Wasps vs Connacht 11/12/2016 1pm on Sky Sports 2

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

They won't rest anyone. And they can win. They just have less at stake than what they have the week after.
They did the job, that the "good" point of having let them 5 points.

They play zebre last. If they win their next two games they can probably sent their 2nd string to zebre. Wasps take the ERCC seriously so I dont think they will lack for anything this saturday

http://www.skysports.com/rugby-union/toulouse-vs-wasps/80071

Bridge93

connachta wrote: »

Of FFS 8-pointer is a word created for no reason? All right...

If Connacht beat wasps this week by more than 7 than the group is out of Wasps hands. They won't assume Connacht will lose down in France and as such will be out to ensure the group is theirs to lose. This is much more of an 8 pointer than bath

.ak

Buer wrote: »

Only seen the highlights now.

What the hell happened there? Was literally nobody 2-3m either side of him when he went through the gap despite Connacht having numbers.

I'd still say Connacht have a decent change of progressing but it's essential they win next week now. 5 points against Zebre and a LBP in France could be enough. It's a long shot but gotta hope.

Defenders started on the outside of their men. You're supposed to defend inside out (except the winger/last man). That's a brilliant example why... you end up switching onto the inside man too much because you don't trust the inside man, two players bit on Beale and left a massive gap for anyone to walk through.

connachta

Bridge93 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Of FFS 8-pointer is a word created for no reason? All right...

If Connacht beat wasps this week by more than 7 than the group is out of Wasps hands. They won't assume Connacht will lose down in France and as such will be out to ensure the group is theirs to lose. This is much more of an 8 pointer than bath

Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
100 quids on that, even 100 Euros
Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better

Bridge93

connachta wrote: »

Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
100 quids on that
Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better

They may not. But a professional sports team aren't going to leave the door open for a shock to ruin their season.

connachta

Bridge93 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Connacht won't win another one in Toulouse. Even if they are out.
100 quids on that
Challenge Cup shows French teams always defend the home ground, even without proper interest. Toulouse will surely do that, and way better

They may not. But a professional sports team aren't going to leave the door open for a shock to ruin their season.

that's why they won't rest any players BUT will consider it still less decisive than the Bath home game

Bazzo

connachta wrote: »

I do think Connacht will conceed 5 points away against bigger team, just as yesterday showed it.
And I do think at the same time Connacht are able to score 4 tries Home against anyone. Ulster showed it.
Yes I keep firmly this position

The game this weekend showed it? The game against one of the best sides in England(Europe?) which was neck and neck for 60 minutes despite the fact that we were playing without a line-out or a goal kicker?

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

that's why they won't rest any players BUT will consider it still less decisive than the Bath home game

says who? Wasps take the ERCC seriously. One game in a 6 match pool could make or break their season. They arent Relying on a connacht defeat in france to scrape through as it could mean an away QF. Thats a huge impact on their season and finances

ClanofLams

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.

Bazzo

ClanofLams wrote: »

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.

That was very annoying but the fans were sound.

irishbucsfan

ClanofLams wrote: »

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the announcer at the game was a joke. Roaring 'Oggy Oggy Oggy' full blast while the game was ongoing, farcical stuff.

Leinster fans will remember the Leinster v London Irish game in 2010

The announcer (who was still their announcer last I was in Reading) kept shouting "Come on you Irish" over the tannoy during the game! When they were playing an Irish team!

ClanofLams

Bazzo wrote: »

That was very annoying but the fans were sound.

Agreed. It shouldn't be allowed though, one stage he was doing it when McCartney was throwing a ball in, it was ridiculous.

connachta

Bazzo wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

I do think Connacht will conceed 5 points away against bigger team, just as yesterday showed it.
And I do think at the same time Connacht are able to score 4 tries Home against anyone. Ulster showed it.
Yes I keep firmly this position

The game this weekend showed it? The game against one of the best sides in England(Europe?) which was neck and neck for 60 minutes despite the fact that we were playing without a line-out or a goal kicker?

So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

Bazzo

connachta wrote: »

So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

I'm saying that if we can stay in a game against one of the best in Europe for 60 minutes while missing 2 crucial elements to our game then it's rididculous to use that same game to surmise that any away game against a big European side will have a 5-0 result for us.

ClanofLams

This is irrelevant. Connacht will focus on getting 4 points, if an opportunity comes for a bp, well and good. Wasps are a lot better than Toulouse though. Connacht are well capable of giving Toulouse a run for their money in France especially with a good scrum.

connachta

ClanofLams wrote: »

This is irrelevant. Connacht will focus on getting 4 points, if an opportunity comes for a bp, well and good. Wasps are a lot better than Toulouse though. Connacht are well capable of giving Toulouse a run for their money in France especially with a good scrum.

Sorry? Toulouse give us a beating at scrum!  Even with Buckley back, I doubt they are so worse than Wasps

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

Toulouse 20-20 Wasps

About an hour in yesterday Carty missed a kick to make it Wasps 20-20 Connacht.

Connacht absolutely are capable of winning in Toulouse. Toulouse lose at Wasps with no BP and they can get to 18 points max in the group. So maybe they might not be that invested in the last game. Do Wasps want to take that chance? I think they will 100% want to keep it in their own hands this saturday.

connachta

Bazzo wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

I'm saying that if we can stay in a game against one of the best in Europe for 60 minutes while missing 2 crucial elements to our game then it's rididculous to use that same game to surmise that any away game against a big European side will have a 5-0 result for us.

We will still miss BoShoff and Ronaldson for Toulouse in January. And it could be worse, we were pretty close to full-strenght yesterday. More then we ever had

ClanofLams

connachta wrote: »

Sorry? Toulouse give us a beating at scrum!  Even with Buckley back, I doubt they are so worse than Wasps

Yes my point was that we will hopefully have a stronger front row than the first fixture and hopefully not concede so many penalties, not that we would beat Toulouse there.

Toulouse aren't one of the best teams in Europe in my opinion. They are reliant on a big pack to dominate and haven't much of a plan beyond that. Get close to parity up front and no reason Connacht can't give them a right game.

This is all irrelevant for the time being, job for Connacht is to get four points this Saturday.

connachta

Lake1989 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

So Toulouse is not " one of the best sides in Europe " able to reproduce  a 5-0 at Home? Your opinion!

Toulouse 20-20 Wasps

About an hour in yesterday Carty missed a kick to make it Wasps 20-20 Connacht.

Connacht absolutely are capable of winning in Toulouse. Toulouse lose at Wasps with no BP and they can get to 18 points max in the group. So maybe they might not be that invested in the last game. Do Wasps want to take that chance? I think they will 100% want to keep it in their own hands this saturday.

18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble"

Bazzo

connachta wrote: »

18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble"

In your opinion which plenty of people disagree with. If we get 4 points this weekend the maximum number of points we can theoretically achieve is 23 not 18.

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble"

Why would wasps "let it go a wee bit easier" when it absolutely suits them to win the group for the best possible home QF. Everything we have seen from Wasps in the ERCC last season and this says they will be fully engaged in this game on saturday

http://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/35294120

connachta

Bazzo wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble"

In your opinion which plenty of people disagree with. If we get 4 points this weekend the maximum number of points we can theoretically achieve is 23 not 18.

With a BP, it leads us to 19
we're qualified if Toulouse lose in London with nothing
and we keep a slim chance to qualify with a BP away there, if Toulouse lose in London with a BP

connachta

Lake1989 wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

18 Max is what we'll have if no BP this week.
Wasps will try but might let it go a wee bit easier now. That's all I'm saying. And it could help for a BP.
Anyway, if it's raining we're done...

EDIT: no, positivity we're just "in trouble"

Why would wasps "let it go a wee bit easier" when it absolutely suits them to win the group for the best possible home QF.

Because they have their home QF with a win home against Toulouse home, which is IMO easier to achieve than us away.
And the schedule is inclined toward that focus (next game for them Bath home vs Zebre home)

ClanofLams

This is a frustratingly ridiculous conversation.

1. Wasps will go to Galway entirely focussed on getting a win and ensuring qualification is in their complete control. Nonsense to suggest otherwise. They have a massive squad full of talent do they don't need to prioritise.
2. Connacht will focus solely on getting the win. If it happens to come with four tries, even better but they won't be worried about a bonus point.
3. Connacht can win in Toulouse.

I'm done. As this thread also looks to be.

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

Because they have their home QF with a win home against Toulouse home, which is IMO easier to achieve than us away.
And the schedule is inclined toward that focus (next game for them Bath home vs Zebre home)

Not if connacht win the last 3 games. Connacht beat Wasps with TBP, or deny Wasps a LBP and connacht can finish ahead of them. What part of that concept do you not understand.

Wasps 12
Connacht 9

Connacht win 4-0
Connacht 13
Wasps 12

The group is out of Wasps control.

Look at Leinster last season at Wasps, decent first half but when the greater need of Wasps kicked in they hockeyed Leinster. Wasps wont want to trust Toulouse to show up for a game that means nothing to them and everything to connacht.

connachta

ClanofLams wrote: »

This is a frustratingly ridiculous conversation.

1. Wasps will go to Galway entirely focussed on getting a win and ensuring qualification is in their complete control. Nonsense to suggest otherwise. They have a massive squad full of talent do they don't need to prioritise.
2. Connacht will focus solely on getting the win. If it happens to come with four tries, even better but they won't be worried about a bonus point.
3. Connacht can win in Toulouse.

I'm done. As this thread also looks to be.

if 2 is happennig because of insanely thinking 3 that's  a huge mistake.
Ridiculously misses anticipation

connachta

Lake1989 wrote: »

Wasps wont want to trust Toulouse to show up for a game that means nothing to them and everything to connacht

they won't trust. FFS I'm just saying table situation (a possible unnsure joker) + Bath next week means they won't be 110%. And Connacht is able to grab a BP againt a "normal" Wasps team at home
Nothing to be mad about:ermm:

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

they won't trust. FFS I'm just saying table situation (a possible unnsure joker) + Bath next week means they won't be 110%. And Connacht is able to grab a BP againt a "normal" Wasps team at home
Nothing to be mad about:ermm:

but everything we've seen from wasps for the last 18 months shows they are fully invested in the ERCC home and away which is why they have assembled the squad they have.

Last season, big away wins over Bath and Leinster, and a 4 point loss at Toulon
This season they got a draw at Toulouse in the last play of the game.

connachta

Forseen weather looks good
Good for BP
Good for Rugby
Good for Fans!

connachta

Christmas eve game (Bath) already on debate on Wasps forum. No topic for Connacht away game
Means not much, just about making some you even more angry

Lake1989

connachta wrote: »

Christmas eve game (Bath) already on debate on Wasps forum. No topic for Connacht away game
Means not much, just about making some you even more angry

Fans always view things differently to DORs or coaches

former total

connachta wrote: »

Christmas eve game (Bath) already on debate on Wasps forum. No topic for Connacht away game

There is no topic on boards.ie for it either. Does that mean Connacht don't care and are focussing purely on the Ulster game the following weekend?

connachta

former total wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Christmas eve game (Bath) already on debate on Wasps forum. No topic for Connacht away game

There is no topic on boards.ie for it either. Does that mean Connacht don't care and are focussing purely on the Ulster game the following weekend?

Oh I missed a new topic about Ulster here? Ulster is mentionned on the privious page here? No
BTW Ulster game is sold out

b.gud