Pope will vist Ireland in 2018(mod warning in Op)

Jimmy Garlic

Muahahaha wrote: »

Complete control of the hospitals too. In fact it was always said that Archbishop McQuaid had a direct phone line to DeValera to give him instructions when drafting new legislation.

Anyone who fought in the Rising and subsequent War of Independence did so to gain our freedom from the British. And then when that was won DeV gave the keys of the country to the Church to run it how they saw fit, mainly with an iron fist.

They deliberately kept the place poor too. You can't have a religious iron grip on a place and its people unless there is poverty, lots of poverty.

ScumLord

Muahahaha wrote: »

Anyone who fought in the Rising and subsequent War of Independence did so to gain our freedom from the British. And then when that was won DeV gave the keys of the country to the Church to run it how they saw fit, mainly with an iron fist.

The women fighting were fighting for equal rights too, they got completely shafted by the new Irish state when the church stepped in to basically eradicate all alternative viewpoints like equality.

Idbatterim

Christ does this mean we have to suffer Kenny up to 2018?! :mad::eek:

Temptamperu

Sure let him come. I wont be there and neither will anyone in my family.

Galwayguy35

Pope Francis seems like a decent skin, no reason he shouldn't come here for a visit.

Everyone was falling over themselves welcoming a British Queen a few years ago but the Pope visiting seems to have the A&A crowd all hot and bothered.

Sleepy

I hope he brings his chequebook.

lawred2

He can do what he wants... I won't be paying it any attention.

It'll be good business for hotels and Ryanair

lawred2

Muahahaha wrote: »

No problem with him coming but I think he should absolutely apologise when on Irish soil. If he doesnt then Id happily join a protest against his presence here. Child abuse in the Church has destroyed too many peoples lives in Ireland just to be glossed over in the usual nothing to see here way.

Also the Repeal the 8th referendum is pencilled in for 2018. Under no circumstances should his visit clash in any way with the referendum. Any vote on the 8th needs to be held before he arrives.

It will 100% be the week after the 'visit'

Sam Kade

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

RobertKK ignores all that though.

A bit like how 90% of the Bible is ignored by the Catholic Church because it either makes no sense or contradicts the 10% they use.

This pope is making up his own rules preaching about climate change and he even believes that he's a decendant of the apes. There are a lot of bishops worldwide not happy with his views some even say that he's the antichrist.

Sam Kade

JupiterKid wrote: »

That's a sweeping generalisation and condescending - actually insulting to older people who have a lot more life experience than you. Actually, I know of quite a few people of my parent's generation (in their 70s) who are not all that fond of the church at all. Some of the most bitter anti-church people are in the older age cohorts. My late father had little time for the Vatican or the hierarchy which he saw as corrupt and power hungry.

Yes, older people tend to be more devout but by no means all of them.

How old are you?

Don't mind him he thinks that he's living in tír na nóg.

vicwatson

RobertKK wrote: »

Are you saying Catholic schools should not bother vetting people who work with children?

I'm saying the principal of taxpayer funded schools should be the one to get the vetting back and not the local bishop. That's what I'm saying.

Dyr

I'd say holy. Joe Duffy has a horn on him that could bate a donkey out of a ditch

Be a bumper year for the creeping Jesus brigade

fryup

being held in august...

i wonder will it clash with any music festivals/concerts...i.e. Slane or Oxygen or the like?

i wonder which will be more popular??

super_furry

He shouldn't be allowed to give a speech in any publically owned place until the Catholic orders that owe the government €245 million for their contribution to the State redress scheme pay up.

Sam Kade

Sam Kade wrote: »

he even believes that he's a decendant of the apes.

What do you expect him to believe?
That he's a decendant of Adam & Eve?

vicwatson

super_furry wrote: »

He shouldn't be allowed to give a speech in any publically owned place until the Catholic orders that owe the government €245 million for their contribution to the State redress scheme for survivors of residential institutions for children pay up.

Now you're talking. And they got away lightly again.

_Kaiser_

Watching Kenny do his over-awed schoolboy look on the news here (top story of course!) FFS and this guy is "leading" the country!

CFlat

lawred2 wrote: »

It'll be good business for hotels and Ryanair

Its a way bigger picture then that lawred2. Aer Lingus are competing with RA so don't forget about them also we will probably get a lot of visitors from the UK(assuming they are not deep in recession by then) and some will come by ferry. Now that they've landed in an airport/sea port they have to get to where they're going so they'll use taxis/buses/trains/car hire. They will stay in hotels all right but also B&Bs then they have to eat and drink so restaurants/cafes/pubs will benefit. Then some might decide to take in a holiday at the same time so sight seeing tours/ souvenir shops and just shopping general.

The tourism industry has taken a battering since 08 so all that business will be very welcome.

Billy86

Sam Kade wrote: »

This pope is making up his own rules preaching about climate change and he even believes that he's a decendant of the apes. There are a lot of bishops worldwide not happy with his views some even say that he's the antichrist.

I'm no fan of the Catholic church (or any organised religion) but don't think it's right for people to have a go at followers of them based solely on that fact along, and would also agree that Pope Francis is doing a lot of good work on the PR front since being appointed. Seems a fairly decent chap for the most part, certainly compared to the Sith Lord who came before him!

Billy86

bubblypop wrote: »

What do you expect him to believe?
That he's a decendant of Adam & Eve?

I could be well off on this to be honest, but isn't he the first pope to accept evolution and the big bang theory?

Whoever is thinking about it, don't make a joke or reference to that woeful TV show please.

CFlat

Billy86 wrote: »

I could be well off on this to be honest, but isn't he the first pope to accept evolution and the big bang theory?

Whoever is thinking about it, don't make a joke or reference to that woeful TV show please.

No one would do that.......BAZINGA!

StupidLikeAFox

Winterlong wrote: »

2.5 million turned out to see JP2 in 1979.
Doubt there will be so many this time round.

I heard he playing the Academy, but the Olympia is on standby in case there is a big demand

Billy86

CFlat wrote: »

No one would do that.......BAZINGA!

You know what? I hope the religious folk are right. I hope there is a hell for you. :mad:

Dick phelan

super_furry wrote: »

He shouldn't be allowed to give a speech in any publically owned place until the Catholic orders that owe the government €245 million for their contribution to the State redress scheme pay up.

Wait so your basically saying he shouldn't be allowed the right of freedom of speech, lol i bet you think your progressive

super_furry

Dick phelan wrote: »

Wait so your basically saying he shouldn't be allowed the right of freedom of speech, lol i bet you think your progressive

Not even remotely. Let him speak, let him say whatever he wants.

But let's not organise a massive stage for him, let's not pay hundreds of Gardai and security guards to facilitate him and lets not allow him free use of our facilities, until he pays what his Catholic orders owe the people of Ireland that his organisations abused and brutalised.

Galwayguy35

super_furry wrote: »

Not even remotely. Let him speak, let him say whatever he wants.

But let's not organise a massive stage for him, let's not pay hundreds of Gardai and security guards to facilitate him and lets not allow him free use of our facilities, until he pays what his Catholic orders owe the people of Ireland that his organisations abused and brutalised.

Well you don't get to decide where he can speak so you'll have to sit it out behind your laptop moaning about it I guess.

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

I could be well off on this to be honest, but isn't he the first pope to accept evolution and the big bang theory?

Whoever is thinking about it, don't make a joke or reference to that woeful TV show please.

Maybe he's the first to come out & say it in a speech. I was taught by nuns, well over 30 years ago & they & visiting priests all told us that Genesis was a story, a metaphor, for god creating earth. I was taught it wasn't meant to be taken literally, and that science explains evolution.
So clearly the church have accepted evolution a long time ago

Autonomous Cowherd

Ah, what a day.
I sat for miles on my whiskery aunties knobbly knees in the back of a stuffed Ford Cortina, walked the many miles in the gloaming from Clondalkin to the Phoenix Park, kept up me strength on squashed banana sandwiches, braved the toilet pits (shudder!) and then just as the Popemobile came into sight a nun viciously elbowed me right in my face and stepped over my prone body. Instead of the Pope I had a worm's eye view of her knickers.

learn_more

Christ almighty. Do we really need 1 year and 10 months advanced notice of this visit. The cynic in me would think this is a deliberately tatic to build up a hysterical interest in this visit though the constant media debates and controversy that will surely ensue. After all, there is no such thing as bad publicity.

As a non-believer I have no problem with him coming to visit as I have no interest in it whatsoever. In contrast to 1979 I can easily flick channels and ignore the whole thing, as I do for things which are considered to be 'whole country' events but really aren't , like international football games or Olympic boxing matches, which I have absolutely no interest in either.

Fleawuss

A simple man with simple tastes who believes he is on the side of the poor and the oppressed and that his version of "god" is too. I expect he will keep his visit as simple as possible and avoid trying to recreate any of the triumphalism of 1979.

The problems with his visit are the residue of the abuse era and the redress scheme as someone else pointed out. He will have something to say on abortion but it will be of relevance to practicing rcs only. It won't be any news.

He's an old man though so we might well see his successor instead.