Academy Awards Oscars 2017

johnny_ultimate

Here's that moment of insanity:

https://twitter.com/thr/status/836084204920135680

Fair play to Jordan Horowitz and the La La Land folk for taking it so well (still a delightful film).

Fair play to the Academy for making the right decision for a change.

But most of all serious ****ing congrats to Barry Jenkins, his cast & crew for a well, well deserved award. An immensely beautiful and compassionate film that really was one of the year's best.

Now, let's keep such choices up and we might actually have a worthwhile awards show again

Patty O Furniture

Corholio wrote: »

Holy ****..........momentous **** up! :eek:

Moonlight robbed of the occasion of winning though. Disastrous.

Why was Emma Stones card in that envelope??

There's a suggestion that a double
envelope, Beatty read out, as it said Emma Stone Lalaland :rolleyes:

FortuneChip wrote: »

Trump will have a field day!

Now Trump will chose to tweet now

Moonlight wins Best Picture - but La La Land is announced by mistake

In a jaw-dropping turn of events, the wrong winner for Best Picture was read out...and the error was only realised after Damien Chazelle and the La La Land team had taken to the stage.
Warren Beatty explained how the mistake happened: it looks like the actor was given the wrong envelope by mistake.
"I opened the envelope and it said Emma Stone, La La Land - that’s why I took such a long look at you and Faye [Dunaway]," he told the audience. "I wasn’t trying to be funny."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/oscars-2017-live-academy-awards-winners-losers-action-night/

I was wondering what was going on with all the other people running around the stage, i thought there was security running after someone until that cock up.... :D


Tried to post this earlier, but security check on how many shop fronts i can click :rolleyes:

Witchie

Best tv in years. Crying laughing here.

Felt sorry for them all but still.....Amazing!

Patty O Furniture

learn_more wrote: »

Think Kimmel gave the wrong envelope to Beatty which was the one for best actress (emma stone, lala land), the previous award. Think that's what happened.

enfant terrible wrote: »

Wasn't he given wrong card though "Emma Stone La La Land"

And wasn't it lady beside him who shouted La La land?

But before that, DiCaprio read out Emma Stone as well on his card, must have got left behind?

FortuneChip

There's a voice in there "I think they should keep it anyway"

Nobody from Moonlight is on stage, so who's making that bogus call?

Unearthly

Wasn't a fan of Moonlight but it's given me my favourite ever oscars moment

mystic86

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Forget the screw up - Moonlight is the best film to win best picture in a generation. They got it ****ing right for a change!

Can't say I agree, I thought it was a good movie for sure but not the best movie this year. I think the fact that it's based around a black community and a homosexual guy gives it an extra boost when it comes to the voters in the Academy, they have a history there.

I preferred Manchester by the Sea myself.

snowflaker

La la la was was saccharine white washed nostalgia fest - pass

snowflaker

mystic86 wrote: »

Can't say I agree, I thought it was a good movie for sure but not the best movie this year. I think the fact that it's based around a black community and a homosexual guy gives it an extra boost when it comes to the voters in the Academy, they have a history there.

I preferred Manchester by the Sea myself.

Yes black homosexual characters win far more oscars than white heterosexual ones

FortuneChip

I'm yet to see Moonlight, but Arrival was without question the best movie I saw in 2016, and for some time (never an Oscar contender mind).
Moonlight would be a damned good movie to rival it.

Shannon757

johnny_ultimate

Moonlight deserves it far beyond being merely a film about a gay black man, and I hope that's not the narrative that prevails. It is impeccably shot, acted and written, almost certainly the quietest film to win an Oscar in decades. I think the three frontrunners were all impressive and deserving movies (adored Manchester by The Sea too), but I'm just amazed the most subtle and nuanced of the films won over the wide appeal and accessibility of La La Land. The unlikely can happen, and IMO the best film won.

FortuneChip wrote: »

Moonlight would be a damned good movie to rival it.

It is.

Shannon757

Ipso

#oscarsso****e

mystic86

snowflaker wrote: »

Yes black homosexual characters win far more oscars than white heterosexual ones

No need to be so disingenuous, I said they had 'a history' I didn't say a history of what, but if you want me to spell it out a little bit the first thing to look at is the controversy from last year about the Academy being too white (to paraphrase massively)

snowflaker

mystic86 wrote: »

No need to be so disingenuous, I said they had 'a history' I didn't say a history of what, but if you want me to spell it out a little bit the first thing to look at is the controversy from last year about the Academy being too white (to paraphrase massively)

Nothing brings Jazz back to its roots like a middle class white man tho...

Do you believe last year's nominations were fair???

Patty O Furniture

Probably all the other good bits will get overshadowed like:

Denzil Washington marrying a couple too

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/836054253529518081/video/1

& the fact that Suicide Squad got an oscar maybe forgotten too

But this is what happened:

& Turns out that for each category, there are two cards waiting in the wings, one on each side, as explained in a 2016 Los Angeles Times story

You cant write this, although may make a good screenplay

Shannon757

Shannon757

Frank O. Pinion

Moonlight was a fantastic film, although Arrival would be my pick from the Best Picture nominees. I haven't seen La La Land or Hidden Figures yet, Lion was very good, Hacksaw Ridge and Hell or High Water were decent. I did not like Manchester By The Sea or Fences.

Any choices for films you thought deserved a Best Picture nomination? Swiss Army Man and Hail, Caesar! for me.

Patty O Furniture

Methinks someone from PWC is gonna get a P45, whether it's Brian or Martha?

This fella on twitter has a few ideas:

https://twitter.com/RyanBeckler/status/836119554405302272

Sad Professor

Really horribly embarrassing for all involved... but fair play to Jordan Horowitz for handling it with such class.

I love both films, but I think the right one won in the end.

Jan_de_Bakker

I didn't watch the ceremony, but was Emma Stones best actor award announced at that stage ?
if so what the hell was that envelope doing there then ?

764dak

Jan_de_Bakker wrote: »

I didn't watch the ceremony, but was Emma Stones best actor award announced at that stage ?
if so what the hell was that envelope doing there then ?

There are two envelopes for each award.
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38923750

thomasj

surprised noone mentioned this!
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/feb/27/the-other-oscars-gaffe-dead-woman-janet-patterson-jan-chapman-from-in-memoriam-montage-is-still-alive

Banjaxed82

Feel sorry for the Moonlight gang, never getting that initial "and the oscar goes to..." moment, and all the raw emotion that goes with it.

On the other hand, La La Land gang went through it....for all of 2 minutes.

4068ac1elhodqr

Much of Holywood is 'fake news' anyway, and there was some rumours of the envelopes/votes being hacked by the remaining tiny munchkins (from the wizard of oz) attired with tiny kettles of steaming water and butter knives. So in the end went with a Octahedron multiplier...

Fromvert

How difficult is it for Beatty/Dunaway to say 'I think we have the wrong envelope, this one is for best actress'.
Instead Beatty just looks at Dunaway until she says 'La La Land'.

tinpib

Knox Tart Swatch wrote: »

Much of Holywood is 'fake news' anyway, and there was some rumours of the envelopes/votes being hacked by the remaining tiny munchkins (from the wizard of oz) attired with tiny kettles of steaming water and butter knives. So in the end went with a Octahedron multiplier...

Haven't bothered to google myself, but I wonder what happened with bookies/exchanges settling that market? Was a good 90 seconds at least before the first inkling that there was something amiss.

I had a football bet settled on bet365 2 or 3 weeks ago because of a delay of approx 30-60 seconds of a goal being given and then being disallowed but they had already put the winnings in my account.

Last night's delay was certainly way longer than that.

tinpib

Fromvert wrote: »

How difficult is it for Beatty/Dunaway to say 'I think we have the wrong envelope, this one is for best actress'.
Instead Beatty just looks at Dunaway until she says 'La La Land'.

Would have been terrific if they had spotted someone else's 1 in a million collossal fcuk up and rectified the situation in the heat of the moment alright, but you can't blame them.

AMKC

Frank O. Pinion wrote: »

Moonlight was a fantastic film, although Arrival would be my pick from the Best Picture nominees. I haven't seen La La Land or Hidden Figures yet, Lion was very good, Hacksaw Ridge and Hell or High Water were decent. I did not like Manchester By The Sea or Fences.

Any choices for films you thought deserved a Best Picture nomination? Swiss Army Man and Hail, Caesar! for me.

I have not seen Moonlight and don,t think I will be going to the cinema to see it but am still delighted that it won Best Picture over that other overrated film although "Arrival" would have been my pick for it. I have not seen that overrated film and have no intention to ever see it.
I have seen Hacksaw Ridge and thought it was excellent. Fences looks excellent too and would have been a deserved winner as well.

Sad Professor

PWC really should have been the ones to step in and announce the correct winner, which is what they claimed would have happened if that malicious rumour about Jack Palance reading out Marisa Tomei's name by mistake was true. The fact that they were so slow to respond will probably lose them their 83-year-old (!) contract with the Academy.

I feel bad for everyone involved. It was a stupid little mistake which snowballed. But I think the fact that Horowitz was the one to gracefully hand the award to the Moonlight guys probably worked out for the best. But certainly the ideal scenario would have been Beatty saying "Sorry, I've been given the wrong card". A mistake which will almost certainly never happen again.

And what was up with Denzel? Devastated at not winning or pissed at Affleck? Or a bit of both?

4068ac1elhodqr

tinpib wrote: »

Haven't bothered to google myself, but I wonder what happened with bookies/exchanges settling that market? Was a good 90 seconds at least before the first inkling that there was something amiss.

I had a football bet settled on bet365 2 or 3 weeks ago because of a delay of approx 30-60 seconds of a goal being given and then being disallowed but they had already put the winnings in my account.

Last night's delay was certainly way longer than that.

Wasn't watching awards, just read some very good reviews recently on the less stupidly obvious moonlight. Also Hill's sleepy Traders left the gates wide open @8 when there was significant across the board price shortening for a good couple of hours.

It was all probably the work of DT's Ruskie hackers anyway using e-ink 'paper-like' paper. That and the rain, structural faults and the 'lower region wardrobe malfunction' experienced by the very glamorous Bianco Blanco Blance Bingo what her face...

AMKC

tinpib wrote: »

Haven't bothered to google myself, but I wonder what happened with bookies/exchanges settling that market? Was a good 90 seconds at least before the first inkling that there was something amiss.

I had a football bet settled on bet365 2 or 3 weeks ago because of a delay of approx 30-60 seconds of a goal being given and then being disallowed but they had already put the winnings in my account.

Last night's delay was certainly way longer than that.

Was a good 90 seconds at least before the first inkling that there was something amiss.

In the meantime the cast of that overrated film must have felt like right ejits making a speech for two and a half minutes before they ere told it was "Moonlight" and not them tat had won.

johnny_ultimate

AMKC wrote: »

I have not seen that overrated film and have no intention to ever see it.

This is a bizarre statement to me - you're calling a film you've never seen overrated?

I am delighted Moonlight won and think it was the best choice from what I've seen (and the best best picture in an age) but in a weird way think it could be for the best for La La Land. Now the backlash - IMO far from deserved in the first place - will be more moderate, and now can hopefully be appreciated as the wonderfully directed, endearingly bittersweet gem it is.

As an aside: Jordan Horowitz is a champ.

tinpib

AMKC wrote: »

must have felt like right ejits making a speech for two and a half minutes before they ere told it was "Moonlight" and not them tat had won.

That's what I can't understand. As soon as Faye said La La Land they knew a mistake was made. One, if not both, of the PwC yahoos should have legged it onto the stage and commandeered the microphone before the La La Land people reached it from their seats.

Were they prevented from running onto the stage by security? Almost certainly not, as they wait just off stage to hand out the envelopes.

I think they just stuck their head in the sand for 90 seconds/2 minutes hoping the situation would magically resolve itself even though they, as they were very fond of telling the press, were the only 2 people who knew the results and thus would be the only ones who would know something was wrong.

Theboinkmaster

Sad Professor wrote: »

PWC really should have been the ones to step in and announce the correct winner, which is what they claimed would have happened if that malicious rumour about Jack Palance reading out Marisa Tomei's name by mistake was true.

How come they never proved Tomei's Oscar by showing the card in the envelope afterwards, im sure she still has it?

They'll definitely get the boot after this, not so much for the mistake but the way it was handled - should have been straight onto that stage the minute the wrong name was called out.

Rothko

Patty O Furniture wrote: »

What a cock-up by Beatty

How?

Sad Professor

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

How come they never proved Tomei's Oscar by showing the card in the envelope afterwards, im sure she still has it?

No need, I guess. Most people didn't seriously believe the rumour, including probably those who started it.

JP Liz V1

Sad Professor wrote: »

PWC really should have been the ones to step in and announce the correct winner, which is what they claimed would have happened if that malicious rumour about Jack Palance reading out Marisa Tomei's name by mistake was true. The fact that they were so slow to respond will probably lose them their 83-year-old (!) contract with the Academy.

I feel bad for everyone involved. It was a stupid little mistake which snowballed. But I think the fact that Horowitz was the one to gracefully hand the award to the Moonlight guys probably worked out for the best. But certainly the ideal scenario would have been Beatty saying "Sorry, I've been given the wrong card". A mistake which will almost certainly never happen again.

And what was up with Denzel? Devastated at not winning or pissed at Affleck? Or a bit of both?

Is he not a fan of Casey?

sporina

Don't buy Casey Affleck as an actor - didn't like him in MBTS.. but like I said, I don't like him.. could not sympathize with his character much in the movie

Have yet to watch fences

snowflaker

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pwc-partner-in-charge-of-oscar-winner-envelopes-was-tweeting-backstage-minutes-before-best-picture-mix-up-1488227883

OU812

Lowest viewing figures in 10 years

Oscar Audiences Since 2000

2017 — 32.9 million viewers
2016 — 34.3 million viewers
2015 — 37.3 million viewers
2014 — 43.7 million viewers
2013 — 40.4 million viewers
2012 — 39.5 million viewers
2011 — 37.9 million viewers
2010 — 41.6 million viewers

2009 — 36.9 million viewers
2008 — 31.8 million viewers (low)

2007 — 39.9 million viewers
2006 — 38.6 million viewers
2005 — 42.2 million viewers
2004 — 43.6 million viewers

2003 — 33.0 million viewers
2002 — 40.5 million viewers
2001 — 42.9 million viewers
2000 — 46.5 million viewers (high)

expectationlost

snowflaker wrote: »

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pwc-partner-in-charge-of-oscar-winner-envelopes-was-tweeting-backstage-minutes-before-best-picture-mix-up-1488227883

why delete it https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OS3GDNVvzyUJ:https://twitter.com/briancullinan_/status/836079859289903104+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

4068ac1elhodqr

Some folks are saying La De Da Land won the popular vote, and that there should be a weighted average recount of the votes. #NotMyOscars

Sad Professor

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is he not a fan of Casey?

I don't know if he is or not. I suppose people will read into it, but I think Washington was just sad about losing and forgot to applaud.

expectationlost wrote: »

why delete it https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:OS3GDNVvzyUJ:https://twitter.com/briancullinan_/status/836079859289903104+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie

Makes it look, as the article was implying, that he was goofing off.

BorneTobyWilde

Can someone explain that to me.

How did he read LA LA LAND if Moonlight was on card ?

BunkMoreland

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Can someone explain that to me.

How did he read LA LA LAND if Moonlight was on card ?

Given the wrong card

BorneTobyWilde

BunkMoreland wrote: »

Given the wrong card

Why would that card even exist ?

BorneTobyWilde

BunkMoreland wrote: »

Given the wrong card

And if gave wrong card ,then how come it said moonlight on it when he grabbed it off of Warren ?