Oxford Students Encouraged to Now Use "Ze" Instead of "He or She" To Avoid Offen

The Wolverine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4021894/Oxford-University-says-students-use-gender-neutral-ze-place-he.html

http://www.oxfordtimes.co.uk/news/14959600.It_s_not_he_or_she___it_s_ze__Oxford_students_told_to_use__gender_neutral_pronouns__/

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/he-and-she-are-now-ze-at-oxford-3kb33jtp8



So oxford student union wants students to stop using the words he or she and instead use ze as a gender neutral term to avoid offence, they even want it to make its way to lectures eventually

What the actual **** goes on in these people's heads?

Ted_YNWA

This will annoy Ze Germans.

Don't mention the war Oxford

RayM

Delighted to hear this, because it will annoy people who get annoyed about stuff like this.

Fr_Dougal

From hero to zero, just like that.

LordSutch

Political correctness gone mad.

They're also trying to dissuade the terms Mr & Mrs.

Pants to that I say.

Atari Jaguar

LordSutch wrote: »

Political correctness gone mad.

*old bill intensifies*

The Wolverine

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

From hero to zero, just like that.

That's a good one

Richard Hillman

I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

These are doing it for the wrong reasons

LeinsterDub

Their opinion holds no more weight than your own or the random drunk in the pub. Just ignore them.

ChikiChiki

Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

Your either male or female and that's the end of it. Fair enough if you want to change, just pick one ffs. This gender neutral, gender fluidity is such a load of modern PC guff and is driving people mad.

NoFreeGaffs

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

Which company?

biko

Oxford loves PC

benjamin d

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

These are doing it for the wrong reasons

There is one - they.

This crap is a huge factor in people turning against left leaning ideologies in general. It's so hard to side with progressives when you automatically get associated wth this type of sh1te along with their more sensible ideas.

Didas

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

These are doing it for the wrong reasons

Use 'they'

Summer wind

What a completely stupid idea.

ChikiChiki

NoFreeGaffs wrote: »

Which company?

The most famous bookies in the country at their South Dublin HQ.

Fleawuss

On behalf of the letter W, I object.

padd b1975

These fruits won't know what hit them when they eventually have to deal with the real world.

Yourself isit

As Richard said a gender neutral pronoun is missing in English for when the gender is unknown.

This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.

coolbeans

Interesting one this. Apart from inciting the 'PC GONE MAD" brigade beautifully it brings to mind the English language's lack of, or its loss of the gender neutral pronoun. 'One' seems to have been dropped completely while in Ireland we use 'ye' which is very effective in my opinion. In summary, if they're going down this road, which makes a lot of sense if ye stop to reflect on it, I think they should copy Hiberno-English and adopt 'ye'. 'Ze' is too German.

What does one think?
What do ye think?
What do ze think?

Didas

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Between this and the pumpkin spice lattes thread the world is getting dafter by the day. A well known Irish company has just put in a gender neutral toilet in addition to the existing male and female toilets to facilitate at the demands of one of their staff members who is going through a sex change. I find that bonkers to be honest.

Your either male or female and that's the end of it. Fair enough if you want to change, just pick one ffs. This gender neutral, gender fluidity is such a load of modern PC guff and is driving people mad.

I completely do not understand the whole transgender thing either, but leaving aside trying to change the pronouns we use, does any of the things you mention there really affect anyone? Why would it drive you mad?

LordSutch

I can't keep up with all this rubbish. Sitting has been largely been replaced in England with sat (I was sat), and standing is now widely replaced with stood, as in (I was stood). Now we have ZE instead of He or She, with talk of Mrs & Mrs being replaced with 'God knows what'?

Mince?

hairyslug

Can we not use gee instead

LeinsterDub

biko wrote: »

Oxford loves PC

Is Cambridge the Mac university?

endacl

He-Man is going to be problematic. Ze-Person? She-Ra not so much. Ze-Provo.

coolbeans

Yourself isit wrote: »

This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.

I don't think so. There's a genuine need for a gender neutral singular/plural pronoun like 'on' in French or 'sie' in German.

Gatling

And this is exactly what happens when parents cotton woll their kids ,

benjamin d

Yourself isit wrote: »

As Richard said a gender neutral pronoun is missing in English for when the gender is unknown.

This seems to be about eliminating he or she in all cases.

THEY. THEY. THEY.
It's always been there.
But to use it wouldn't be contrarian so it's unacceptable to the snowflakes.

And yes, I know how the word snowflake irritates people. IDGAF.

LordSutch

hairyslug wrote: »

Can we not use gee instead

You can use Ghee if you like

coolbeans

padd b1975 wrote: »

These fruits won't know what hit them when they eventually have to deal with the real world.

Predictable comment snowflake.

Yourself isit

coolbeans wrote: »

Interesting one this. Apart from inciting the 'PC GONE MAD" brigade beautifully it brings to mind the English language's lack of, or its loss of the gender neutral pronoun. 'One' seems to have been dropped completely while in Ireland we use 'ye' which is very effective in my opinion. In summary, if they're going down this road, which makes a lot of sense if ye stop to reflect on it, I think they should copy Hiberno-English and adopt 'ye'. 'Ze' is too German.

What does one think?
What do ye think?
What do ze think?

Ye is a plural of you. This is not about plurals.

And it's not about using ze when a gender is unknown - as in "when the guest comes ze should be brought into the reception room" or "when the guests come ze should be brought into the reception room" but "when John comes ze should be brought into the reception room".

At least that's how I read it.

clairewithani

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

From hero to zero, just like that.

Excellent!

gizmo555

Richard Hillman wrote: »

I actually do think there should be a neutral pronoun created. I hate having to say he/she when using a hypothetical example.

A simple way to deal with this is to use a plural, e.g., instead of:

"A driver must always drive at a speed which will allow him or her to stop within the distance he or she can see to be clear ahead."

use:

"Drivers must always drive at a speed which will allow them to stop within the distance they can see to be clear ahead"

Yourself isit

benjamin d wrote: »

THEY. THEY. THEY.
It's always been there.
But to use it wouldn't be contrarian so it's unacceptable to the snowflakes.

And yes, I know how the word snowflake irritates people. IDGAF.

You can use they but it's awkward. "When the guest comes they should be shown into the reception room" doesn't work. You can rephrase it to when guests but it's the singular case that is problematic

suicide_circus

Haha stupid tossers, you gotta feel sorry for them really

ChikiChiki

tonygun wrote: »

I completely do not understand the whole transgender thing either, but leaving aside trying to change the pronouns we use, does any of the things you mention there really affect anyone? Why would it drive you mad?

Being told how to think and what to accept in society as normal when it is not is what is driving people mad. People feel that they cannot have an opinion as they will face a serious backlash. Personally I think adding a 3rd toilet for gender neutral is too far. I wouldn't dare say it in public though as there would be a backlash.

I think part of the recent trend in the UK and US of people voting against what was expected by all is a good example.

Yourself isit

coolbeans wrote: »

Predictable comment snowflake.

And wrong. As Oxford grads they will fashion the external world. Already happening.

LordSutch

The Wolverine wrote: »

Oxford Students Encouraged to Now Use "Ze" Instead of "He or She" To Avoid Offence

I mean what age are these so called "students"?

Have none of them ever heard of ze Germans?

Absolutely ridiculous idea.

Widdershins

A Male-to-Female transgender woman tried to float the idea of using ''It''. She couldn't see why everyone thought it was a horrible idea.

Didas

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Being told how to think and what to accept in society as normal when it is not is what is driving people mad. People feel that they cannot have an opinion as they will face a serious backlash. Personally I think adding a 3rd toilet for gender neutral is too far. I wouldn't dare say it in public though as there would be a backlash.

I think part of the recent trend in the UK and US of people voting against what was expected by all is a good example.

Who is telling you how to think?

A step too far towards what? How does it affect you, me or the majority of the rest of the population?

Alun

tonygun wrote: »

Who is telling you how to think?

Exactly.

In this, and countless other similar cases that crop up here from time to time, these things are happening within the confines of universities and other centres of learning, where they have been going on for as long as I can remember.

99.999% of the rest of the population will completely ignore any and all of these "suggestions" and not be affected by them in the slightest.

I'd suggest all of the people who are getting "annoyed" by this kind of thing do the same, and stop getting wound up about them.

benjamin d

Yourself isit wrote: »

You can use they but it's awkward. "When the guest comes they should be shown into the reception room" doesn't work. You can rephrase it to when guests but it's the singular case that is problematic

How is that awkward? It makes perfect sense and always has.
This really is creating an issue where none exists.

Yourself isit

tonygun wrote: »

Who is telling you how to think?

A step too far towards what? How does it affect you, me or the majority of the rest of the population?

It's about power. Oxford elites have the right to change the language. You don't.

Gatling

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's about power. Oxford elites have the right to change the language. You don't.

But we have the power to tell them **** off in plain English

steddyeddy

Too privileged an upbringing and too little to worry about in life. Ignore them.

steddyeddy

Yourself isit wrote: »

And wrong. As Oxford grads they will fashion the external world. Already happening.

Actually it's the global academic community doing that, not one university. They'd be nothing without collaborators.

Didas

Yourself isit wrote: »

It's about power. Oxford elites have the right to change the language. You don't.

You don't just change language, it evolves and varies constantly. You think Oxford Student Union are going to change the English language, with all it's forms and dialects the world over, because they circulate a leaflet on campus?

Grayson

Alun wrote: »

I'd suggest all of the people who are getting "annoyed" by this kind of thing do the same, and stop getting wound up about them.

That's not going to happen. The poor snowflakes are triggered. They need a safe space. :pac:

Oliver Beetroot

Health and Safety gone mad.

...And Justice

The gender neutral toilet thing is crazy, I wouldn't want to be in cubicle next to a female employee having her daily scutter after the vino the night before.

Charles Babbage

Yourself isit wrote: »

Ye is a plural of you. This is not about plurals.

Typical prejudice against people with multiple personalities.