Pope will vist Ireland in 2018(mod warning in Op)

murpho999

CFlat wrote: »

No need to complain about the taxes that will be spent, it will come back in multiples because a lot of people will travel to Ireland for this. Flights back in '79 weren't 10 euros each so I think we can expect a lot of 'religious tourism' and it should be good for the economy. It might be a good time to start a little cottage industry making crosses and other religious items

I'm not remotely religious so it means nothing to me but my mum is elderly and I'd say she might go cause that's her thing. Each to their own I suppose.

Anyway 2 years of fun to be had here.

Who would travel from where for this? Sure popes go everywhere nowadays like touring bands.

Dyr

Fleawuss wrote: »

A simple man with simple tastes who believes he is on the side of the poor and the oppressed and that his version of "god" is too. I expect he will keep his visit as simple as possible and avoid trying to recreate any of the triumphalism of 1979.

The church is no more reformed than it was back then, it's had to be beaten out of its positions of power and dragged kicking and screaming into the modern era in the wake of the country. It now has the ingratiating air of a bully who's realized that no one afraid of him anymore.

There's the small issue of the money Frank owes us too

PressRun

A top to bottom indictment of the crimes committed by members of the Catholic church in this country. And we've had nothing but a half-hearted apology by the people who aided and abetted the trauma inflicted on people like this man.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iQGczIx6Sg

If people want to go and see the Pope in his own city, go for it. But why on earth we should be giving the VIP treatment to the head of an organisation who committed truly unforgivable crimes in this country is beyond me.

The flying mouse

If the Pope indicated that he would give an apology to the Irish people, (something like the queen did) would that be enough ?


Along with clergy, the Gardaí were accused in the report of covering up the scandal.[18] Murphy report.

super_furry

If the first thing the Pope does in this country isn't to get down on his hands and knees and beg for forgiveness from the likes of Michael O'Brien he can go and s***e.

Sam Kade

I see where the man in the wheelchair with his magic talking machine and a few more scientists visited the pope today and he glorified them all especially the man in the wheelchair who doesn't believe in God.

Jimmy Garlic

Fleawuss wrote: »

A simple man with simple tastes.

There is nothing simple about how the mind of a Jesuit works, everything has two meanings, one for the stupid plebs who take it at face value and another for those in the know.

who believes he is on the side of the poor and the oppressed and that his version of "god" is too

With the Vaticans vast, obscene wealth something practical could be done about it, but that is out of the question of course. What Frank would like to see happen is a drastic drop in living standards in the west and a bit of a rise in living standards in the third world, meeting somewhere in the middle. He is completely on board with globalism and the carbon scam which is going to cut the legs from under the west over the next couple of decades.

The flying mouse

I defiantly think there has to be some sort of sincere apology from the Pope to the People of Ireland.

But I would ask people to remember it just wasn't the catholic church who covered up the massive sexual abuse in this country, It was successive government's & Garda to.

Yourself isit

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

There is nothing simple about how the mind of a Jesuit works, everything has two meanings, one for the stupid plebs who take it at face value and another for those in the know.



With the Vaticans vast, obscene wealth something practical could be done about it, but that is out of the question of course. What Frank would like to see happen is a drastic drop in living standards in the west and a bit of a rise in living standards in the third world, meeting somewhere in the middle. He is completely on board with globalism and the carbon scam which is going to cut the legs from under the west over the next couple of decades.

Pope in cultural Marxism shock.

The Vatican isn't really that rich.

LordSutch

Last time the Pope came (79') a lot of protestant people acted as a freebie taxi service by driving & dropping their RC friends & family at the Phoenix Park for the day to see 'il Papa', which was nice.... Hopefully the same service will be provided again this time.

I wonder will the crowds turn out again in such numbers?

steddyeddy

LordSutch wrote: »

Last time the Pope came (79') a lot of protestant people acted as a freebie taxi service by driving & dropping their RC friends & family at the Phoenix Park for the day to see 'il Papa', which was nice.... Hopefully the same service will be provided again this time.

I wonder will the crowds turn out again in such numbers?

Will you give me a lift

PTH2009

So will mass be postponed all over the country and a main mass take place in Phoenix Park/Croke Park if he visits on a Sunday ???

Every priest/nun/Bishop etc will have to be in attendance wherever his main event thing is in Ireland

Will u2 perform for him ????

MadYaker

Is there going to be a massive mass somewhere? He'll surely go to knock?

The flying mouse

PTH2009 wrote: »

So will mass be postponed all over the country and a main mass take place in Phoenix Park/Croke Park if he visits on a Sunday ???

Every priest/nun/Bishop etc will have to be in attendance wherever his main event thing is in Ireland

Will u2 perform for him ????

U 1st

The flying mouse

MadYaker wrote: »

Is there going to be a massive mass somewhere? He'll surely go to knock?

Say it be knock ok & surly he have to go to Popes cross phoenix park ? or maybe Mass in croke park, depends on the crowds , I say he still get huge crowds here to be honest.

lazybones32

I have no problem with anyone visiting this Country. I can't say that I'd be inclined to travel to Dublin to see him and I say that as a practicing Catholic. It's nothing against him but I am lazy.

Maybe I'm cynical but I don't trust Enda's motives in inviting him: 3 years ago, Enda's speechwriter (one of them) penned an aggressive speech accusing the Vatican of interfering in the Justice system and other 'crimes'. Enda happily read it out and basked in the glory that came from it and now he goes and invites the head of the 'corrupt' body to these shores? Is he trying to improve his appeal among RC voters?

The flying mouse wrote: »

I defiantly think there has to be some sort of sincere apology from the Pope to the People of Ireland.

But I would ask people to remember it just wasn't the catholic church who covered up the massive sexual abuse in this country, It was successive government's & Garda to.

Why should the Pope apologise though? It was Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. It is most likely due to legal counsel that the Irish Bishops haven't apologised (saying "sorry" can be seen as an admission of liability)
From a Catholic pov, there are more important issues facing Ireland, than offering an apology* for things that happened nearly a generation ago.

* an apology that is mostly demanded by people who have no right to an apology ie; those who were not victims themselves, but harp on about it as if it were some personal mission that must be achieved.

ohnonotgmail

lazybones32 wrote: »

I have no problem with anyone visiting this Country. I can't say that I'd be inclined to travel to Dublin to see him and I say that as a practicing Catholic. It's nothing against him but I am lazy.

Maybe I'm cynical but I don't trust Enda's motives in inviting him: 3 years ago, Enda's speechwriter (one of them) penned an aggressive speech accusing the Vatican of interfering in the Justice system and other 'crimes'. Enda happily read it out and basked in the glory that came from it and now he goes and invites the head of the 'corrupt' body to these shores? Is he trying to improve his appeal among RC voters?






Why should the Pope apologise though? It was Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. It is most likely due to legal counsel that the Irish Bishops haven't apologised (saying "sorry" can be seen as an admission of liability)
From a Catholic pov, there are more important issues facing Ireland, than offering an apology* for things that happened nearly a generation ago.

* an apology that is mostly demanded by people who have no right to an apology ie; those who were not victims themselves, but harp on about it as if it were some personal mission that must be achieved.

The coverup went as far as ratzinger

mansize

I'll go to protest

mansize

MadYaker wrote: »

Has he come to apologise?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ8rMgau18E

Ulysses Gaze

The flying mouse wrote: »

Say it be knock ok & surly he have to go to Popes cross phoenix park ? or maybe Mass in croke park, depends on the crowds , I say he still get huge crowds here to be honest.

Apparently he's not going to be doing any massive public meetings as he is only there for a couple of days at the conference.

He's apparently going to stay in Dublin and perhaps visit a prison.

mansize

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Apparently he's not going to be doing any massive public meetings as he is only there for a couple of days at the conference.

He's apparently going to stay in Dublin and perhaps visit a prison.

Visit the clergy that were incarcerated for sex crimes on little children?

Ulysses Gaze

mansize wrote: »

Visit the clergy that were incarcerated for sex crimes on little children?

RTE mentioned that in meeting prisoners, he could well meet child sex offenders.

Diarmuid Martin was kind of stumped when that was put to him.

:pac:

irishfeen

I assume there will finally be a public apology for the atrocities of the past and the lives they have destroyed.

If he does fair fcuks to the man - the easy option would be not to come or just release a statement .. if he comes and stands on Irish soil, meets victims and apologises then he deserves credit - given the past history of the Vatican it would be almost unheard of.

lazybones32

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

The coverup went as far as ratzinger

But it was still Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. Ratzinger wasn't the first, second, third, fourth, etc, person to be made aware of what was happening here. It reached his ears, yes, but long after it was covered up here...by Irish people.

The flying mouse

lazybones32 wrote: »

Why should the Pope apologise though? It was Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. It is most likely due to legal counsel that the Irish Bishops haven't apologised (saying "sorry" can be seen as an admission of liability)
From a Catholic pov, there are more important issues facing Ireland, than offering an apology* for things that happened nearly a generation ago.

* an apology that is mostly demanded by people who have no right to an apology ie; those who were not victims themselves, but harp on about it as if it were some personal mission that must be achieved.

The Pope is the head of the Catholic Church, All its directives comes from Rome, Is it so hard to say sorry for what people did representing you & your organisation.

Don't know where your getting your last bit of info from, But lets just say I 54 & I remember.

mansize

lazybones32 wrote: »

But it was still Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. Ratzinger wasn't the first, second, third, fourth, etc, person to be made aware of what was happening here. It reached his ears, yes, but long after it was covered up here...by Irish people.

Rome issued the diktat to report only to Rome

ohnonotgmail

lazybones32 wrote: »

But it was still Irish people who abused and Irish people who covered it up. Ratzinger wasn't the first, second, third, fourth, etc, person to be made aware of what was happening here. It reached his ears, yes, but long after it was covered up here...by Irish people.

So the vatican were totally innocent? good to know

Oops69

He'll do some pr 'repentance piece ' , whatever the hierarchy here dream up , like the good little machaevelian Jesuit that he is , then all the hurt is forgiven and back to normal.A lot more practical repentance needs to be done in Ireland by the church before he can be truly welcome here.

RobertKK

The Irish bishops invited the Pope, with Enda just extending the invitation.

The Pope also attended the same event - the festival of families in Philadelphia last year, which got great coverage on CNN.

http://www.visitphilly.com/popes-visit-world-meeting-of-families-2015/#sm.0006frdan14r6di6yu41fgem4c3lx

In Philiadelphia, there was two papal parades, a concert which Mark Wahlberg hosted and a papal mass.

Seems the Pope also visited Philadelphia in 1979:
In October 1979, one million onlookers greeted Pope John Paul II for a Mass on the Benjamin Franklin Parkway during his first papal visit to the United States.
and they have their papal cross from 1979:
One physical landmark remains: a 37-foot cross used in the Center City Mass now stands on the grounds of St. Charles Borromeo Seminary.


Last year for the final mass there was only 10,000 tickets for it, which when released were gone in 30 seconds.

That's how long it took for all 10,000 tickets to watch Pope Francis celebrate Mass later this month in Philadelphia to be taken, an apparent indicator of the excitement over his first visit as pontiff to the United States.The tickets were made available online at 8 p.m. on a first-come, first-serve basis, according to those behind the World Meeting of Families, the event that is a chief focus of the Pope's visit and is affiliated with the Philadelphia archdiocese. And people couldn't pick up more than four tickets at a time.
Even with that restriction, the tickets to the 4 p.m. Mass on Sunday, September 27, at Eakins Oval along Benjamin Franklin Parkway were gone within 30 seconds, the same organization said.
These tickets were free. That didn't stop people from trying to take advantage. Within two hours of when they went on sale, eBay already had a host of people hawking individual tickets for from $99.99 up to $450.
Such blatant capitalism appears at odds with the Pope's railings the "unfettered pursuit" of money," which he called "the devil's dung" while touring South America in July.
But it's not the only example surrounding the Pope's much hyped American tour.
Several hundred people this month took to eBay and Craigslist trying to sell train tickets for the Pope's visit to Philadelphia for up to $40, or four times their face value.
And Airbnb is buzzing with people offering their homes for Francis' visit, including one for a 2-bedroom condo for $7,000 a night.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/09/world/pope-philadelphia-mass/

The Pope spent 6 days in the US for the festival of families.
So it could be another 6 day visit as the festival ran from Sept 22nd to Sept 27th last year in Philadelphia.

A Little Pony

The Irish people treated The Queen well on her visit. So if the Pope comes to Northern Ireland, we have an obligation to treat him well. Good luck to him. Although judging by the replies on this thread, it seems Irish people are going to protest? Sounds absolutely mad!