Nike sponsoring sub-2 hour marathon attempt

Swashbuckler

OOnegative wrote:

Yeah but lads you mentioned are the Boards equivalent of Kipchoge & Bekele so they see the benefits......(i’m on a losing battle here so i’ll stop). Like you though I wouldn’t pay the money for them as 1. I couldn’t justify it. 2. divorce papers would follow and 3. Hard work at my level will get me further.

If I was to accumulate my last few birthday/anniversary/valentines/etc gifts I'd pay for them myself. Haha. But I don't see the point right now. Maybe if I was running well but no point putting 275 quid on the feet of a crock of sh*t. Haha

OOnegative

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I guess it was a question of talent. Kipchoge has stayed fit and trained consistently for marathons. He's the best we've seen so far at them, but has raced close to his limit/potential.

I don't think Bekele has, or has even ran close to his potential at marathon level, but he's starting to get there now. He's now only 2 second shy of Kipchoge, yet there's still alot of room for improvement with his potential/limit

Kipchoge is 34, has another 3-4 years potentially at the top. Hasn’t come near his peak yet and Bekele will probably be retired when he does.

OOnegative

Swashbuckler wrote: »

If I was to accumulate my last few birthday/anniversary/valentines/etc gifts I'd pay for them myself. Haha. But I don't see the point right now. Maybe if I was running well but no point putting 275 quid on the feet of a crock of sh*t. Haha

Jeez your missus is good to you!!

OOnegative

Probably question for another day or another thread, but where will the two hour barrier be broken? There will be big emphasis i’d imagine from the likes of London and Berlin today after Kipchoge’s performance. Can see it falling in a race environment in next few years.

The Golden Miller

OOnegative wrote: »

Kipchoge is 34, has another 3-4 years potentially at the top. Hasn’t come near his peak yet and Bekele will probably be retired when he does.

I don't think there's anything to indicate he can go much quicker. Slightly, of course, but not by any great distance. He's consistent too, but doesn't really have a huge amount of speed either. He's not far off going as quick as he can imo.

Bekele can go alot quicker, and has the natural speed to up it when it counts. Just look at Berlin, and what he still had in the tank by the end. He can go quicker again I'd say, and from further out if he does stay fit to reach his potential. He has pace to burn when on top form, even Mo Farah's kick couldn't live with him

adrian522

OOnegative wrote: »

Yeah but lads you mentioned are the Boards equivalent of Kipchoge & Bekele so they see the benefits......(i’m on a losing battle here so i’ll stop). Like you though I wouldn’t pay the money for them as 1. I couldn’t justify it. 2. divorce papers would follow and 3. Hard work at my level will get me further.

The reason I wouldn't wear them is this. My marathon PB is 3:36, from 2016.

LEt's say I ran 3:24 in these, fancy expensive shoes, I have a new PB, but is that a better performance than the 3:26 in 2016, hard to say which is why I wouldn't wear them.

Also I can't constantly bitch and moan about them if I wear them myself

OOnegative

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I don't think there's anything to indicate he can go much quicker. Slightly, of course, but not by any great distance. He's consistent too, but doesn't really have a huge amount of speed either. He's not far off going as quick as he can imo.

Bekele can go alot quicker, and has the natural speed to up it when it counts. Just look at Berlin, and what he still had in the tank by the end. He can go quicker again I'd say, and from further out if he does stay fit to reach his potential. He has pace to burn when on top form, even Mo Farah's kick couldn't live with him

Age is on Kipchoge’s side, Bekele potentially can go quicker that I won’t argue with but he hasn’t the years left to run competitively that Kipchoge has, who’s far from reaching his peak IMO.

adrian522

You have to remember that a lot of Kenyan's don't really know their exact age, it's not 100% certain that he even is 34. He could be older.

https://twitter.com/adharanand/status/1182942085768499201

OOnegative

adrian522 wrote: »

You have to remember that a lot of Kenyan's don't really know their exact age, it's not 100% certain that he even is 34. He could be older.

https://twitter.com/adharanand/status/1182942085768499201

He does look older than his stated age alright and is a big issue in East African countries as you say. If yer man Barega from Ethiopia is 19 then so am I!!!

KSU

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I don't think there's anything to indicate he can go much quicker. Slightly, of course, but not by any great distance. He's consistent too, but doesn't really have a huge amount of speed either. He's not far off going as quick as he can imo.

Bekele can go alot quicker, and has the natural speed to up it when it counts. Just look at Berlin, and what he still had in the tank by the end. He can go quicker again I'd say, and from further out if he does stay fit to reach his potential. He has pace to burn when on top form, even Mo Farah's kick couldn't live with him

Bekele was flat out at the end of Berlin as per my video posted earlier

Bekele was actually up with 2k to go so it was actually his finish which cost him the world record

YFlyer

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Was literally just texting a mate about the same (he's now buying the runners from today. Marketing at its finest).

I couldn't justify that amount. As I said to him, we're not elites. Save a fortune and put down the bag of chips and you'll gain more.

That being said some of the lads on here have put in some decent times with them (and decent training of course)

They wouldn't last long if they're used for training as well.

The Golden Miller

KSU wrote: »

Bekele was flat out at the end of Berlin as per my video posted earlier

Bekele was actually up with 2k to go so it was actually his finish which cost him the world record

It was a quick finish relative to how everyone else finishes a marathon. Regardless, I think it shows with injury free consistency and more conditioning, there is vast room for improvement relative to his talent. I honestly believe he'll break the WR with relative ease within the next couple of years, health permitting

Swashbuckler

YFlyer wrote:

They wouldn't last long if they're used for training as well.

Sorry I meant they have put in decent race times with them but they've also put in decent training so it's not all down to the runners.

BDI

Any Nike I’ve bought when running fell apart faster than other brands.
I never really bought specific running shoes though.
I’d usually go with whatever the better deal ASICS or new balance was going in the shop.
Seemed to last longer. Never once did I feel faster because of a pair of runners. Unless these runners have motors in them you are being sold a pack of lies I’d reckon.

I bought two pairs though I think that’ll give me twice the gains.

NIMAN

Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages of the thread, but is there much discussion or doubt over whether this athlete is clean or not?

Swashbuckler

NIMAN wrote:

Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages of the thread, but is there much discussion or doubt over whether this athlete is clean or not?

No there isn't. This is one of the few threads lately where doping discussion hasn't completely taken over.

KSU

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages of the thread, but is there much discussion or doubt over whether this athlete is clean or not?

When your too lazy to get involved in making lazy accusations 😂

OOnegative

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages of the thread, but is there much discussion or doubt over whether this athlete is clean or not?

Nope!! If you anything to state otherwise by all means share away.

BDI

NIMAN wrote: »

Sorry I don't want to read 27 pages of the thread, but is there much discussion or doubt over whether this athlete is clean or not?

Absolutely, they check his pee every, well they check his pee and they check his blood every, well they check his blood probably more than all the other sports in the world and if the global doping man is around watching the test when it happens he will throw the book at, well he will ban them for two years probably.

KSU

BDI wrote: »

Absolutely, they check his pee every, well they check his pee and they check his blood every, well they check his blood probably more than all the other sports in the world and if the global doping man is around watching the test when it happens he will throw the book at, well he will ban them for two years probably.

Actually he is subject to WADA random testing as well as an additional Pool of athletes tested independently which has been heavily funded by the WMM so as marathon runners go despite the optics he is probably tested more than most

NIMAN

Thanks for all the replies.

OOnegative

NIMAN wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies.

No bother, you get back to your Ryan Tubridy thread there, something you might have some idea about!!

NIMAN

OOnegative wrote: »

No bother, you get back to your Ryan Tubridy thread there, something you might have some idea about!!

Well excuse me.

healy1835

On the shoes.....the original Vaporfly was debuted over 2 years ago now. The Nike shoe designers/engineers or whatever title they go by, must be seriously ahead of the curve. I know Hoka have the Carbon X that Jim Walmsley set the 50 Mile WR record in, but they'd still be a relatively smaller scale shoe company in comparison to the bigger players.
Surely Adidas, New Balance and the rest must be ploughing $$$ into their shoe design to release a competitor. Scullion touched on his frustration with Under Armor design team in the last podcast (and ran London in a pair of blacked out 4%'s if I'm not mistaken). The recent Adidas Sub 2 shoe was just a slightly updated Adios from the reviews I read; nice shoe, but not what was hinted at from Adidas.

adrian522

I'm sure Nike have patented their design, making it difficult for other companies to follow suit.

Torsevt

OOnegative wrote: »

Kipchoge is 34, has another 3-4 years potentially at the top. Hasn’t come near his peak yet and Bekele will probably be retired when he does.

He's more likely a bit older and may have peaked, hard to say

Unlikely he was really 18 back in 2003, he looks old as well

KSU

healy1835 wrote: »

On the shoes.....the original Vaporfly was debuted over 2 years ago now. The Nike shoe designers/engineers or whatever title they go by, must be seriously ahead of the curve. I know Hoka have the Carbon X that Jim Walmsley set the 50 Mile WR record in, but they'd still be a relatively smaller scale shoe company in comparison to the bigger players.
Surely Adidas, New Balance and the rest must be ploughing $$$ into their shoe design to release a competitor. Scullion touched on his frustration with Under Armor design team in the last podcast (and ran London in a pair of blacked out 4%'s if I'm not mistaken). The recent Adidas Sub 2 shoe was just a slightly updated Adios from the reviews I read; nice shoe, but not what was hinted at from Adidas.

I believe sketchers and brooks have developed their own soon to be released. Aasics went a different route with their meta shoe seem to be going away from performance and more towards recreational

hawkwing

I was hoping he would fail even though i used to really admire him:(.Sub 2 was probably going to be broken in 5,10 or 20 years time in a race so why did he do it -if not for the greed of money,it was the greed of fame to have his name there and ultimately take slightly from whoever does it in a race. He knew he would never break it in a race although he might have got under 2:01 at a stretch.Wouldn't be as bad if the pacers didn't relay and come back in fresh and just gradually dropped out.

Murph_D

adrian522 wrote: »

The reason I wouldn't wear them is this. My marathon PB is 3:36, from 2016.

LEt's say I ran 3:24 in these, fancy expensive shoes, I have a new PB, but is that a better performance than the 3:26 in 2016, hard to say which is why I wouldn't wear them.

Also I can't constantly bitch and moan about them if I wear them myself

If the shoe is legal, why not wear it? I don’t, because I don’t have a grá for Nike shoes, and I don’t like the price. But if I thought it could shave 2 mins off my PB and qualify me for London, why not? The cost would easily be saved by not paying the tourist premium.

Its up to the sport to regulate equipment. We can of course then exercise our principles if we choose, but as long as it’s not banned, good luck to anyone who wears it.

BDI

Murph_D wrote: »

If the shoe is legal, why not wear it? I don’t, because I don’t have a grá for Nike shoes, and I don’t like the price. But if I thought it could shave 2 mins off my PB and qualify me for London, why not? The cost would easily be saved by not paying the tourist premium.

Its up to the sport to regulate equipment. We can of course then exercise our principles if we choose, but as long as it’s not banned, good luck to anyone who wears it.

That sounds like pushing the envelope talk

Murph_D

BDI wrote: »

That sounds like pushing the envelope talk

What envelope? The shoe is legal.

BDI

Murph_D wrote: »

What envelope? The shoe is legal.

I rubbed the shoe on my sons skin and he passed the test.

Murph_D

Oh right. :rolleyes:

Rashers Big Log

Would be great to see a similar set up, sponsored by a fracking company to see if a woman, wearing those Nike cheat shoes could break the 2:15 barrier. No one has been close since Paula nearly did.

Lazare

Lazare wrote: »

In 60 years time will he be the Bannister or will the first man to do it in a sanctioned event be?

Bannister was headline news.

Already having to scroll down the sports pages to find articles about Kipchoge's effort.

It was a remarkable run. But his claim that this Nike promotion was as historical as Bannister's run was hyperbole. As others have pointed out, Nike have just stolen the thunder from whoever does it in race conditions.

Torsevt

Nike have just sold a load of shoes

God forbid they go for a 215 and Paula Radcliffe gets new publicity

Lazare

Deleted User wrote: »

Bannister was headline news.

Already having to scroll down the sports pages to find articles about Kipchoge's effort.

It was a remarkable run. But his claim that this Nike promotion was as historical as Bannister's run was hyperbole. As others have pointed out, Nike have just stolen the thunder from whoever does it in race conditions.

Dunno, I'm getting messages from people who know I run saying 'did you hear some African lad ran a marathon in under 2 hours'

ewc78

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bannister was headline news.

Already having to scroll down the sports pages to find articles about Kipchoge's effort.

It was a remarkable run. But his claim that this Nike promotion was as historical as Bannister's run was hyperbole. As others have pointed out, Nike have just stolen the thunder from whoever does it in race conditions.

Sure it's a different world now compared to when Bannister did it, we have 24hr news and sports coverage, the internet etc.
There is always something going on somewhere in the world and yesterday's news becomes exactly that.
Even if he did it in a proper race it would still be yesterday's news by now and you'd be scrolling down the sports sections to find it.

Working class heroes

ewc78 wrote: »

Sure it's a different world now compared to when Bannister did it, we have 24hr news and sports coverage, the internet etc.
There is always something going on somewhere in the world and yesterday's news becomes exactly that.
Even if he did it in a proper race it would still be yesterday's news by now and you'd be scrolling down the sports sections to find it.

Sorry but your last point is nonsense.

Swashbuckler

It's in the top stories section of both BBC sport and sky news. Facebook is littered with it still. I also had family members and friends messaging me about it. I don't really get what relevance it not being a top story would mean regardless. Plenty going on with Brexit and people dying in a typhoon in Japan for it to get bumped down a bit.

I do agree however that the comparisons to walking on the moon etc is nonsense.

I also agree this had taken from whoever does it in a race. I'm not anti the whole experiment but I wouldn't say I'm it's biggest fan either. It is what it is. A super achievement.

ewc78

Working class heroes wrote: »

Sorry but your last point is nonsense.

If you think so.

Working class heroes

ewc78 wrote: »

If you think so.

I know so.

walshb

I think it’s a great achievement, but it all seems a bit flat as regards people really caring...

ewc78

Working class heroes wrote: »

I know so.

Whatever makes you happy buddy.

opus

Came across an interesting read on yesterday's achievement, would agree with the author that seeing Kipchoge & Bekele on the start line at the Olympics would be quite the mouthwatering contest.

Critical Power, Carbon Fibre and Co-operative Drafting: the science behind the first sub two-hour marathon

KSU

Swashbuckler wrote: »

I do agree however that the comparisons to walking on the moon etc is nonsense.

I saw a good comparison with both being feats of technological advancement making it a fairly apt comparison

KSU

opus wrote: »

would agree with the author that seeing Kipchoge & Bekele on the start line at the Olympics would be quite the mouthwatering contest.

I am about 90% you won't see Bekele in Tokyo. By all accounts he has had some set backs with his business so prospect of no appearance fee would make it highly unlikely. I reckon London will be the place for a heads up though given short turnaround might not happen for EK.

gypsy79

All this in the week that Salazar was finally banned

If you want me to believe you are clean (ANY SPORT), do not wear Nike!!

NOP will (maybe already) be forgotten, just like BALCO and people will still wear their goods!

The shoes are not legal. The ACTUAL shoes they are wearing are not generally available

adrian522

Murph_D wrote: »

If the shoe is legal, why not wear it? I don’t, because I don’t have a grá for Nike shoes, and I don’t like the price. But if I thought it could shave 2 mins off my PB and qualify me for London, why not? The cost would easily be saved by not paying the tourist premium.

Its up to the sport to regulate equipment. We can of course then exercise our principles if we choose, but as long as it’s not banned, good luck to anyone who wears it.

I think I outlined above why I wouldn't wear them. I'd like my performance improvements to be real improvements due to training and hard work not due to giving Nike €300.

That fact that they are not illegal is not the point, they should be in my opinion but in any case they are the ultimate shortcut.

I also don't like Nike shoes in general and as you point out they are way too expensive as well as being not very durable.

Sisaylemma

Incredible to witness , the best thing about it is we know it's 100% without a doubt clean .

We know he's clean because he's with Nike and Nike just wouldn't associate themselves with doping. What would Nike gain from it. This was the first race I really enjoyed because it was so legit.

I suppose he's just lucky all of the other guys that can run sub 2.06 are all squeaky clean too , imagine one of them did dope then the sub 2 be already gone.

Nike restoring my faith in athletics, totally legit like Radcliff just hard work and a few gels , Brits don't dope .