TUF 24 Finale: Johnson v Elliott

Paully D

Date: Saturday 3rd December
Times: Fight Pass Prelims (12am, Fight Pass), Prelims (1am, Fight Pass & BT Sport), Main Card (3am, BT Sport)
Venue: Las Vegas, Nevada
Odds: Johnson (1/10) v Elliott (8/1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4gJ2p27jYk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOiywlFz4xo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVOsiriuX0

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Main event just on BT or will it be on Fightpass too?

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Looking forward to watching my boy Ryan Hall rip Maynard's leg off.

Paully D

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Main event just on BT or will it be on Fightpass too?

BT Sport only. There won't be a main card live on Fight Pass in this region for a long time.

Zero-Cool

Johnson via Submission

Would love to see Timmy win but I only see MM out classing him and the ref stepping in to stop the madness.

Very interested to see how Hall gets on.

tinpib

First fight up, looks like it's been fought behind closed doors. Crowd made up of immediate family, coaches and ring girls only.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

tinpib wrote: »

First fight up, looks like it's been fought behind closed doors. Crowd made up of immediate family, coaches and ring girls only.

People just don't bother showing up for early prelims. Especially obvious in small venues.

Mean Laqueefa

yer mans clarkes da is full on Shannon briggs. Lets go champ

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Looking forward to Ion Cutelaba fighting tonight. Thought his last fight was super entertaining.

tinpib

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

People just don't bother showing up for early prelims. Especially obvious in small venues.

Ya I know. Looks so bad though.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

tinpib wrote: »

Ya I know. Looks so bad though.

Reminds me of the local GAA hall events atmosphere wise.

Mean Laqueefa

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Reminds me of the local GAA hall events atmosphere wise.

kinda cool if you are there tho no ? makes **** real when you hear that thump or whatever. Only thing i ever liked on tuf was hearing a clean punch or leg kick and no commentary

Paully D

Mighty Mouse deserves better than this.

Gamebred

Paully D wrote: »

Mighty Mouse deserves better than this.

Why?


Not getting into a financial discussion but hes on this garbage card due to the fact nobody knows him or cares about him hes too much of a financial risk to put on a big card, doesnt promote himself in anyway from what I can see, incredible fighter that nobody in America would know if he walked by them its crazy.

Mean Laqueefa

Gamebred wrote: »

Why?


Not getting into a financial discussion but hes on this garbage card due to the fact nobody knows him or cares about him hes too much of a financial risk to put on a big card, doesnt promote himself in anyway from what I can see, incredible fighter that nobody in America would know if he walked by them its crazy.

i always think that since the reebok ****e DJ has been let down, that must have been a sponsor with some legit outlets and cash.

Xbox plastered over your shorts and move like video game character.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Gamebred wrote: »

Why?


Not getting into a financial discussion but hes on this garbage card due to the fact nobody knows him or cares about him hes too much of a financial risk to put on a big card, doesnt promote himself in anyway from what I can see, incredible fighter that nobody in America would know if he walked by them its crazy.

Maybe the company who just spent $4billion on a product should be the ones who promote the product and the best features of the product instead of paying fighters ****e money and then expecting them to do the promotion as well?


Just a though...

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

My baby Kailin is gonna mess this newbie up.

Gamebred

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Maybe the company who just spent $4billion on a product should be the ones who promote the product and the best features of the product instead of paying fighters ****e money and then expecting them to do the promotion as well?


Just a though...

You either have it or you dont, the UFC are incredible pr machine and have been for years if they couldnt promote him by now there is no chance for him they can only push you so far if you wanna earn money you gotta be willing to do some of your own promotion, a closed mouth dont get fed anyways it will ramble on this is his level free tv fights wont headline a ppv I wouldnt say in a while nobody for him to fight.

tinpib

Oooh, Jesus, that's a nasty cut. She's very gutsy, that lassie.

Mellor

Johnson via Decision

Hope Ryan Hall pulls off something special tonight

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Mellor wrote: »

Hope Ryan Hall pulls off something special tonight

Imanari roll entry to a heel hook in 5 seconds.

Mean Laqueefa

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Imanari roll entry to a heel hook in 5 seconds.

tempted man tempted

Paully D

Nice ninja delete, Marcos! :pac:

I've almost been burnt by the "other" Stun Gun too. :P

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Paully D wrote: »

Nice ninja delete, Marcos! :pac:

I've almost been burnt by the "other" Stun Gun too. :P

I don't know what you mean...




Saw the card, thought "wow, stun gun is a huge LW" then saw the record and was like "Stun gun aint lost no 8 fights!".

Paully D

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I don't know what you mean...



Saw the card, thought "wow, stun gun is a huge LW" then saw the record and was like "Stun gun aint lost no 8 fights!".

I was about to place a large bet on him previously only to realise at the last second. Thank Christ as he lost! :pac:

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Rob Font, you beast.

Mellor

Johnson via Decision

Can't help but be reminded of the fight Ryan lost on TUF.
The gameplay for Maynard to beat him is right there.



I've bet on Ryan in rd1, but second guessing it now

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

I have faith in Ryan "The Wizard, Blinky McHeel Hook" Hall.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Jesus, he nearly did it

Mean Laqueefa

Mellor wrote: »

Can't help but be reminded of the fight Ryan lost on TUF.
The gameplay for Maynard to beat him is right there.



I've bet on Ryan in rd1, but second guessing it now

shut up you are making me worry

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

10-9 Blinky McWizpants.

Mean Laqueefa

ahhh ****e

Axwell

Johnson via Submission

Stann saying Maynard is being patient trying to frustrate Hall, only one I see frustrated is Maynard every time Hall drops to the ground. Hoping he locks in something sweet in the next round.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

20-18 Hall and the mouth breathers are booing.

Mean Laqueefa

it looks so ****ed up but you know

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

30-27 Hall, not a great fight but that's more to do with Maynard backing away from everything and refusing to engage than anything else.

Gamebred

Relying on that iminari roll way too much needs an awful lot of work nobody is getting caught in them in mid to high level mma, nice hook kicks all the same.

qwabercd

Johnson via Submission

Even though hall is obviously very tricky Maynard's offence wasn't good enough. God knows why he didn't at least risk the ground and pound at the end, especially when there was only 15 seconds left it was his only hope.

Not a particularly gruelling fight but Hall didn't seem the slightest bit out of breathe in the post fight interview.

Mellor

Johnson via Decision

Ryan's doesn't integrate his striking well enough with his jiu jitsu. Don't get me wrong, it was effective. The threat of the takedown/imanari roll kept Gray at range and allowed Ryan to land some front kicks and hook kicks (that were light enough). But there's a very clear switch between striking and shooting modes. Which telegraphs his rolls a lot. Contrast that with Maia who integrates his BJJ into striking exchanges seamlessly.

Also, faking the knockdown, to bait his opponent into coming into his range will go against him in the long run imo as judges will credit his opponent for it. But, hats off to Ryan, he won tonight. Fair and square against a veteran. He out-struck him over 2 if not 3 rounds.

Subcomandante Marcos

Johnson via Submission

Mellor wrote: »

Ryan's doesn't integrate his striking well enough with his jiu jitsu. Don't get me wrong, it was effective. The threat of the takedown/imanari roll kept Gray at range and allowed Ryan to land some front kicks and hook kicks (that were light enough). But there's a very clear switch between striking and shooting modes. Which telegraphs his rolls a lot. Contrast that with Maia who integrates his BJJ into striking exchanges seamlessly.

Also, faking the knockdown, to bait his opponent into coming into his range will go against him in the long run imo as judges will credit his opponent for it. But, hats off to Ryan, he won tonight. Fair and square against a veteran. He out-struck him over 2 if not 3 rounds.

He out struck him over all 3 rounds according to the statistics. I think he easily won all 3 rounds.


He needs to incorporate some single leg take downs into his game like Maia, or just learn how to hide his leg entanglement entries better.

I don't ever see him winning a title at 145, but he's a very interesting problem for a lot of fighters.

Mellor

Johnson via Decision

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

He out struck him over all 3 rounds according to the statistics. I think he easily won all 3 rounds.


He needs to incorporate some single leg take downs into his game like Maia, or just learn how to hide his leg entanglement entries better.

I don't ever see him winning a title at 145, but he's a very interesting problem for a lot of fighters.

I heard them mention that at the end. But still felt he may might not have got the first on the judges cards.
Number of strikes isn't strictly a judging criteria. He spent a bit of the round on the back foot, which went against him with one judge.

I think he just needs to set up the rolls with striking combos. They were all shot from range in isolation. Maia-esque singles would be great for him too.

I konw Mighty Mouse is amazing but I just can't see a 125 guy as the best P4P, I know its a controversial opinion to some but for me the 125 pound weight division just doesn't much flare. In saying that I am still staying up to watch him fight haha

martyos121

Johnson via Decision

Deleted User wrote: »

I konw Mighty Mouse is amazing but I just can't see a 125 guy as the best P4P, I know its a controversial opinion to some but for me the 125 pound weight division just doesn't much flare. In saying that I am still staying up to watch him fight haha

I'd be more inclined to rank him as #1 P4P but I see where you're coming from. That's why a superfight with Cruz is so important, if he can avenge that loss I imagine he'll win over a lot more fans and cement his spot as the best in the world. Can't wait to see him at work again later.

Paully D

Well, that was strange. :eek:

Paully D

Utterly ridiculous decision from Lavigne to dock Cejudo a point for that. Such a crucial decision in a 3 round fight especially.

Disgraceful.

martyos121

Johnson via Decision

I have that scored as a draw but Benavidez might nick it too.

John_D80

Johnson via Decision

That's terrible judging.

John_D80

Johnson via Decision

Literally no buzz at all in that arena by the sound of it.

John_D80

Johnson via Decision

Eh did Tim Elliot just win that round??? WTF??

martyos121

Johnson via Decision

Elliot certainly wasn't the tomato can he was made out to be, but just outclassed for four rounds after the good one he had. Still don't think there will ever be a man at 125 that can beat DJ, he has to move up once he beats Silva's record.

John_D80

Johnson via Decision

What was with the 49-45??

Did one of the judges score a round 9-9 or something??

Edit: Just realised. Obviously a 10-8 in there for DJ!! 9-9's not possible under this scoring system!! Brain tired.