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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.Spanish Eyes wrote: »but I don't visit many to be fair!
If you dont visit many - and im trying to be nice here, the your opinion means very little.
Why are you commenting on what pubs should be doing when you are very rarely in them. You have been in this thread telling businesses what should be happening and what the problems are when clearly you have very little experience as a customer and absolutely none from business end of it!
No offence but it's maddening!
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.Well if pubs are offering what the customer wants why do they need state intervention?
This bill tries to address price when your own example shows that it is the offering that is a problem.
And if this guy went from 3 pints ans a half 3 nights a week to 7 btls of Jameson, he has a serious problem he needs intervention not to be brought back to the pub
The state needs the intervention moreso than the pubs tbh - the figures speak for themselves
5,800 direct jobs from the off licence sector
160,000 + direct jobs from the bar/restaurant/nightclub sector
One is failing - there can be no avoiding the catastrophic effect the collapse of the drinks industry would have in Ireland. (not that it's collapsing - just sayin
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.weldoninhio wrote: »Ah anecdotal evidence. The best kind.
anecdote
noun
a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
Not sure you grasp the word "anecdote"
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The state needs the intervention moreso than the pubs tbh - the figures speak for themselves
5,800 direct jobs from the off licence sector
160,000 + direct jobs from the bar/restaurant/nightclub sector
One is failing - there can be no avoiding the catastrophic effect the collapse of the drinks industry would have in Ireland. (not that it's collapsing - just sayin )
It’s not the job of the govt to prop up an industry that’s failing. That they are trying to is pathetic.0 -
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.weldoninhio wrote: »It’s not the job of the govt to prop up an industry that’s failing. That they are trying to is pathetic.
They are not.
They are trying to stop access to your weekly limit of alcohol for less than €5 which can be achieved.
It's a health bill more than anything, im just backing up my argument with job statistics
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They are not.
They are trying to stop access to your weekly limit of alcohol for less than €5 which can be achieved.
It's a health bill more than anything, im just backing up my argument with job statistics
So protecting poor people from themselves?? And it’s no more a health bill than it is a transport bill. It’s a sop to the vintners.0 -
I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.weldoninhio wrote: »“Anecdotal evidence”. Here’s a link. I’m not sure you grasp what it means.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anecdotal_evidence
I'll take oxfords definition over wiki's.
I'm not sure how first hand accounts and experience can be a bad thing. Unless of course your calling me a Liar!!
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They are not.
They are trying to stop access to your weekly limit of alcohol for less than €5 which can be achieved.
It's a health bill more than anything, im just backing up my argument with job statistics
You are very brave to say that. No one believes it for a minute though. Otherwise pubs/off licenses would be closed and prohibition would be in tomorrow if they were really serious about it.
But it is a cultural experience to get pished in an Oirish Pub I suppose, as opposed to having a few beers at home.0 -
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It's a health bill more than anything, im just backing up my argument with job statistics
But its only a health bill for people with lower incomes. Those with higher disposable incomes won't really suffer.
Or those that currently only drink in pubs. So the health ills are all caused by the off licence trade? Are you really suggesting that pubs have no impact on the effects of alcohol across Ireland?
We have always (or at least as far I a have been aware) had higher than average alcoholic consumption, yet Offys etc have only real come into major play in the last 20 or so years. So what was the cause of alcohol problems before that?
In terms of btls, there is simply no justifcation for a pub to charge €4+ euro for product I can get in the Offy for €1.50. The only justification is that your costs are higher. Yeah well guess what, people used to buy holidays by going to travel agent but now they do it online.
The business model has changed and pubs are failing to accept that. They now want to wipe out the competition to prolong their dominance and profit making.0 -
I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.weldoninhio wrote: »So protecting poor people from themselves?? And it’s no more a health bill than it is a transport bill. It’s a sop to the vintners.
It is a far cry from a sop to the vintners - the vintners have struggled to get anything from the last 3 governments bar keeping the vat on drink down no price increases during budgets. Any other recommendation / proposal have been waved away. The drink industry is not popular, the government and vintners have been at loggerheads since the smoking ban.
Can I just add in relation to the vintners for those who dont know.
The vintners is the union who represent publicans in Ireland. VFI
They do not represent pubs in dublin - Thats the Lva
They are made up primarily of small, family owned and run establishments employing 10 people or less.
They do not represent restaurants - Thats the RAI
They, like any other group try to protect the livlihoods of it's members, that should not be frowned upon, it's the same as that ASTI or INMO
The hate for the organization is baffling.
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.weldoninhio wrote: »Not a liar, but “Where only one or a few anecdotes are presented, there is a larger chance that they may be unreliable due to cherry-picked or otherwise non-representative samples of typical cases. Similarly, psychologists have found that due to cognitive bias people are more likely to remember notable or unusual examples rather than typical examples.”
ok thanks for that!
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.Its not hate, just that people see it for what it is. A group trying to protect itself.
Nothing inherently wrong in that, we all do it, but putting out spurious argument about health etc when it is the very group that needs more people to drink more to keep them in business.
Even your mention of the loggerheads since the smoking ban. Why are you at loggerheads. That is a positive step for everyone. But it hit your trade so you (VFI not you personally) don't like it, to hell with the health benefits.
So can't you understand why people are slow to jump on board your 'its for the health of the nation' stance?
We love it now in fairness, any publican will tell you its better.
But, it did do exactly what we said it would, it pushed a lot of people out of the pub who never came back
Its undeniable. It adversely affected our trade, but we wouldnt go back all the same!!
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They are not.
They are trying to stop access to your weekly limit of alcohol for less than €5 which can be achieved.
It's a health bill more than anything, im just backing up my argument with job statistics
From the Fine Gale Manifesto, Page 26,Sec 5, Community and Rural Affairs.Sub sec. 5.3, Keeping Communities Vibrant.
Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pub
HERE
You can, with all my heartfelt sincerity stick the HEALTH argument where the sun don't shine :mad::mad::mad::mad:0 -
I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.From the Fine Gale Manifesto, Page 26,Sec 5, Community and Rural Affairs.Sub sec. 5.3, Keeping Communities Vibrant.
Supporting Irish Pubs: Fine Gael recognises the importance of the Irish pub for tourism, rural jobs and as a social outlet in communities across the country. We will support the local pub by banning the practice of below cost selling on alcohol, particularly by large supermarkets and the impact this has had on alcohol consumption and the viability of pub
HERE
You can, with all my heartfelt sincerity stick the HEALTH argument where the sun don't shine :mad::mad::mad::mad:
Below cost selling of alcohol is a different matter there fella, that came in with the groceries order - this is minimum unit pricing, as a binge drinking countermeasure. under a different heading.
your quoting 6yr old stuff that never happened - get your sh1t together before spouting rubbish!
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I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.You can, with all my heartfelt sincerity stick the HEALTH argument where the sun don't shine :mad::mad::mad::mad:
And if you cant converse without insults then ill just hit the ignore button!
:pac:
:cool::mad::o:):rolleyes:
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