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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,727 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    demfad wrote: »
    I'm getting sick of this and I wont be tolerating it again. Please improve the quality of your posting with reason and/or substantiation. As the OP I have an interest in making this an informative thread. And I will do so. These are historical times.

    If you have a problem with a post, report it. No more backseat modding.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Gatling wrote: »
    That's original but a false statement,
    For some it began in Georgia ,then Ukraine , then Syria and likely the south China sea and Korea next

    How would American involvement in the South China Sea and Korea cause russopobia?


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    How would American involvement in the South China Sea and Korea cause russopobia?

    Where was america mentioned in the post ,
    Ask why russia would have an issue with south Korea deploying air defence missles in south Korea exactly


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Gatling wrote: »
    Where was america mentioned in the post ,
    Ask why russia would have an issue with south Korea deploying air defence missles in south Korea exactly

    I said that the US hatred of Russia can be traced back to Russia thwarting the destruction of Syria.

    You are the one who mentioned the South China Sea and Korea. I'm still not sure what you meant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Russia interfered in Syria and it was then that the real hatred of the Russians - virulent russopobia - began.


    Again there is no Russophobia or Russophiles it's nonsense to give supports of russia to putin and band of gangsters an excuse to carry out their foreign policy in Ukraine ,the Baltics and further afield , it's a fairly common tactic used across several fora


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,257 ✭✭✭Yourself isit


    Gatling wrote: »
    Again there is no Russophobia or Russophiles it's nonsense to give supports of russia to putin and band of gangsters an excuse to carry out their foreign policy in Ukraine ,the Baltics and further afield , it's a fairly common tactic used across several fora

    I'm still unsure why you mentioned south Korea or the south China Sea. Except perhaps to American hegemonists anytime the US is thwarted anywhere it's bad news. Both should be left to local powers.

    The Russian involvement in the Ukraine (about which I can see either side) and Georgia ( which attacked Russia) is of little concern compared to American imperialism across the world. It's basically local stuff.

    This contrasts with the US empire's involvement in all of these spaces and more importantly its bloody destruction of the middle east, which is yet to culminate with the final aim - the destruction of Iran.

    Obama hampered this, and wasn't as militaristic as the war party wanted on Syria. They've been waiting for 8 years and the preferred candidate of the military industrial complex hasn't been elected, therefore the anger with Russia.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    demfad wrote: »
    This link points to the first major wikileak dump being two days before the first presidential debate, displaying the strategic nature of the dumps to inflict massive damage on Clinton and help Trump.
    It never been secret that it was Assange's personal vendetta against Obama. I don#t see any reason for him to release Podesta emails in time which would suit Clinton

    demfad wrote: »
    Can you provide another example in US history where there was 5 investigations for collaboration with an enemy State into a US president?
    Do you remember any other candidate in US history who managed to get into White House with so low chances to win?
    https://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/status/795663593689808896?lang=en
    demfad wrote: »
    Can you provide an example of how and why senate intelligence comittee investigatiosn get dropped? Are you saying there is no evidence?
    Whole evidence about hacking is based on report from private company and DNC denied FBI access to hacked servers.
    Comey: DNC denied FBI's requests for access to hacked servers
    Hardly report from private company and allegedly intercepted calls that Trump would be better choice for Russia can be considered as serious evidence.
    BTW
    CIA documents claim Russian soldiers were ‘turned to stone’ after shoot-out with ALIENS in Siberia

    demfad wrote: »
    There is some truth in that. But the media campaign was dominated by the Clinton emails.
    Are you saying that her private server is also Putin's fault?
    You know yourself that it was her lies about server, about her health and that nobody else had access to classified information put her down, not Putin
    demfad wrote: »
    The use of Fake news and disinformation was massively used to benefit Trump as most of it was staged and amplified through Camridge Analytica or Russian architecture:

    https://www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/viral-fake-election-news-outperformed-real-news-on-facebook?utm_term=.ocOOnkRr9#.pad0a25KN
    zlspwn.jpg
    Say thanks to media bias against Trump, which forced people to believe to everything but Clinton
    Effectively MSM committed suicide during their attempt to bring HRC into White House
    Blatant bias against Trump may hasten the end of mainstream media

    Why nobody taken seriously fake news from Slate and Clinton about secret Trump server?
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/793234169576947712
    demfad wrote: »
    I would actually gave Hillary Clinton break there. She suffered under a massive smear campaign.
    At least she had nearly all MSM on her side, who tried to downplay all negative information and turn all bias against Trump
    Do you remember this famous CNN statement

    demfad wrote: »
    Yep - every liberal loser now will blame Putin to distract attention from his own faults


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    The attempts to link Putin to the election result are tenuous at best.

    Aw hah
    The alt-right are simply ordinary, law abiding, working class Americans who are fed up seeing people from every corner of the world jumping the queue ahead of them.

    You mean poor conservatives....Most conservatives are poor. And this applies in Ireland too. And they are poor because they are stupid. Because conservatism has a culture of stupidity being a good thing. The poorest states in America are the most conservative, and they have the lowest performing school children. They're on the Down's Syndrome spectrum and proud of it.


    They want their country back.

    What is it with conservatives always believing the country is "theirs"?

    The "ordinary" people.

    The "normal" people.

    The white trash Brexit voting thickos, who'll look everywhere for the cause of their sorrows, except in the mirror.

    No one is jumping them in the queue....they're just too slow.
    Besides, Putin is a stand up guy. This could be the beginning of a beautiful friendship.

    A beautiful friendship between Putin and Trump's wife, while he watches. The Alt-right have a word for that don't they.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    You mean poor conservatives....Most conservatives are poor. And this applies in Ireland too. And they are poor because they are stupid. Because conservatism has a culture of stupidity being a good thing. The poorest states in America are the most conservative, and they have the lowest performing school children. They're on the Down's Syndrome spectrum and proud of it.
    So according to your theory the unemployed(who are subset of poor and represent extreme case of powerty) are unemployed because they are stupid.
    lets make assumption that stupid people will always vote Democrats and check it with maps
    i27f4j.png
    20161109_trumpmap.jpg
    Bingo - maps mostly match, factcheck that "stupid people will always vote liberals" is correct
    Another discovery is that red states have lowest unemployment, which means that it was hard workers who voted Trump

    PS - this post is not about unemployed, but against liberals, who think that only them can twist facts


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    So according to your theory the unemployed(who are subset of poor and represent extreme case of powerty) are unemployed because they are stupid.
    lets make assumption that stupid people will always vote Democrats and check it with maps
    i27f4j.png
    20161109_trumpmap.jpg
    Bingo - maps mostly match, factcheck that "stupid people will always vote liberals" is correct
    Another discovery is that red states have lowest unemployment, which means that it was hard workers who voted Trump

    PS - this post is not about unemployed, but against liberals, who think that only them can twist facts

    Would you mind defining 'landslide' in the context of your post, please?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    So according to your theory the unemployed(who are subset of poor and represent extreme case of powerty) are unemployed because they are stupid.
    lets make assumption that stupid people will always vote Democrats and check it with maps
    i27f4j.png
    20161109_trumpmap.jpg
    Bingo - maps mostly match, factcheck that "stupid people will always vote liberals" is correct
    Another discovery is that red states have lowest unemployment, which means that it was hard workers who voted Trump

    PS - this post is not about unemployed, but against liberals, who think that only them can twist facts

    Cross referencing my map with your map kind of proves my point.

    income_map.gif?format=750w


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,936 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine




  • Registered Users Posts: 14,371 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty



    Billionaire rich kid failed businessman The Donald Trump feels their pain.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    Would you mind defining 'landslide' in the context of your post, please?
    There is something wrong with your browser settings if you cannot see a full picture
    Cross referencing my map with your map kind of proves my point.

    income_map.gif?format=750w
    Not really
    clinton-only-secured-a-majority-of-votes-for-people-with-2015-family-incomes-under-50000--which-made-up-36-of-the-voters-in-the-exit-polls.jpg
    7 charts show who propelled Trump to victory
    Majority of smartwealthy people voted Trump and majority of stupidpoor people voted Clinton


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    Majority of smartwealthy people voted Trump and majority of stupidpoor people voted Clinton

    Now you're trying to twist the argument.

    The geographic areas where there are the most conservatives, are the thickest and poorest parts.

    If the blue states did become infested with conservatism, the result would be poverty and ignorance. As it stands Liberals have to subsidise the loser states.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    Now you're trying to twist the argument.

    The geographic areas where there are the most conservatives, are the thickest and poorest parts.
    First, small median income with low unemployment rate usually means smaller income inequality and if you will check with GINI index map, you will see that most of red states have low GINI coefficient
    Fig1_income.gif
    Second, the blue states have higher unemployment, which liberals prefer to ignore in order to fill superior to conservatives
    Third, if you will include living cost and especially rent/mortgage to equation, you can find that most people in red states would be much better on slightly lower salary
    If the blue states did become infested with conservatism, the result would be poverty and ignorance.
    How it explains that most cases of extreme poverty such unemployment and ghettos exist mostly in blue states?

    As it stands Liberals have to subsidise the loser states.
    Not really - the most insolvent states are blue states
    Map-Table-6-large.jpg
    The only thing what liberals can do well is to live on borrowed money like it was during Obama, who doubled US debt in 8 years


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    It never been secret that it was Assange's personal vendetta against Obama. I don#t see any reason for him to release Podesta emails in time which would suit Clinton

    So he timed his dumps to strategically hurt Clinton not becuase he wanted her to lose/Trump to win...but because he wanted to hurt Obama?


    Do you remember any other candidate in US history who managed to get into White House with so low chances to win?
    https://twitter.com/huffingtonpost/status/795663593689808896?lang=en

    That was after the 'Pussy grab' comment and at that point in time that was a pretty accurate forecast. Until the re-opening of the investigation via Wienar laptop he had no chance. Interestingly, Nikutin, a Russian hacker was picked up in Prague by the FBI. It looks like the charges might relate to the hacking Anthony Weiner's laptop. opps ;-)
    Whole evidence about hacking is based on report ......

    Lets get serious. There is a mountain of evidence in the hands of US intelligence and European Intelligence on Trump/Russia connections. In the last two weeks there has been more: an investigation into NSA director Flynn (fired) into communicating with Russian diplomat to under mine sanctions.
    There has also been a meeting between Trump lawyer Cohen, old mobster pal of Trump Felix Sater, and a Ukrainian politician to sort out a peace deal for Ukraine. The Ukrainian and Sater both said that other meetings were held last year. The Ukrainian is being investigated for treason back home now. Thats two new serious connections in last two weeks.

    Are you saying that her private server is also Putin's fault?
    You know yourself that it was her lies about server, about her health and that nobody else had access to classified information put her down, not Putin

    The private server was her own choice. Many in the whitehouse are now using private devices. The president himself uses a private Android phone.
    Don't know if she lied about that. She wasnt charged with anything.

    Say thanks to media bias against Trump, which forced people to believe to everything but Clinton. Effectively MSM committed suicide during their attempt to bring HRC into White House

    Most of the MSM time was taken with investigating clean enails dumped from wikileaks. There was more mention of Hillary being crooked than Donald Trump by MSM even though Trump is associated with hundreds of mobsters and criminals.

    Why nobody taken seriously fake news from Slate and Clinton about secret Trump server?

    Not fake news. There is a FISA FBI investigation into this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html


    At least she had nearly all MSM on her side, who tried to downplay all negative information and turn all bias against Trump

    That is patently false. Most coverage was on the Podesta emails and the Wienar emails which produced zero against her.


    Yep - every liberal loser now will blame Putin to distract attention from his own faults

    Whatever.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    Now you're trying to twist the argument.

    The geographic areas where there are the most conservatives, are the thickest and poorest parts.

    If the blue states did become infested with conservatism, the result would be poverty and ignorance. As it stands Liberals have to subsidise the loser states.

    The states that voted Trump Ohio and Pennsylvania are the dirt poor states while New York and California are home to the wealthy cities of America. The rich voted for Clinton more than they did Trump.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    demfad wrote: »
    So he timed his dumps to strategically hurt Clinton not becuase he wanted her to lose/Trump to win...but because he wanted to hurt Obama?
    Do you have better plan for Assange?
    At least now Obama legacy nearly gone and Democrats become laughing stock
    demfad wrote: »
    That was after the 'Pussy grab' comment and at that point in time that was a pretty accurate forecast.
    Actually this tweet is from 7 of November.....
    demfad wrote: »
    Until the re-opening of the investigation via Wienar laptop he had no chance. Interestingly, Nikutin, a Russian hacker was picked up in Prague by the FBI. It looks like the charges might relate to the hacking Anthony Weiner's laptop. opps ;-)
    Looks like another CT theory from sore losers,
    Nikitin have been arrested week before FBI discovered classified emails on Huma Abedin's Estranged Husband laptop.

    demfad wrote: »
    Lets get serious. There is a mountain of evidence in the hands of US intelligence and European Intelligence on Trump/Russia connections.
    Seriously?
    Everybody had a good laugh from MI-5 report based purely on rumours. If it would be anything serious, it would already leak
    demfad wrote: »
    In the last two weeks there has been more: an investigation into NSA director Flynn (fired) into communicating with Russian diplomat to under mine sanctions.
    Only according to #fakenews. In reality Flynn only asked Russian ambassador do not expel US diplomats in revenge
    demfad wrote: »
    There has also been a meeting between Trump lawyer Cohen, old mobster pal of Trump Felix Sater, and a Ukrainian politician to sort out a peace deal for Ukraine. The Ukrainian and Sater both said that other meetings were held last year. The Ukrainian is being investigated for treason back home now.
    Instead he should be checked by doctor after claiming that Crimea have been sold to USA in 1920
    demfad wrote: »
    The private server was her own choice. Many in the whitehouse are now using private devices. The president himself uses a private Android phone.
    Don't know if she lied about that. She wasnt charged with anything.
    FBI Interview Catches Hillary Clinton In Multiple Lies
    demfad wrote: »
    Most of the MSM time was taken with investigating clean enails dumped from wikileaks.
    Even HuffPo admitted that media was biased against Trump
    demfad wrote: »
    There was more mention of Hillary being crooked than Donald Trump by MSM even though Trump is associated with hundreds of mobsters and criminals.
    At least he wasn't selling his country left and right like Hillary did it for donations into Clinton Foundation when she was secretary of state
    Big guns to Middle East, Uranium to Russia etc

    demfad wrote: »
    Not fake news.
    yes, it is fake news
    demfad wrote: »
    Investigation means nothing
    Only results of investigation are worst of discussion
    demfad wrote: »
    That is patently false. Most coverage was on the Podesta emails and the Wienar emails which produced zero against her.
    It produced enough evidence about rigging elections
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,363 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    demfad wrote: »
    So he timed his dumps to strategically hurt Clinton not becuase he wanted her to lose/Trump to win...but because he wanted to hurt Obama?





    That was after the 'Pussy grab' comment and at that point in time that was a pretty accurate forecast. Until the re-opening of the investigation via Wienar laptop he had no chance. Interestingly, Nikutin, a Russian hacker was picked up in Prague by the FBI. It looks like the charges might relate to the hacking Anthony Weiner's laptop. opps ;-)



    Lets get serious. There is a mountain of evidence in the hands of US intelligence and European Intelligence on Trump/Russia connections. In the last two weeks there has been more: an investigation into NSA director Flynn (fired) into communicating with Russian diplomat to under mine sanctions.
    There has also been a meeting between Trump lawyer Cohen, old mobster pal of Trump Felix Sater, and a Ukrainian politician to sort out a peace deal for Ukraine. The Ukrainian and Sater both said that other meetings were held last year. The Ukrainian is being investigated for treason back home now. Thats two new serious connections in last two weeks.




    The private server was her own choice. Many in the whitehouse are now using private devices. The president himself uses a private Android phone.
    Don't know if she lied about that. She wasnt charged with anything.




    Most of the MSM time was taken with investigating clean enails dumped from wikileaks. There was more mention of Hillary being crooked than Donald Trump by MSM even though Trump is associated with hundreds of mobsters and criminals.




    Not fake news. There is a FISA FBI investigation into this.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html





    That is patently false. Most coverage was on the Podesta emails and the Wienar emails which produced zero against her.





    Whatever.

    All treason offenses in the history of mankind are politically motivated. Someone in office always has an axe to grind and usually some poor sod is made to take the rap.

    Nowadays treason is part of National Security or offenses against the state act under terrorism charges. Plots to launch attacks within a country. These would be the modern traitors those who are complicit in these actions.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    Do you have better plan for Assange?
    At least now Obama legacy nearly gone and Democrats become laughing stock

    Wikileaks sings the same tune as the Kremlin, Trump, Breitbart etc.
    It is the Republicans and Vladimir Putin who will be destroyed by this once Trump is impeached and tried.


    <SNIP>
    Looks like another CT theory from sore losers,
    Nikitin have been arrested week before FBI discovered classified emails on Huma Abedin's Estranged Husband laptop.

    No. Sexting story broke on September 21st, Kitulin was arrested by the FBI in Prague on his way for payment on October 5th. Emails were already placed on server by 21st September. Wonder what he has already told the FBI?
    Seriously?
    Everybody had a good laugh from MI-5 report based purely on rumours. If it would be anything serious, it would already leak

    Youre wasting our time. The dossier was unverified not unverifiable. The IC took it seriously enough to show a Summary to Obama. They had to show it to Trump for the case ahead.
    The IC are working through it. Some aspects of it have already been verified by leak.

    Only according to #fakenews. In reality Flynn only asked Russian ambassador do not expel US diplomats in revenge

    Have you seen the telephone transcripts? If a private American citizen liased with a hostile foreign Govt to undermine whitehouse sanctions in place for hostile actions against the USA then at best that id breaking the Logan Act, at worst it is treason. Flynn was also caught lying to the FBI. He is singing right now.

    At least he wasn't selling his country left and right like Hillary did it for donations into Clinton Foundation when she was secretary of state
    Big guns to Middle East, Uranium to Russia etc

    All that was based on propaganda from the Mercer/Bannon backed 'Clinton cash' book/documentary.



    The alpha/Trump server exchange was alerted to authorities by the forefront expert in DNS logging. They know human exchange patterns when they see it and they know automated patterns.

    For a FISA warrant (which allows a wiretap) you need probable cause for the judge to grant it. They got it and that means that the transactions between teh servers have been recorded. Not good for Trump eh?

    It produced enough evidence about rigging elections
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1120
    [/QUOTE]

    What exactly am i supposed to be looking for here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    demfad wrote: »
    Wikileaks sings the same tune as the Kremlin, Trump, Breitbart etc.
    and another 200 sties, which WaPo declared as Russian agents like it was during old good times when Senator McCarthy was alive

    <SNIP>

    He won mostly because very few people outside of big cities didn't trust to liberal fakenews
    Actually every dictator would dream to make such statement
    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/790179415049302016
    demfad wrote: »
    No. Sexting story broke on September 21st, Kitulin was arrested by the FBI in Prague on his way for payment on October 5th. Emails were already placed on server by 21st September. Wonder what he has already told the FBI?
    Are you saying that Comey was hiding information that emails have been placed on Weiner's laptop by Russian hackers, who stole them from Hillary, in order to protect Hillary from charges that classified emails leaked to Russia?
    demfad wrote: »
    Youre wasting our time. The dossier was unverified not unverifiable. The IC took it seriously enough to show a Summary to Obama. They had to show it to Trump for the case ahead.
    The IC are working through it. Some aspects of it have already been verified by leak.
    The only aspects checked that some Russian officials didn't see any disaster if Trump will be elected. Are you saying that primary goal of any US elections is to annoy Putin?
    demfad wrote: »
    Have you seen the telephone transcripts? If a private American citizen liased with a hostile foreign Govt to undermine whitehouse sanctions in place for hostile actions against the USA then at best that id breaking the Logan Act, at worst it is treason. Flynn was also caught lying to the FBI. He is singing right now.
    FBI have seen and FBI found no wrongdoing in Flynn’s calls with Russia: report
    demfad wrote: »
    All that was based on propaganda from the Mercer/Bannon backed 'Clinton cash' book/documentary.
    Are you saying that Clinton didn't take money and didn't approve deals with Gulf tyrannies, which donated millions to the Clinton Foundation?
    And Uranium deal is pure Breitbart invention?
    demfad wrote: »
    The alpha/Trump server exchange was alerted to authorities by the forefront expert in DNS logging. They know human exchange patterns when they see it and they know automated patterns.
    For a FISA warrant (which allows a wiretap) you need probable cause for the judge to grant it. They got it and that means that the transactions between teh servers have been recorded. Not good for Trump eh?
    According to fakenews everything must be bad for Trump, but so far I can see only crying sore losers and Trump in White House
    demfad wrote: »
    What exactly am i supposed to be looking for here?
    Plan how to make Trump main opponent for Hillary and then win with massive propaganda campaign by #fakenews
    if you don't want to read attachment yourself, there is the article where everything is explained


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    and another 200 sties, which WaPo declared as Russian agents like it was during old good times when Senator McCarthy was alive.

    Deflecting. Breitbart/Kremlin/Wikileaks/WH all following the same script. McCargtyism is actually one at the moment for people asking legit questions about ties to Russia that Trump does not answer.
    Are you saying that Comey was hiding information that emails have been placed on Weiner's laptop by Russian hackers, who stole them from Hillary, in order to protect Hillary from charges that classified emails leaked to Russia?

    No, your saying that. I am saying that the emails were placed on that laptop/phone by Russian hackers in order for an investigation to be opened up on Clinton again which would hand the election to Trump.

    The only aspects checked that some Russian officials didn't see any disaster if Trump will be elected. Are you saying that primary goal of any US elections is to annoy Putin?

    The aspects verified are ALL Russian on Russian conversations. These are about interfering in the election to help Trump.

    The FBI would not report on that Either way. A Whitehosue official may have said that but that amounts to zero.
    Are you saying that Clinton didn't take money and didn't approve deals with Gulf tyrannies, which donated millions to the Clinton Foundation?
    And Uranium deal is pure Breitbart invention?

    It was engineered by Steve Bannon who has openly admitted that he uses propaganda to advance his causes. Wonder where he was getting some of his intel though? ;-)
    According to fakenews everything must be bad for Trump, but so far I can see only crying sore losers and Trump in White House

    Well we have Sessions now caught lying under oath about contacts with Chief Russian spy and spy recruiter Sergey Kislyak. Any comment?
    Plan how to make Trump main opponent for Hillary and then win with massive propaganda campaign by #fakenews

    Yes in a big field you pitch the candidates against each other. With every candidate you try to undermine their message as well as promote your one. Thats not propagating fake news. She didn't realise how deep in with Russians TRump was.

    When this blows open will you guys be moving off western sites?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,416 ✭✭✭Count Dooku


    demfad wrote: »
    Deflecting.
    No
    demfad wrote: »
    Breitbart/Kremlin/Wikileaks/WH all following the same script.
    Like another 200 sites declared by WaPo as Russian agents
    demfad wrote: »
    McCargtyism is actually one at the moment for people asking legit questions about ties to Russia that Trump does not answer.
    The Left’s great Russian conspiracy theory
    demfad wrote: »
    No, your saying that. I am saying that the emails were placed on that laptop/phone by Russian hackers in order for an investigation to be opened up on Clinton again which would hand the election to Trump.
    Why Weiner didn't report that Russians placed classified Hillary's emails on his computer?
    demfad wrote: »
    The aspects verified are ALL Russian on Russian conversations. These are about interfering in the election to help Trump.
    And where is the evidences?
    demfad wrote: »
    The FBI would not report on that Either way. A Whitehosue official may have said that but that amounts to zero.
    It could be easily checked by calling Comey to committee
    demfad wrote: »
    It was engineered by Steve Bannon who has openly admitted that he uses propaganda to advance his causes. Wonder where he was getting some of his intel though? ;-)
    From US newspapers
    demfad wrote: »
    Well we have Sessions now caught lying under oath about contacts with Chief Russian spy and spy recruiter Sergey Kislyak. Any comment?
    Another lie from liberal fakenews. He said that he never discussed anything about Trump capmpaign, but met Kislyak as member committee
    demfad wrote: »
    Yes in a big field you pitch the candidates against each other. With every candidate you try to undermine their message as well as promote your one. Thats not propagating fake news. She didn't realise how deep in with Russians TRump was.
    She didn't realise she was worst candidate Democrats ever had and that people are tired from liberal lies.
    demfad wrote: »
    When this blows open will you guys be moving off western sites?
    Dream on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio



    Dream on

    It's utter desperation from the democrats. The bolded part was what he was asked.

    CSPAN Transcript:

    Franken: CNN just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week, that included information that “Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump.” These documents also allegedly say “there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government.” Again, I’m telling you this as it’s coming out, so you know. But if it’s true, it’s obviously extremely serious, and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the Trump campaign communicated with the Russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do?

    Sessions: Senator Franken, I’m not aware of any of those activities. I have been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign and I did not have communications with the Russians, and I’m unable to comment on it.

    The Post notes that Sessions was asked by Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) whether he had “been in contact with anyone connected to any part of the Russian government about the 2016 election, either before or after election day” (emphasis added). Sessions answered, simply, “no.” And there is no evidence in the Post nor elsewhere to cast doubt on that claim.

    For all the utter hysteria, liberal media hit jobs, democrats whaling and conspiracy theories, there is not one single word from a recorded phone call, a sentence from a email, a tie to a bank or whatever else suggesting anyone in Trump's administration were working with the Russians. Zero substance, just noise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,900 ✭✭✭InTheTrees


    there is not one single word from a recorded phone call, a sentence from a email, a tie to a bank or whatever else suggesting anyone in Trump's administration were working with the Russians. Zero substance, just noise.

    But nobody knows why sessions needed to meet the russian ambassador last september. The senate armed services committee wants to know. If it was a legal visit then why arent there notes? And why did Sessions lie?

    Thats the thing about leaks. Sessions can deny it, But he doesnt know what other information is available and may be leaked to prove he was lying.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    But nobody knows why sessions needed to meet the russian ambassador last september. The senate armed services committee wants to know. If it was a legal visit then why arent there notes? And why did Sessions lie?

    Thats the thing about leaks. Sessions can deny it, But he doesnt know what other information is available and may be leaked to prove he was lying.

    That's a fair line of questioning and those questions should be answered properly but I suspect there was no foul play. Although saying he lied is somewhat wrong imo, if you look at the full context of the transcript or the video of the hearing you can see the questions were implied talking about the dossier and the recent allegations at the time.

    For now I take it all in the same context as Flynn, the media narrative was that Flynn was involved in collusion and underhandedly talked to the Russian ambassador, they didn't mention as the incoming security adviser he had talked to multiple foreign Governments and imo he was just doing his job. If there was wrongdoing the FBI wouldn't have cleared him. When he was cleared that narrative went away and it was onto the next one. This time it's Sessions.

    IMO if there was anything damning in any of these cases transcripts would be released, but so far everything is all noise and the only reason there's been so much of it is because the Russian narrative has been pushed so hard by the Democrats and the media outlets working with them. Until there's actual hard evidence like a call transcript, or a email or whatever, anything showing any inkling of collusion, I see no reason to change my opinion. It's normal for Governments to talk with others, but because some of the contacts have been with Russia it's blown out of all proportion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭monstermag


    This whole "The Russian's made me do it" thing is off the wall. The Dems are digging a hole for themselves and it could be awhile before they crawl back out


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    That's a fair line of questioning and those questions should be answered properly but I suspect there was no foul play. Although saying he lied is somewhat wrong imo, if you look at the full context of the transcript or the video of the hearing you can see the questions were implied talking about the dossier and the recent allegations at the time.
    .

    He is the ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE USA. He knows it is not what you say you mean it is what you say. He was NOT asked any question about HIS contacts with Russia. He volunteered that himself.

    If it was genuinely a routine visit then he may get off jail time and claimed it was incompetence. But NO OTHER of the 26 members of his committee had met this man, wouldn't have a reason to. No-one from that committee EVER has reason to meet him. And this was in the HEIGHT of the scandal. Clearly it was relevant atleast for him to mention. He didn't. He lied.

    That is a felony. No-one is above the law. He should be tried and imprisoned.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,182 ✭✭✭demfad


    monstermag wrote: »
    This whole "The Russian's made me do it" thing is off the wall. The Dems are digging a hole for themselves and it could be awhile before they crawl back out

    Is that why Manafort, Page, Flynn and now Sessions are either gone or almost gone due to Russian connections? Trumps team seem to be falling into this hole that the Dems are digging.


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