Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

Capt'n Midnight

VinLieger wrote: »

Who are you kidding they will never lower excise duty.

Excise duty was cut in 2009 as any publican will tell you.

Excise on beer hasn't gone up since 2014 as any publican will tell you.


Regardless the total amount of excise duty collected will fall if consumption drops.

VinLieger

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Excise duty was cut in 2009 as any publican will tell you.

Excise on beer hasn't gone up since 2014 as any publican will tell you.


Regardless the total amount of excise duty collected will fall if consumption drops.

It was lowered in 2009 due to the economic crisis and as a political motive to gather votes, it hasn't been raised since 2014 as the vintners and nimbys have been lobbying hard for MUP as a replacement since 2011.

Big Gerry

The price of drink in Ireland is already the 2nd highest in Europe.


If anything we should be paying less not more for drink.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-alcohol-prices-are-second-highest-in-the-eu-wmfzhskf7

ohnonotgmail

Big Gerry wrote: »

The price of drink in Ireland is already the 2nd highest in Europe.


If anything we should be paying less not more for drink.


https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/irish-alcohol-prices-are-second-highest-in-the-eu-wmfzhskf7

shush now, you can't use facts to argue against MUP. that's cheating.

ShamNNspace

The lower classes must be infantilised and protected from themselves at all costs, find what they enjoy and tax the hell out of it under the guise of health or whatever and leave those who appreciate and understand and can afford a good wine or brandy and the finer things in life to enjoy them properly in the manner in which they have become accustomed

Akesh

We are a disgraceful nanny state. It's actually embarrassing. I don't know how the people of Ireland aren't calling out for direct democracy.

Vote for the same charlatans every year and expect different results. We get what we deserve.

odyssey06

ShamNNspace wrote: »

The lower classes must be infantilised and protected from themselves at all costs, find what they enjoy and tax the hell out of it under the guise of health or whatever and leave those who appreciate and understand and can afford a good wine or brandy and the finer things in life to enjoy them properly in the manner in which they have become accustomed

Or they must spend their money in an approved gombeen (rent seeker) run establishment.

ShamNNspace

odyssey06 wrote: »

Or they must spend their money in an approved gombeen (rent seeker) run establishment.

Tis true, twould drive a man or woman to drink if they thought about it too much

carq

Have written to my local TD on the issue.

If this is brought in I will be holidaying up north and filling the boot on the way home.

odyssey06

The Journal running a poll on this ... very poorly worded intro e.g. don't call out no more cans of beer for €1 type offers.

https://www.thejournal.ie/poll-drink-less-minimum-units-alcohol-5422075-Apr2021/

KrustyUCC

"Alcohol Action Ireland maintains that with the introduction of MUP, the cheapest available alcohol product in Ireland will still be cheaper than those products in Northern Ireland, as showed by a Department of Finance Tax Strategy Group presentation last July."

What is hell are they on about?

How is a €22.09 minimum bottle of whiskey cheaper than than the same bottle at €12.49 in Northern Ireland?

Thelonious Monk

As pretty much all of the voting population is against this, and people are disillusioned with the current government, why in god's name do they think it would be a good idea to introduce this now?
I don't think anything has ever annoyed me more than MUP when it comes to Irish politics, I don't actually miss pubs but f*ck them for lobbying for this and I wont be rushing back to give them my money anyway.

Antares35

carq wrote: »

Have written to my local TD on the issue.

If this is brought in I will be holidaying up north and filling the boot on the way home.

We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

*Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.

KrustyUCC

Antares35 wrote: »

We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

*Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.

Some plans for that alright but that's down the line

VinLieger

Gonna really start stepping up my home brew game, been solely doing wine for a while but definitely moving into beer when im not using the equipment for wine.

Antares35

VinLieger wrote: »

Gonna really start stepping up my home brew game, been solely doing wine for a while but definitely moving into beer when im not using the equipment for wine.

Wine home brew - I'm intrigued!

ShamNNspace

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

As pretty much all of the voting population is against this, and people are disillusioned with the current government, why in god's name do they think it would be a good idea to introduce this now?
I don't think anything has ever annoyed me more than MUP when it comes to Irish politics, I don't actually miss pubs but f*ck them for lobbying for this and I wont be rushing back to give them my money anyway.

Its only ould overpriced slop anyways they serve in a lot of these places especially in the tourist traps. The monks allways brewed the best alcohol anyway imv so you're halfway there allready

The One Doctor

Going back to homebrewing soon, mead mainly.

Bigmac1euro

Up the north I go. Once a month should cut it. Not too bad when you think about it. Until they bring it in. I’ll probably stop drinking at home then.

crossmolinalad

Antares35 wrote: »

We will be going to France.* Even if it costs the same or slightly more, I'll do it just so as not to give the f*ckers anything extra.

*Assuming they don't start tinkering around with that also.

Boxes of wine 2.5liter for 6 euro , 24 bottles of beer 50cl 15 euro on the continent
Buying them for years now there

odyssey06

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"Alcohol Action Ireland maintains that with the introduction of MUP, the cheapest available alcohol product in Ireland will still be cheaper than those products in Northern Ireland, as showed by a Department of Finance Tax Strategy Group presentation last July."

What is hell are they on about?

How is a €22.09 minimum bottle of whiskey cheaper than than the same bottle at €12.49 in Northern Ireland?

There is no lie Alcohol action won't tell to justify this.
Their entire argument is built on dishonesty so why not go the whole hog.

carq

crossmolinalad wrote: »

Boxes of wine 2.5liter for 6 euro , 24 bottles of beer 50cl 15 euro on the continent
Buying them for years now there

Last time i checked the ferry prices were extortionate - 700 return or something like that. is this still the case?

Thelonious Monk

I actually wrote to all my TDs about this a few years ago saying they'll never get my vote again over this, it's been going on that long, and I think most of them responded, I remember Richard Bruton said something like sorry but it's for your own good in his response. I just can't believe they are so blind on this matter, f*cking no one wants it to happen.

Big Gerry

Big Gerry

When minimum pricing comes in I can see the black market for drink taking off like a rocket.

LillySV

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

A lot of the younger generation already choosing drugs over alcohol .. wait till this happens ... it will push a lot more that way...we will be seeing higher instances of guys walking around like zombies chewing their gums .. on planet zog

odyssey06

Retail Ireland concerned if this comes in without North adopting similar


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0428/1212488-retailers-alcohol/

Suckit

odyssey06 wrote: »

Retail Ireland concerned if this comes in without North adopting similar


https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0428/1212488-retailers-alcohol/

They were supposed to wait for the North, but the crowd in charge at the minute, know better.
Somebody started pushing it a few weeks ago, and to be honest, I didn't think he stood a chance in hell in convincing them to plough ahead with it.
They can try and tax all alcohol coming into the Country if they want (IIRC that goes against EU laws), but there is no way they will be able to stop the importing of it en masse.

I couldn't hope to guess how this will all pan out, but I know that I will be looking abroad in the EU to import, and while I am at that, I may as well import bulk cheap wine and spirits with other goods.
The 2nd most expensive place in Europe to buy alcohol introducing MUP to stop the sale of 'cheap' alcohol.
F**K off.
You can push too hard, which they may find out.

One thing I would like to know, does anybody have the figures for alcohol sales in Scotland that were imported in car boots and vans? Are they counted in the overall drop in sales?

listermint

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I actually wrote to all my TDs about this a few years ago saying they'll never get my vote again over this, it's been going on that long, and I think most of them responded, I remember Richard Bruton said something like sorry but it's for your own good in his response. I just can't believe they are so blind on this matter, f*cking no one wants it to happen.

Similar response.

Carbon copy emails from number of TDs.


It's bizarre how out of touch with reality they are and so off base with their actual facts on consumption they are clearly being fed misinformation from some group or their party.

Fr Tod Umptious

listermint wrote: »

Similar response.

Carbon copy emails from number of TDs.


It's bizarre how out of touch with reality they are and so off base with their actual facts on consumption they are clearly being fed misinformation from some group or their party.

MUP has been on the cards since 2011
Roisin Shorthall then of the Labour Party was the junior minister for health that started the ball rolling on it.

So in that time there has been two General Elections and the threat of MUP has been so irrelevant to the political discussion that it has not appeared once as an election issue in all that time.

No TD is going to lose any significant amounts of votes let alone a seat over the implementation of MUP, regardless of what people here might think.