Snowflake Generation.

El_Duderino 09

Walter H Price wrote:

No pressure at all in the 50's ,60's and 80's , warped attitude we have it piss easy today in comparison.

Those people aren't in that position NOW though, are they? It's the young people. It's usually the young people

Walter H Price wrote:

My grandfathers were down the docks at 13 worked 2 and 3 manual labor intensive jobs all their adult lives , my dad was on and off short contracts (1 or 2 months at a time) for 6 years in the mid eighties to early nineties because there was literally no jobs , couldn't get approved for a mortgage or car loan , with a masters degree.

That's actually the response I was looking for.

Sounds like they would understand that pressures on young people change but they don't go away. Or they could say 'im alright, pull the ladder up jack. I'm the last snowflake getting in'

Depends on whether they have a sense of self awareness it not.

El_Duderino 09

Bit cynical wrote:

Yes they have.

You'd think they would have an ounce of empathy for the young people in the equivalent position today. But nope ... 'Rabble rabble I never complained about (insert list of complaints) when I was in their position. Rabble rabble'.

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Crying after an interview is a good example of the generation gap. Jobs are much less stable and more competitive that the older folks probably realise.

We now make whole series of tv shows about job interviews like the apprentice and dragons den. Shows where people compete for a job and get spoken to like crap and even when they don't get the job they still have to eat a sh1t sandwich and smile while they're doing it.

Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job. Never mind the fact that those older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living. Try saving for a house and family under those circumstances and see how you feel after an unsuccessful job interview.

Never mind the fact that these older folks have had their fun with the economy, bought a garish McMansion they couldn't afford and raised their children in it before giving it back to the bank.

Hey grandad, put all your thoughts on generation snowflake into your blog and WhatsApp me the address. Then I can never ever read it because it seems that in spite of all their smugness, the older chaps don't have a clue either.

The geniuses who were fully matured in the Celtic tiger should be delighted their children are taking a different path to themselves because they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when they held the reigns.

I can't believe in this information age people can still be so clueless .

Firefox11

seamus wrote: »

Every generation is told that they're soft and weak and not as good as their predecessors.

It's all nonsense. The "snowflake" stuff is the swan song of people in the throes of a mid-life crisis who can't accept that they're no longer in tune with the world.

Ah now, I was brought up in the 70's and 80's and we were tough as old boots. :P

pumpkin4life

The flying mouse

Firefox11 wrote: »

Ah now, I was brought up in the 70's and 80's and we were tough as old boots. :P

I was brought up in the 60/70s and was told I don't know how easy I have it :p

Galwayguy35

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

Generation X myself.

I remember older folk telling me how easy my life was compared to theirs back in the day. And so it continues.

Transport;
Walking - bicycle - one car family - multi car family.

Communication;
Phone box - house phone - mobile phone - smart phone.

Research;
Older generation - encyclopedia - encarta - google.

Every generation has more convenience than the previous one. But at least mine didn't have social media and cyber bullying.

Back in my day blah.....

Learn something new everyday, just found out I'm also Generation X, never even heard of it before reading your post.

Senna

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

You'd think they would have an ounce of empathy for the young people in the equivalent position today. But nope ... 'Rabble rabble I never complained about (insert list of complaints) when I was in their position. Rabble rabble'.

Yes, they didn't complain, they just got on with it, the problem now is every though gets expressed, but who give a ****, what do you want? a hug?

andekwarhola

When a deluge of snowflakes was predicted this Christmas, little did we know..

Galwayguy35

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Actually for the last 2 or 3 generations life was getting easier. Wages went up, a ton of people could easily buy a house, one or more cars, get several children,... and lead a comfortable life.

My generation (early 30's) seems to be the one that is now being confronted with a ****ed up economy, caused by the spending spree of previous generations who seemingly didn't anticipate what effect they would have on later generations.

You're right that the future generation will likely be hit even harder with this, but my point still stands that generations moving away from the ways of their parents/grandparents/... is perfectly normal. It always happens.

Really?

So who were these previous generations who went mad spending?

It's the banks reckless lending to property developers who fooked it up not ordinary people and I'm less than 10 years older than you so it's not as if everyone over 40 doesn't have the same financial problems as you.

suicide_circus

There used to be a good catch-all term used to describe these and countless other undesirable social groupings which I think we should bring back.

Cuņts.

Sleeper12

Rainman16 wrote:

The term refers to people reaching adulthood in the 2010s, The generation after millennials. This generation are characterised as being soft and overly sensitive, lacking resilience and ability to deal with the harshness of the real world. They value safety because they have been raised to fear everything around them, they have social behaviour issues, due to growing up in the age of "social media" they are unable to communicate with others without the use of technology.

I think the "social behaviour issues" should be social awkward. Behaviour issues implies trouble some kids roaming the streets.

Arcade_Tryer

For the average person, now is the greatest time in the history of this planet to be alive. If some people want to refer to the generation which most reflects this global society as the snowflake generation, then sign me up as a snowflake.

How sad that so many middle aged white men feel the need to drag down everything that dares threaten their way of life. From the fan boys of childish egomaniacs like Trump and Putin on boards, to the posters who forage through threads on sexism and rape culture desperate to convince themselves and anybody who'll listen that it's all a wild conspiracy. How tiring it must be to hold so much anger for a world which on average has treated us so well. Never has so much anger and so much fury been put to so little use or societal benefit. But rather destruction and debasement. 2016. The year human nature reminded us that it can never change. Even if society can. Slowly.

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

I can't believe in this information age people can still be so clueless .

What do you mean?

El_Duderino 09

Senna wrote:

Yes, they didn't complain, they just got on with it, the problem now is every though gets expressed, but who give a ****, what do you want? a hug?

You think people didn't complain about jobs etc. before this generation? Big lolz. Thanks for that.

suicide_circus

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

For the average person, now is the greatest time in the history of this planet to be alive. If some people want to refer to the generation which most reflects this global society as the snowflake generation, then sign me up as a snowflake.

How sad that so many middle aged white men feel the need to drag down everything that dares threaten their way of life. From the fan boys of childish egomaniacs like Trump and Putin on boards, to the posters who forage through threads on sexism and rape culture desperate to convince themselves and anybody who'll listen that it's all a wild conspiracy. How tiring it must be to hold so much anger for a world which on average has treated us so well. Never has so much anger and so much fury been put to so little use or societal benefit. But rather destruction and debasement. 2016. The year human nature reminded us that it can never change. Even if society can. Slowly.

The middle aged white men you refer to are largely the ones who have created the conditions for this to be the greatest time in history to be alive. They have built the wealth, technology, universities etc.

El_Duderino 09

Alt Right Guy wrote:

Crying after a job interview is a good thing? WTF? Man up ffs!

Jaysus font let the men's rights posters hear you tell anyone to 'man up'. They're very sensitive to that your of thing.

suicide_circus wrote:

The middle aged white men you refer to are largely the ones who have created the conditions for this to be the greatest time in history to be alive. They have built the wealth, technology, universities etc.

And now they get to drone on endlessly about those who benefit from it.

dissed doc

seamus wrote: »

Every generation is told that they're soft and weak and not as good as their predecessors.

It's all nonsense. The "snowflake" stuff is the swan song of people in the throes of a mid-life crisis who can't accept that they're no longer in tune with the world.

Or it's recognition of delayed emotional maturity and prolonging of childhood and adolescent temper tantrums into adulthood; unable to accept rejection of your ego.

Mid-life crisis never exists: it is merely the waking up of someone from the conditioned programmed life they have lived until that point, when they realise what the believed for 20 years is bullsh1t.

And the tune of the world these days is rapid rise of nationalism and rejection of thin-skinned liberal cry-baby-adults.

Good luck.

marienbad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Crying after an interview is a good example of the generation gap. Jobs are much less stable and more competitive that the older folks probably realise.

We now make whole series of tv shows about job interviews like the apprentice and dragons den. Shows where people compete for a job and get spoken to like crap and even when they don't get the job they still have to eat a sh1t sandwich and smile while they're doing it.

Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job. Never mind the fact that those older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living. Try saving for a house and family under those circumstances and see how you feel after an unsuccessful job interview.

Never mind the fact that these older folks have had their fun with the economy, bought a garish McMansion they couldn't afford and raised their children in it before giving it back to the bank.

Hey grandad, put all your thoughts on generation snowflake into your blog and WhatsApp me the address. Then I can never ever read it because it seems that in spite of all their smugness, the older chaps don't have a clue either.

The geniuses who were fully matured in the Celtic tiger should be delighted their children are taking a different path to themselves because they didn't exactly cover themselves in glory when they held the reigns.

This is what I mean -, your post is so full of ill-informed generalisations as to be meaningless. I'll go through a few in a minute but first let me say I am under no illusions about how tough this so called 'snowflake ' generation are going to have it , what between climate change and the casualization of labour etc .

But know this - whatever challenges face them they are quite simply the best educated , best prepared ,most prosperous tranche ever to come out of Ireland . Whether their futures lie in Ireland is another question but they are the most likely to overcome those obstacles that any before . And that didn't happen by accident .

Now as for those 'generalisation' I referred to , how about - ''Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job'' or ''older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living'' . It is unbelievable that someone as educated as you could post this stuff .

Stop harking back to the Celtic Tiger , some of us have a much longer view and believe me the worst of the worst in that implosion is insignificant compared to Ireland in the 50's - 70's . By the way those of us from those years were no great heroes either , we just got on with it as everyone else was in the same boat . And your generation will do exactly the same .

I look forward to reading your blog , hopefully it won't be too smug

El_Duderino 09

marienbad wrote:

But know this - whatever challenges face them they are quite simply the best educated , best prepared ,most prosperous tranche ever to come out of Ireland . Whether their futures lie in Ireland is another question but they are the most likely to overcome those obstacles that any before . And that didn't happen by accident .

The standards required to get a job have never been higher. The arms race of education required and education acquired is relentless. The obstacles are bigger and the tools to overcome the obstacles are better.

marienbad wrote:

Now as for those 'generalisation' I referred to , how about - ''Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job'' or ''older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living'' . It is unbelievable that someone as educated as you could post this stuff .

Pressure on getting a job has never been like this. When you were looking for jobs back in the 50, did you have to go through all the rigmarole of applications, preparing and rehearsing interview answers and attend several rounds if interviews before getting a job? That's what lots of young people do now. But it's different from the past which, some older folks think invalidates it somewhat.

marienbad wrote:

Stop harking back to the Celtic Tiger , some of us have a much longer view and believe me the worst of the worst in that implosion is insignificant compared to Ireland in the 50's - 70's . By the way those of us from those years were no great heroes either , we just got on with it as everyone else was in the same boat . And your generation will do exactly the same .

I'm older than the ones were discussing.

If the young ones of today are in the same boat as you were for all theose years between the 50s-70s, why all the whining about the young ones now? Why is the urge to kick them in the guts, so strong in the older folks?

wakka12

seamus wrote: »

Every generation is told that they're soft and weak and not as good as their predecessors.

It's all nonsense. The "snowflake" stuff is the swan song of people in the throes of a mid-life crisis who can't accept that they're no longer in tune with the world.

I don't know about that, as somebody who's part of this generation I think a lot of the social media vanity and safe spaces and sjw and entitlement is quite objectively pathetic

RollieFingers

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't know about that, as somebody who's part of this generation I think a lot of the social media vanity and safe spaces and sjw and entitlement is quite objectively pathetic

Do safe spaces actually exist in Ireland? I'm in DIT, pretty sure there's none on campus, certainly never heard anyone mentioning one or even saying one is needed!

Grayson

RollieFingers wrote: »

Do safe spaces actually exist in Ireland? I'm in DIT, pretty sure there's none on campus, certainly never heard anyone mentioning one or even saying one is needed!

I think the idea is that the campus itself is supposed to be a safe space. So hate speech etc is not allowed on campus. The problem the right has with this is that because they're not allowed promote sexism or racism then they say that their rights are being infringed. But they're not really. I can't think of a workplace (outside of the BNP offices or Breitbarts headquarters) where anyone can get away with that stuff.

Alun

RollieFingers wrote: »

Do safe spaces actually exist in Ireland? I'm in DIT, pretty sure there's none on campus, certainly never heard anyone mentioning one or even saying one is needed!

Practically none of this snowflake/SJW/safe space/whatever nonsense exists anywhere in the real world you and I frequent. It only exists in the minds of people whose only exposure to the world outside their own limited experience of it is via Twitter or Facebook.

Grandeeod

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Actually for the last 2 or 3 generations life was getting easier. Wages went up, a ton of people could easily buy a house, one or more cars, get several children,... and lead a comfortable life.

My generation (early 30's) seems to be the one that is now being confronted with a ****ed up economy, caused by the spending spree of previous generations who seemingly didn't anticipate what effect they would have on later generations.

You're right that the future generation will likely be hit even harder with this, but my point still stands that generations moving away from the ways of their parents/grandparents/... is perfectly normal. It always happens.

What 2 or 3 generations are you actually talking about? I've got at least 10 plus years on you age wise so that puts me technically 1 generation ahead of you.

You talk about a spending spree as if someone else is to blame for your generations problems? Your right, but it wasn't the previous generation that caused it. My heart goes out to you guys and I mean it. But the problem actually lies with your parents and the generation just after them. Policies adopted in the 1980s caused it. The first time buyers grant. The buy the council house you live in initiative. These were the policies that allowed the state to create the housing crisis we temporarily solved in the noughties via cheap mortgages. But now we have been trough the crisis of lending and that cheap credit isn't there anymore. We aren't building social housing either. We are doing nothing bar waiting and paying lip service to the issue. Don't forget about the 1000's of mortgages that are still in a distressed state either.

Ireland literally followed outdated British trends in terms of housing. That's why you are where you are. Politicians are elected to lead and the just followed.

RollieFingers

Grayson wrote: »

I think the idea is that the campus itself is supposed to be a safe space. So hate speech etc is not allowed on campus. The problem the right has with this is that because they're not allowed promote sexism or racism then they say that their rights are being infringed. But they're not really. I can't think of a workplace (outside of the BNP offices or Breitbarts headquarters) where anyone can get away with that stuff.

Yeh I've seen a few comments online recently which would indicate people seem to think colleges in Ireland are packed full of snowflakes, sjws, whatever the term they choose to use, safe spaces etc.They aren't though.

Not saying that elements of such behaviour aren't to be found, but it's really not that widespread. Majority of people just there to get a degree or go on the piss. And if the snowflakes are as sensitive and soft as some on the right think, why would they be afraid to speak their mind in front of them?

Didas

Senna wrote: »

Yes, they didn't complain, they just got on with it, the problem now is every though gets expressed, but who give a ****, what do you want? a hug?

Sounds like you need a hug...

Alun

RollieFingers wrote: »

Not saying that elements of such behaviour aren't to be found, but it's really not that widespread. Majority of people just there to get a degree or go on the piss.

Exactly. I don't have a clue, nor do I care, what 'generation' I belong to, but I went to university in the UK in the 70's, and believe me there were similar crazy things going on then too, and 99.9% of the students there, this being pre-Internet times, either never got to hear about it or did and didn't give a flying fcuk about it.

The Internet, Twitter and FB just give these idiots more of a voice than they would previously have got in times when the most publicity they'd get is a few leaflets spread around the students union.

Grandeeod

There was an article on the Indo website earlier today. I can't find it now. Basically it was about an over weight female journo being told by some bloke in Amsterdam that he didn't like fat women, but found her face attractive.

The article was so mixed up and ****ed up that I couldn't finish my ****ing weetabix! She cried. Then she didn't cry, but by **** did she rant about how upset and offended she was by the experience. Me and my missus are in the oul 40s like, so I asked herself what she would have said to this dude if she was overweight and somewhat younger. Well I got the answer I expected and thats why I love her. She would have told him to **** off and look in a mirror ya stupid bollox. Now go off there and screw a plug hole. Bottom line, she would have the confidence and ability to dismiss the dope.

If you don't believe that the Snowflake generation exists, your mad!

Ulysses Gaze

marienbad wrote: »

This is what I mean -, your post is so full of ill-informed generalisations as to be meaningless. I'll go through a few in a minute but first let me say I am under no illusions about how tough this so called 'snowflake ' generation are going to have it , what between climate change and the casualization of labour etc .

But know this - whatever challenges face them they are quite simply the best educated , best prepared ,most prosperous tranche ever to come out of Ireland . Whether their futures lie in Ireland is another question but they are the most likely to overcome those obstacles that any before . And that didn't happen by accident .

Now as for those 'generalisation' I referred to , how about - ''Older folks have never experienced that pressure to get a job'' or ''older folks might have never experienced a decade of stagnant or falling wages and increasing cost of living'' . It is unbelievable that someone as educated as you could post this stuff .

Stop harking back to the Celtic Tiger , some of us have a much longer view and believe me the worst of the worst in that implosion is insignificant compared to Ireland in the 50's - 70's . By the way those of us from those years were no great heroes either , we just got on with it as everyone else was in the same boat . And your generation will do exactly the same .

I look forward to reading your blog , hopefully it won't be too smug

They'll also be dealing with Automation of labour too.

And that won't just be in Manufacturing jobs either.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34066941