Russian and alt-right Interference in democracies.

Count Dooku

Harika wrote: »

Wikileaks is an international non-profit organisation that publishes secret information, news leaks, and classified media from anonymous sources. Since a year, you cannot avoid the impression that they are actively making politics and trying especially to influence US politics.

Any reasons why Wikileaks should spare Democrats?
Every journalists is dreaming to become most powerful journalist in a world and Assange successfully achieved it.
Plus some revenge for Chelsea Manning, Snowden, hiding in Russia, Seth Rich killed by Clinton plus personal vendetta against those who locked Assange in Ecuadorian embassy

Harika wrote: »

According to their ethos they are neutral and release everything, but you wonder if they really do, and if there sources are not Russian intelligence agencies.

Even US government admitted that Vault 7 was internal leak

Security experts and government officials have suggested the source could range from state-backed actors to a CIA insider. One official speaking to Reuters anonymously suggested it was more likely to be contractors, because there were no signs Russia had tried use the information. The leaker, if it is an individual, is already being dubbed Snowden 2.0, in reference to similar surveillance revelations from NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden in 2013.

http://europe.newsweek.com/who-cia-vault-7-wikileaks-dump-russia-insider-contractor-565296

Harika wrote: »

There might be a reason why e.g. the Panama papers, even when only tidbits for Putin and his friends were found, were not forwarded to WL and instead given to credible news outlets.

FYI
OCCRP, used as main source to leak Panama Papers, exists mostly on US Department of State and Soros money
You can find yourself USAID and Open Society Institute as main sponsors on OCCRP webpage related to Panama Papers
https://www.occrp.org/en/panamapapers/

demfad

Kitsunegari wrote: »

I don't think they can definitely prove it and besides they aren't interfering anymore than the US and the CIA are. The Democrats are appalled that they got caught out thanks to Russians hacking the DNC server and Wikileaks releasing the information. Now everyone is panicking about cyber security and rightly so considering the impact the releases had on Clinton's election. These hackers wouldn't be an issue if the Democrats acted appropriately.

The hacking has been verified and accepted by everyone bar Russia and Wikileaks. Interference has been confirmed and is ongoing in many countries.

The emails produced exactly nothing to embarass Clinton. Wikileaks/Russia also hacked the RNC server but 'chose' not to release anything.

Congressional hearings start today.

Yourself isit

demfad wrote: »

The hacking has been verified and accepted by everyone bar Russia and Wikileaks. Interference has been confirmed and is ongoing in many countries.

It's been "verified" by the agencies trying to discredit Russia.

The emails produced exactly nothing to embarass Clinton. Wikileaks/Russia also hacked the RNC server but 'chose' not to release anything.

Congressional hearings start today.

Given that the emails produced nothing how was the election "hacked".

demfad

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Is there any evidence of this "interference"? Seems like propaganda to me

Have you any substantiation for your assertion that Russian interference in the US and other elections is propaganda?

demfad

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's been "verified" by the agencies trying to discredit Russia.

It has been verified by the GOP and indeed by the Trump administration. The intel has also been corroborated by mnay other International Intel agencies. The only people saying otherwise are Russia/Wikileaks.

Given that the emails produced nothing how was the election "hacked".

By exaggeration and fake news stories about the contents of emails, by tying the emails into Clinton's private email server (seperate issue) and trying to add to the 'Crooked Hillary' propaganda crafted over several years by Bannon/Mercer.
The emails were dumped before debates etc to give maximumu impact.
No data was released about Trump/RNC even though these servers were also hacked.
The main reason it succeeded was that it tied investigative journalists up and stopped them from investigating Trump financial/political connections to Russia and to China.
The Comey letter is also under investigation which was the knock out blow for Clinton.
A Russian hacker was arrested in Prague in relation to the hacking of Wieners laptop.

Harika

Count Dooku wrote: »

Any reasons why Wikileaks should spare Democrats?
Every journalists is dreaming to become most powerful journalist in a world and Assange successfully achieved it.
Plus some revenge for Chelsea Manning, Snowden, hiding in Russia, Seth Rich killed by Clinton plus personal vendetta against those who locked Assange in Ecuadorian embassy

Yeah I doubt that journalists dream of being powerful, as it makes people like Assange megalomaniac as he did no journalistic work, he only dumped the data on the public. If you want to see journalistic work in action, look at the Panamapapers, how it is done properly.
And WL shouldn't spare democrats or republicans or russians, where the bias is now very visible. Assange hoped to get out of the embassy with Trump so he picked Clinton to attack, so far he hasn't been paid back. But let's see what happens when the dust settles. The russians also had an interest in Trump over Clinton as he is clearly clueless what only helps Putin. So both had the same interest.

Count Dooku wrote: »

Even US government admitted that Vault 7 was internal leak

http://europe.newsweek.com/who-cia-vault-7-wikileaks-dump-russia-insider-contractor-565296

This made me thinking, if it is internal, where is the source? Like Manning and Snowden were found quite quickly and Snowden escaped the country as quickly as possible. So far, no sign of the leaker, what opens the door for all kinds of speculations.

demfad

Harika wrote: »

This made me thinking, if it is internal, where is the source? Like Manning and Snowden were found quite quickly and Snowden escaped the country as quickly as possible. So far, no sign of the leaker, what opens the door for all kinds of speculations.

Source reported to be contractors.

Harika

demfad wrote: »

Source reported to be contractors.

Yes but who, where and already in custody?

demfad

Harika wrote: »

Yes but who, where and already in custody?

Try a google.

Harika

demfad wrote: »

Try a google.

Weeks after it, no sign.

Also https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843772976151642112

I am not a native speaker but "James Clapper and others stated that there is no evidence Potus colluded with Russia. This story is FAKE NEWS and everyone knows it!" means for me, that he admits that he colluded with Russia?

demfad

Harika wrote: »

Weeks after it, no sign.

Also https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843772976151642112

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN16F2CZ?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

U.S. intelligence and law enforcement officials told Reuters on Wednesday they have been aware of a CIA security breach, which led to the latest Wikileaks dump since late last year.

The two officials said they were focusing on contractors as the likeliest source of the leak.

Harika

demfad wrote: »

The two officials said they were focusing on contractors as the likeliest source of the leak.

Yeah but who, names please! Contractors are as specific as "We tracked it down to possible a man or a woman". :pac:

demfad

Harika wrote: »

Yeah but who, names please! Contractors are as specific as "We tracked it down to possible a man or a woman". :pac:

I don't have any names: they are still investigating.

Count Dooku

demfad wrote: »

The main reason it succeeded was that it tied investigative journalists up and stopped them from investigating Trump financial/political connections to Russia and to China.

Are you joking?
Liberal #fakenews were doing everything to distract people's attention from Wikileaks revelations and move attention to Trump

Harika wrote: »

Yeah I doubt that journalists dream of being powerful, as it makes people like Assange megalomaniac as he did no journalistic work, he only dumped the data on the public.

This is what most of journalists do

Harika wrote: »

If you want to see journalistic work in action, look at the Panamapapers, how it is done properly.

Seriously?

Panamapapers was one of the biggest flops in history of investigative journalism despite all attempts of liberal #fakenews to present it as success. Leaving apart the fact that Soros couldn’t find any real independent news agency, which would do dirty job for him and had to do it through his joint venture with US Department of State, PanamaPapers failed to achieve anything and liberals simply didn't have other choice rather than blame Putin for leaking Panama papers
The not-completely-crazy theory that Russia leaked the Panama Papers
Are the Russians actually behind the Panama Papers?
Did Vladimir Putin And Russia Leak The Panama Papers?
Were the Panama Papers Planted? Who Cares.

Harika wrote: »

And WL shouldn't spare democrats or republicans or russians, where the bias is now very visible.

Why nobody complained when they were attacking Bush and Putin?

Chips Lovell

Less of the #fakenews type stuff please.

Characterising legit news outlets as fake news is a form of trolling.

johnp001

FBI did not examine DNC servers but relied on reports from "Crowdstrike"
Crowdstrike has now been criticised for misreading data related to another investigation

Cyber Firm at Center of Russian Hacking Charges Misread Data
An influential British think tank and Ukraine’s military are disputing a report that the U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has used to buttress its claims of Russian hacking in the presidential election.
The CrowdStrike report, released in December, asserted that Russians hacked into a Ukrainian artillery app, resulting in heavy losses of howitzers in Ukraine’s war with Russian-backed separatists.
But the International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) told VOA that CrowdStrike erroneously used IISS data as proof of the intrusion. IISS disavowed any connection to the CrowdStrike report. Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense also has claimed combat losses and hacking never happened.
The challenges to CrowdStrike’s credibility are significant because the firm was the first to link last year’s hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors, and because CrowdStrike co-founder Dimiti Alperovitch has trumpeted its Ukraine report as more evidence of Russian election tampering.
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demfad

McClatchy reports that the Alt-right and conservative news sites are under the FBI investigation headed by Director Comey into Russian interference in US elections and into Trump/Russia (rather Alt-right/Russia) coordiantion.

Operatives for Russia appear to have strategically timed the computer commands, known as “bots,” to blitz social media with links to the pro-Trump stories at times when the billionaire businessman was on the defensive in his race against Democrat Hillary Clinton, these sources said.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is accused by the FBI of ordering a campaign intended to influence the U.S. election.
Russian President Vladimir Putin is accused by the FBI of ordering a campaign intended to influence the U.S. election. Mikhail Klimentyev AP
The bots’ end products were largely millions of Twitter and Facebook posts carrying links to stories on conservative internet sites such as Breitbart News and InfoWars, as well as on the Kremlin-backed RT News and Sputnik News, the sources said. Some of the stories were false or mixed fact and fiction, said the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the bot attacks are part of an FBI-led investigation into a multifaceted Russian operation to influence last year’s elections.

Investigators examining the bot attacks are exploring whether the far-right news operations took any actions to assist Russia’s operatives.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html#storylink=cpy

B_Wayne

Just to clarify, investigative journalism isn't simply a data dump. It's an analysis and responsible reporting of information eg leaks. They track back through it and break it down.

Leaks of wikileaks as of late have been largely irresponsible. The two major being Erdogan and Saudi leaks. They effectively released personal information on gay people In Saudi Arabia. That's just one of the examples. There was a lot of content that simply entirely endangered innocent victims of regimes. That's not journalism!

Also worth noting that the Guardian no longer work with them as they won't omit such info.

Would you classify the Watergate investigation by Woodward and Bernstein as a data dump, Dooku?

johnp001

johnp001 wrote: »

FBI did not examine DNC servers but relied on reports from "Crowdstrike"
Crowdstrike has now been criticised for misreading data related to another investigation

Retractions of parts of Russian hacking report from Crowdstrike:

Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report
U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.
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demfad

France's turn as Russia turns its machine on the presidential election in order to avoid the prescence of Emmanuel Macron in the final run off:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/17/world/europe/french-election-russia.html?_r=0

Richard M. Burr, Republican of North Carolina and the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently said, “I think it’s safe by everybody’s judgment that the Russians are actively involved in the French elections.â€

Stung by criticism that its services turbocharged the spread of fake news during the United States election campaign, Facebook announced last week that a drive to purge “inauthentic activity†had led it to “take action against over 30,000 fake accounts†in France.

demfad

http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-some-right-wing-sites-under-1490115530-htmlstory.html

Connection now being investigated between alt-right media and Russian interference in the US election.
The FBI has included sites like Breitbart and infowars into its probe into Russia.
This is based on the possible coordination of Bots and trolls around stories from this site and the use of fake news stories with Russian origin.
Vast botnets seemed to gravitate towards certain alt-right users and accounts boosting and trending pro-Trump, anti-Clinton stories in apparent coordinated fashion.

Breitbart, which has drawn criticism for pursuing a white nationalist agenda, was formerly led by Stephen Bannon, who became chief executive officer of Trump’s election campaign last August and now serves as Trump’s strategic adviser in the White House. The news site’s former national security editor, Sebastian Gorka, was a national security adviser to Trump’s campaign and presidential transition team. He now works as a key Trump counterterrorism adviser.

Bannon and Gorka have controversial profiles. Bannon has been accused of taking anti-immigrant and racist positions. Last week, the Jewish newspaper Forward reported that Gorka had taken a lifelong loyalty oath to a Hungarian far-right group that for decades was allied with the Nazi Party.

Breitbart is partially owned by Robert Mercer, the wealthy co-chief executive of a New York hedge fund and a co-owner of Cambridge Analytica, a small, London-based firm credited with giving Trump a significant advantage in gauging voter priorities last year by providing his campaign with at least 5,000 data points on each of 220 million Americans.

InfoWars is published by Alex Jones, a Texas-based conservative talk show host known for embracing conspiracy theories

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article139695453.html#storylink=cpy

demfad

More evidence of Russian interference in the French election

Russia-linked fake news floods French social media

Almost one in four of the internet links shared by French users of social media in the run-up to elections were related to fake news, much of which favoured anti-EU candidates and showed traces of Russian influence, according to a new study.
The survey, by a UK-based firm, Bakamo, published on Wednesday (19 April), looked at 800 websites and almost 8 million links shared between 1 November and 4 April.

19.2 percent of links related to media that did not “adhere to journalistic standards” and that expressed “radical opinions … to craft a disruptive narrative” fell under what the study called the “reframe” category.
A further 5 percent related to “narratives [that were] often mythical, almost theological in nature” or discussed “conspiracy theories” fell under what it called the “alternative” section.

The sources shared in these categories favoured anti-EU candidates both on the far right and the far left: Marine Le Pen, Jean-Luc Melenchon, Francois Asselineau, and Philippe Poutou.

They also favoured Francois Fillon, a centre-right candidate who is friendly toward Russia.

Bakamo’s research found that one in five sources in the reframe section were exposed to influence by Russian state media known for spreading anti-EU disinformation, such as RT or Sputnik, and that one out of two sources in the alternative section had Russian roots.

“The analysis only identified foreign influence connected with Russia. No other foreign source of influence was detected”, Bakamo said.

Harika

demfad wrote: »

More evidence of Russian interference in the French election

Russia-linked fake news floods French social media

I don't think it should surprise anyone that a foreign government tries to influence elections to their advantage, especially as France is one of the leaders for the sanctions. Any government should try to influence elections to their favor, at least publically. If you want to do it informally, still fair enough but for me the line is where someone from the country asks Russia to influence the election, that should be treated as treason.

demfad

Harika wrote: »

I don't think it should surprise anyone that a foreign government tries to influence elections to their advantage, especially as France is one of the leaders for the sanctions. Any government should try to influence elections to their favor, at least publically. If you want to do it informally, still fair enough but for me the line is where someone from the country asks Russia to influence the election, that should be treated as treason.

It is a breach of International Law for a State to covertly undermine a democratic election in another State. Whether you agree with this or not is irrelevant. The study found no other country is interfering in France bar Russia.

Hank Scorpio

Nobody bats an eyelid at US interference in foreign elections, but if it's Russia it's strictly taboo. The most recent memory is Obama funding political pacs to oust Netanyahu in Israel, and before that the CIA spying on French political parties in 2012. Didn't Obama visit the UK right before the Brexit vote too? The media don't touch it, but have no problem talking about Russia 24/7.

http://www.npr.org/2016/12/22/506625913/database-tracks-history-of-u-s-meddling-in-foreign-elections

"The U.S. has ( influenced elections ) done it, too, by one expert's count, more than 80 times worldwide between 1946 and 2000."

"Traces of Russian Influence" , is that how they describe trolls online now? The Russiaphobia is out of control and the media has brainwashed people to the point of no return.

Hank Scorpio

Harika wrote: »

Weeks after it, no sign.

Also https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/843772976151642112

I am not a native speaker but "James Clapper and others stated that there is no evidence Potus colluded with Russia. This story is FAKE NEWS and everyone knows it!" means for me, that he admits that he colluded with Russia?

Yeah because if Trump was actually colluding with Russia he would have publicly shouted out for Russia to find the emails HRC deleted in the middle of the campaign.

If they're going after infowars etc they've got nothing concrete, which to any sane person, has appeared to be the case all along.

Count Dooku

demfad wrote: »

It is a breach of International Law for a State to covertly undermine a democratic election in another State.

Do you mean like it was in 1996 in Russia?
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-07-09/news/mn-22423_1_boris-yeltsin

Elmer Blooker

demfad wrote: »

It is a breach of International Law for a State to covertly undermine a democratic election in another State. Whether you agree with this or not is irrelevant. The study found no other country is interfering in France bar Russia.

Russia also "interfered" in the Dutch election. Wilders Party for Freedom was expected to do well but didn't and hey presto ... no Russian "interference".
Here you can see the lies and fake news was prepared in advance just in case Wilders topped the poll. All was according to the now standard "report".
http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/10/russia-hacking-dutch-election-warm-germany-france-interference-report
Le Pen polls well = Russian interference.
Le Pen polls poor = no Russian interference.

Billy86

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Russia also "interfered" in the Dutch election. Wilders Party for Freedom was expected to do well but didn't and hey presto ... no Russian "interference".
Here you can see the lies and fake news was prepared in advance just in case Wilders topped the poll. All was according to the now standard "report".
http://nltimes.nl/2017/03/10/russia-hacking-dutch-election-warm-germany-france-interference-report
Le Pen polls well = Russian interference.
Le Pen polls poor = no Russian interference.

Where are these articles that now say there was no Russia interference in the Netherlands or France?

Elmer Blooker

Billy86 wrote: »

Where are these articles that now say there was no Russia interference in the Netherlands or France?

There are no articles NOW about "interference" in the elections mentioned above. Like I said a few days ago:

Le Pen polls well = Russian interference.
Le Pen polls poor = no Russian interference.

All those articles prepared in advance about "Russian interference" can now be shredded. Its looking like Macron will win round two!