Nest Protect 2nd Gen Smoke + Carbon Monoxide Alarm

philboy

Thanks for the feedback Paul. We are getting in a stove in the sitting room so will need one there too also.

Stoner

Note the attic is overlooked and a high risk area I've a nest up there

ted1

These are now 89 euro for electric Ireland customers

bk

ted1 wrote: »

These are now 89 euro for electric Ireland customers

Have a link to that?

I'm an EI customer, but haven't heard anything about it!

ted1

Got a letter in the post yesterday.

Stoner

ted1 wrote:

These are now 89 euro for electric Ireland customers

FFS I just bought two from Google store

AndyBoBandy

ted1 wrote: »

Got a letter in the post yesterday.

I wonder would the deal only be available to those who got their Nest Thermostat from EI?

copacetic

I have 5, kitchen, utility, hall, living room and landing.

Had a 6th for cavity which boiler flue leaves through, but it couldn’t switch off boiler apparently
so had to replace that one.

Will probably put spare in attic now.

So far they seem reliable, was concerned with kitchen one and smoke, b only one warning so far during a fry up, which I muted and cleared before alarm went off.

Stoner

copacetic wrote:

Had a 6th for cavity which boiler flue leaves through, but it couldn’t switch off boiler apparently so had to replace that one.

How did you try it ? mine kills the power over IFTTT on a lightwaverf boiler switch

SachaJ

Are you guys putting them in the attic? According to the Nest website it says not to.

Also is it possible to get a temperature reading from these? I’m thinking of mounting a few tablets on walls around the house, perhaps running Imperihome, and I’d like to show room temperature.

JDxtra

It would be way to dusty in an attic (non-converted) to install one in there in my opinion.

Stoner

Thing is that Google don't specialise in fire alarm regulations

I was at a CDP session a while back I posted on it here, a fire in an attic spreads very quickly to the bedrooms below

Thing is people are fitting intruder alarm panels, lights, CCTV DVRs and network equipment in their attics using them as a mini comms room.

I've a cheap covering stapled to my ceiling. I've a cheap floor on it. I've the old hover up there and I give it a blast every now and then.

There are a lot more fire hazards in a modern attic then there use to be, if you use it as a comms room then it's a change of use to a degree.

If you a standard 1990's attic with nothing in it except dust and suitcases then fair enough.

bk

Stoner wrote: »

Thing is that Google don't specialise in fire alarm regulations

Just to point out the Google/Nest follow all fire regulations, as set out by the various regulatory bodies.

Unfortunately when you start looking into this sort of stuff, you realise that many of the regulations are the bear minimum and not at all in line with latest best practise.

BTW Here is what Nest actually say about Attics:

Attic: It’s true that unfinished attics are a bad place for smoke alarms. The National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) prohibits installing an alarm in an unfinished attic because the temperature can drop below 40ºF (4ºC) or get above 100ºF (37ºC) and the smoke alarm may not function properly. A finished attic, like a game room, is a different story. Here, you can install a Nest Protect.

https://nest.com/blog/2013/12/05/your-nest-protect-questions-our-answers/

So yes, if your attic is furnished or you have a lot of electrics up there, then I'd put a Nest protect there too.

AndyBoBandy

Hopefully there are good deals on Black Friday

Stoner

bk wrote:

Just to point out the Google/Nest follow all fire regulations, as set out by the various regulatory bodies.

To be fair that's a sweeping statement.

However i take your point.

However where to install these differs from country to country. These installation methods are governed by regulations.

For example the design of the fire alarm in grenfell tower would be different to one you'd find in Ireland. I've seen no landlord systems represented in UK apartments once the front door met a fire rating standard. Not the case here .

You couldn't say that you don't need whole system fire detection in the domestic areas of an Irish apartment, it's halls and or bedrooms, but regulations in some countries allow that case.

So the device might be suitable for use in many countries and operate correctly, but you can't make a statement that you should or should not install a detector in a particular room type and assume it meet All requirements and design standards, regulations differ all over the world.

The concept is that an optical or ionisation smoke detector should not be installed in a dusty environment would be more apt. As advised for kitchens. You'll get false alarms

That does not mean that no detection should be installed, tape or rate of rise detectors can be used. So not all attics are dusty or have standardised used, people would be advised to take the risks into account and not follow the generic printed text found on a device.

A recommendation is not a regulation.

So we are posting in the iot forum, it's very possible a lot if users have electrical equipment in their attics.

I'm not being arsey here, this is not about a router or a choice of smart home socket, it's about a life safety system, as someone who's been involved in the design if these systems for over 20 years it's worth noting that people are using their attics to hold electrical equipment. It's a risk either and people should seriously consider moving it or changing the environment where it's installed and protecting it.

bk

Question though, are folks actually putting electrical equipment (routers, etc.) in unfurnished attics?!

Unfurnished attics are very damp, cold and dusty. That will not be good at all for your devices! When you said putting gear in your attic, I assumed a furnished room, in which case Nest Protect is a god option.

To be honest, I would not recommend putting gear in an unfurnished attic at all!

However if people do, what sort of "fire alarm" would you recommend for the attic space?

SachaJ

bk wrote: »

Question though, are folks actually putting electrical equipment (routers, etc.) in unfurnished attics?!

Of course they are. It’s a very handy place for a PoE switch or DVR for CCTV.

(Note: my personal CCTV gear is in a spare room/office)

bk

SachaJ wrote: »

Of course they are. It’s a very handy place for a PoE switch or DVR for CCTV.

Eckk, it really sucks as a place for this sort of gear, they are highly likely to get damaged and fail early. Dust, damp and cold, a terrible combination for electronics.

Stoner

bk wrote:

However if people do, what sort of "fire alarm" would you recommend for the attic space?

I'd get spend a little money on it, insulation in the eaves staple breathable cover over it. That will keep the dust away.

The I'd use a smoke detector as a heat won't triggers fast enough.

Link it in to the others and obviously nest is perfect for that

copacetic

Interesting, during my house refurb, we had to put one in open plan kitchen and didn't put one in attic but wired power for it. Attic is prepped for conversion, with opened out area etc but no stairs and is indeed very dusty. No equipment up there, all in utility. Actually have a spare nest protect for it also.

Kitchen one has gone off with cooking etc, could have just had a heat one in kitchen, but regs required all alarms linked and since went with nest had to have one in there also, would be great to be able to tell nest unit in an attic or kitchen to respond to heat only say.

Have found app a bit unreliable for silencing alarms also,

bk

copacetic wrote: »

Kitchen one has gone off with cooking etc, could have just had a heat one in kitchen, but regs required all alarms linked and since went with nest had to have one in there also, would be great to be able to tell nest unit in an attic or kitchen to respond to heat only say.

Have found app a bit unreliable for silencing alarms also,

Heat alarms work in a fundamentaly different was from how Nests lasers work. So nest will need to launch a whole new device for heat.

Disappointed to hear your experience of silencing the nest alarm, was one of the major selling points for me to get some. The better half is always smoking up the kitchen!

copacetic

bk wrote: »

Heat alarms work in a fundamentaly different was from how Nests lasers work. So nest will need to launch a whole new device for heat.

Disappointed to hear your experience of silencing the nest alarm, was one of the major selling points for me to get some. The better half is always smoking up the kitchen!

Worked ok once, other time app said can't silence, must be near alarm, or something, when standing right below it, so had to get up on table to push button to silence. Annoying for me, impossible/v difficult for herself if here on her own. She's nervous now about cooking in kitchen.
Both times, was smokey pan getting a good crust on steaks.

Agree re heat, really meant a setting for say, cooking, so be less sensitive, although guess that's a recipe for disaster.

May have to look at changing how it's done and swapping the kitchen one out, we have a strong extractor to outside and it's as far as possible really, centred over open plan end of long room, so a good 4m or so from the hob.

RonanC

It is the 2nd gen Nest Protect? I have 6 of them and have had no issues silencing the alarm.

copacetic

RonanC wrote: »

It is the 2nd gen Nest Protect? I have 6 of them and have had no issues silencing the alarm.

Yep, I’ve 6 too! it’s only happened the most recent time, I’m looking in to it, possibly something to do with streaming music from Spotify via Bluetooth at the same time as alarm warning came.

SachaJ

Anyone know will these have any issues in a utility room? Mainly asking as the room has a condenser drier so it gets hot in there and cold when the drier is not on (part of a garage so I unheated)