Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101042#Comment_122101042

Pint glass ?????

bog master

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101126#Comment_122101126

Your post quotes a media article. Please supply actual quotes from the report and I shall happily give you my opinions.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101255#Comment_122101255

The source was named in the article. You can see the references [x] from Page 202 onwards. This is [10] as an example:

10 Central Statistic Office. CSO population 2022 Census. https://www.cso.ie/en/statistics/
population/censusofpopulation2022/censusofpopulation2022-summaryresults/
(accessed 4 Jul 2023).

https://www.hrb.ie/fileadmin/user_upload/HRB_Alcohol_Overview_Series_13.pdf

3.1 Per capita alcohol consumption.

A total of 42,266,785 litres of pure alcohol was sold for consumption in Ireland in 2023. This
is then divided by the number of people aged 15 years and over in the population, which was
4,270,000 in 2023 according to CSO estimates [10]. This means that per capita alcohol use
in Ireland in 2023 was 9.9 litres of pure alcohol per person aged 15 years and over, a 2.9%
decrease from 2022, (based on 2022 population estimates).

Because per capita alcohol consumption is based on all adults aged 15 years and over in
Ireland, this rate of consumption includes those who abstain from consuming alcohol. Data
from the 2023 Healthy Ireland Survey indicate that 30% of adults in Ireland aged 15 years and
over had not consumed alcohol in the previous 12 months [3]. When abstainers (n=1,281,000
according to the 2023 Healthy Ireland Survey) are excluded, alcohol consumption among
drinkers aged 15 years and over increases to 14.1 litres of pure alcohol per person in 2023.
This is considerably more than the Department of Health’s stated aim to reduce per capita
alcohol consumption in Ireland to 9.1 litres.

Globally, up to one-quarter of alcohol use is not officially recorded [11]. A study of 25,728
respondents from 33 European countries (including Ireland) was carried out in 2021 in order
to establish the prevalence of unrecorded alcohol use. The study found that seven countries
(including Ireland) had high levels of unrecorded alcohol use, with 11.3% of per capita alcohol
use in Ireland estimated as being unrecorded. Ireland was above the European average for
unrecorded alcohol use among male drinkers (14.2% compared with the European average
of 13.9%). Females’ unrecorded alcohol use was noted as 7.9% in Ireland (compared with the European average of 9.9%). The study concludes that when unrecorded alcohol use is considered along with Revenue figures, the true rate of per capita alcohol consumption is substantially higher than what is officially reported [12].

VinLieger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101136#Comment_122101136

Yes that time you fell for easily disproveable brexit nonsense and refused to admit your naivety. This new post with zero sources that is full of rumors and unsubstantiated claims reeks of the same.

Geuze

Given that the distinctions between cafes / bars / pubs / restaurants is so blurred in DE, FR, etc., I don't know how anybody can arrive at a comparison between Ireland and other countries.

dxhound2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101620#Comment_122101620

I only skimmed through the 200 odd pages, and I did not look up any of the reference except the one about the estimate of the number of over 15 year olds in Ireland at the time of the last Census. The Conclusions section does recognise that there are gaps in the data. But your characterisation of the report needs some opposing evidence to back up your claims.

Research gaps
This report has highlighted that we have multiple sources of information, from routine
surveys, national information systems, administrative data and published literature about
alcohol use in Ireland. There remains some important gaps in our knowledge base,
namely the lack of data on numbers of emergency department presentations and
ambulance callouts that are alcohol related. There are groups where there is limited or no
information available or a lack of up-to-date information available, so we do not know the
extent of alcohol use among these populations, for example, LGBTQI population, ethnic
minorities including members of the Traveller community and those living in Ireland as asylum seekers or refugees.

It is difficult to quantify the involvement of alcohol in domestic violence and we have
included information in this report about alcohol use among the victims of sexual assault, but
what about the perpetrators? There is limited information about community mental health
services and how alcohol use and mental health issues are often intertwined.
Alcohol use places a considerable burden on Irish society but the economic costs are
relatively unknown. A report published in 2010 is still relied on to estimate the societal
costs associated with problem alcohol use (EUR 3.7 billion or 1.9% of GDP). More recently,
a systematic review and meta-analysis of available literature found that in high-income
countries, the economic costs of alcohol use were estimated to be approximately 2.6%
of the GDP. Government revenue raised from alcohol sales is significantly less. Given the
evidence of the harm associated with alcohol use in Ireland, it is vital that a precise figure be
determined to understand the financial burden alcohol use places on Irish society

VinLieger

Wait are you serious? This an hilarious yet sad attempt to skew the stats. Yes if you remove the people who don't drink anything from the PER CAPITA stats of course consumption goes up...... The HRB literally skew the stats to ignore the per capita number to then complain the DOH goal of a reduction per capita isn't close to being met. Also their only data to base this number of teetotalers on is from a self reporting survey where they just asked people if they had had a drink in the past 12 months. Jesus fvcking christ…….

You know what I hear if you remove the numbers of cars crashed and deaths on the road from the stats then Ireland is the safest country to drive in the world.

Also it turns out if you remove everyone who doesn't use heroin from our statistics then we have 100% heroin use in Ireland….

Dub.

I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.

My old man used to buy a cheap bottle of Tesco vodka and a few cans for the weekend, on sunday night he`d go around to his local for a couple of pints and a chat. That was all, he didn`t touch alcohol during the week. Mup changed that, and he couldn`t afford the couple of pints and the chat on a sunday night with his pension. He refused help from his kids as he was a proud old git. He died from covid a while back and i worked out that he hadn`t been around to his local for a pint and a chat in nearly a year. Our government literally stole that small pleasure from him in his last year of life.

Timistry

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122088025#Comment_122088025

They had the same offer on in LIDL in Cork last week but for the princely sum of €15.49

thesandeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122168222#Comment_122168222

It's the cheapest they're allowed. Before MUP it used to be €7.69 I think.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122167062#Comment_122167062

Sadly the story of MUP is full of folk like your dad.

Doing no harm to anyone, enjoying a few drinks in their own way.

Make no mistake, the promotors of MUP knew people like your dad would suffer for their experiment.

They didn't care though, they were blinded by the idea that increasing the price of drink would improve outcomes for those who drink excessively.

Everyone else was just collateral damage.

Hotblack Desiato

You're being too kind to them elporello.

There were those who want to control society and there were those motivated by naked commercial self-interest.

elperello

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122174104#Comment_122174104

I'm certainly not going soft on MUP.

I hate it as much as I did when I first heard of the idea years ago.

When I mentioned promoters of MUP I was referring to the medics and campaigning groups like AAI.

At least, wrong as they were, they appeared to believe that MUP would deliver some health benefits.

But how the politicians swallowed the nonsense and it got cross party support still amazes me.

I don't know how public representatives could keep a straight face sitting across the table from publican and off licence lobbying organisations extolling the health benefits of MUP.

How could all the parties opposition and government alike fail to detect what you correctly describe as naked commercial self interest ?