next payment day... when ever that is..

There is an IT problem with some applications since last spring.They want some people to go into Glas 3 so they needen't fix the problem

theaceofspies · 19-01-2017 8:54pm

This is turning into an episode of the 'Keystone Cops' - the Department haven't a clue what they're doing. They're making up excuses as they go along. A comedy of errors and the clowns are us farmers.

theaceofspies · 20-01-2017 12:24pm

MIKEKC wrote: »

There is an IT problem with some applications since last spring.They want some people to go into Glas 3 so they needen't fix the problem

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

Johnny0k · 20-01-2017 4:50pm

theaceofspies wrote:

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

The old way is the best way.

Farmer · 20-01-2017 5:56pm

theaceofspies wrote: »

A simple solution for the Department if their IT system is broken. Get pen, fresh paper and a calculator. Go through each file, calculate what is due to each farmer and pay farmers manually by bank transfer.

More likely they'll hire in a few consultants to see what went wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised if their IT issue isn't a man made one brought about by upgrading the mapping mid way through a scheme. General IT "glitches" don't go on for months

coolshannagh28 · 20-01-2017 6:12pm

Late payments are nothing new ,Its a psychological strategy to frustrate and grind farmer outsiders down in a stacked market ,grit your teeth and play the game

MayoAreMagic · 23-01-2017 1:18pm

This IT problem spiel is a little hard to swallow. The technology is commonplace and is used to pay wages for most people in the country. Also, it isn't as if this is a new system for the dept, they already have an existing system that does the exact same thing across a range of schemes. So to suggest that it couldn't be fixed for almost two months is ridiculous.

There is nothing but talk of clawbacks and penalties when farmers don't meet certain criteria etc, well it is about time there was something similar written in to these schemes to combat the same issue in the opposite direction. There seems to be an attitude of 'oh ye are lucky to be getting anything at all, ye should be thankful' as regards farmers getting their payments. I wonder would they accept the same attitude if their wages weren't paid for two months?

20silkcut · 23-01-2017 1:57pm

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

This IT problem spiel is a little hard to swallow. The technology is commonplace and is used to pay wages for most people in the country. Also, it isn't as if this is a new system for the dept, they already have an existing system that does the exact same thing across a range of schemes. So to suggest that it couldn't be fixed for almost two months is ridiculous.

There is nothing but talk of clawbacks and penalties when farmers don't meet certain criteria etc, well it is about time there was something similar written in to these schemes to combat the same issue in the opposite direction. There seems to be an attitude of 'oh ye are lucky to be getting anything at all, ye should be thankful' as regards farmers getting their payments. I wonder would they accept the same attitude if their wages weren't paid for two months?

Here here payyments and subsidies are the root of all farmings woes.

Muckit · 23-01-2017 3:07pm

Sure please God when your time comes, there mightn't be any payments.

Green farmer · 23-01-2017 3:58pm

Cannt understand why the farm unions and ifj aren't up in arms and making more noise about it.

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