Anyone else fed up of the Gardai whinging about pay?

jetsonx

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

byhookorbycrook

No , never. The local Garda has to follow orders- if you don't break the law then it's not an issue .

archer22

Ah now c'mon they have to devote resources to persecuting whistle blowers 24 hours a day...I mean jeez you can't expect them to have time to chase criminals as well!!

_Brian

They do a good square job round here, like any profession there is the odd flute but that's human nature.

I think the current starting salary is a joke and will only attract the worst candidates to the job.

ohnonotgmail

I'm fed up reading threads about people whinging about other people whinging. Is that close enough?

Boaty

Would you also be complaining if people were speeding all over the place due to no speed traps? Or what about if some young thug robbed you to fund their drug addiction? Low level offending leads to more violent crime.

Ted111

Hundreds of millions on tribunals into their corruption and promises of new beginnings and new oversight bodies.

All a load sh1t.

Still covering up. Still corrupt management answerable to no one.

Latest Cover Up

PistolsAtDawn

Boaty wrote: »

Would you also be complaining if people were speeding all over the place due to no speed traps? Or what about if some young thug robbed you to fund their drug addiction? Low level offending leads to more violent crime.

I bet you don't know what it smells like in the sistine chapel

fryup

i'm fed up with everyone whinging about pay

we need a Thatcher in this country

Barry Badrinath

fryup wrote: »

i'm fed up with everyone whinging about pay

we need a Thatcher in this country

Yeah!

My roof is fcuked!

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

They were walking around the carpark today in blanch shopping centre checking windows, now - I've no issue with them having checkpoints or catching people on the road that shouldn't be on the roads, but you'd think they'd have more to be worrying about than walking around a carpark collecting revenue given the state of the country at the minute with people being shot at, mugged, and burgled

The_Valeyard

fryup wrote: »

i'm fed up with everyone whinging about pay

we need a Thatcher in this country

No, we really do not.

The Specialist

Would you rather do their job OP? I certainly wouldn't and I think they should be well paid for the **** and scum they have to deal with every day.

Slydice

Not really...

****ing rents these days are mad. Average rent in Dublin is almost a grand a month.

What do Gardai earn startin?
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12252

Let's skip to the year 1: €25,727
after basic tax..
http://taxcalc.ie/
that's €21,618

So like.. what's that less a grand a month. It's 21,618-12000 = 9,618

so each week that's: 184

Right dole is what?
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Jobseekers-supports.aspx
Dole is 188


Right, so less than the Dole For a starting Garda...

Homeless rates up at record levels...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101770543#post101770543


Feckin price of houses and renting. Nothing being built. Homelessness rising. Government reports saying we're breaching the rights of Children:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101707037&postcount=58


I can see why the Gardai want more money...

fryup

fryup wrote: »

i'm fed up with everyone whinging about pay

we need a Thatcher in this country

The_Valeyard wrote: »

No, we really do not.

really? name me one Taoiseach that has stood down the unions ??

Vincent Vega

jetsonx wrote: »

....going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

It also furthers anti-garda sentiment amongst young cannabis users.

Maybe some high ranking gardai should come out in support of full legalisation. Perhaps with the suggestion of a special tax rate that could go towards their pay increase. Or maybe do like some areas of the UK police and let it be known they are going to de-prioritise it.

It'd make them less odious in the eyes of those young people, and maybe change the focus in dealing with young cannabis users towards assisting and getting to interact with them on a human level, as opposed to destroying their futures by treating them as mere criminals.

jetsonx

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They were walking around the carpark today in blanch shopping centre checking windows, now - I've no issue with them having checkpoints or catching people on the road that shouldn't be on the roads, but you'd think they'd have more to be worrying about than walking around a carpark collecting revenue given the state of the country at the minute with people being shot at, mugged, and burgled

Exactly. But this is the nice easy kind of work they like doing. In this very area (West Dublin) just up the road there are gangs blowing each others brains out but our force is swanning around the safe environs of a shopping centre car park. It's a disgrace.

Skommando

fryup wrote: »

i'm fed up with everyone whinging about pay

we need a Thatcher in this country

That sounds exactly like another whinge.
And you'd also be the first one whinging if your pay was cut.

jetsonx

Vincent Vega wrote: »

It'd make them less odious in the eyes of those young people, and maybe change the focus in dealing with young cannabis users towards assisting and getting to interact with them on a human level, as opposed to destroying their futures by treating them as mere criminals.

And when these teenagers get older and they come across criminal activity do think they will really feel comfortable reporting incidents to them? Probably not.
I don't think the Gardai even know when community policing means.

TheChizler

Slydice wrote: »

Not really...

****ing rents these days are mad. Average rent in Dublin is almost a grand a month.

What do Gardai earn startin?
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12252

Let's skip to the year 1: €25,727
after basic tax..
http://taxcalc.ie/
that's €21,618

So like.. what's that less a grand a month. It's 21,618-12000 = 9,618

so each week that's: 184

Right dole is what?
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Jobseekers-supports.aspx
Dole is 188


Right, so less than the Dole For a starting Garda...

Why subtract rent before comparing to the dole? Seems a bit arbitrary. Lots of people on welfare pay rent.

prinzeugen

jetsonx wrote: »

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

Well the guys doing speed traps will be Traffic.. The clue is in the name.

My own home was being broken into while we watched TV. Garda there in minutes and caught them.

Work along side the Garda in one job and 99% are sound.

Take it you are 18 and got caught speeding and carrying dope..

Fluffy Cat 88

The Specialist wrote: »

Would you rather do their job OP? I certainly wouldn't and I think they should be well paid for the **** and scum they have to deal with every day.

This!

Two of my extended family are Gardai. The pay is ****e, the work is dangerous, they're handcuffed to the scum of the country (leading them in and out of court etc) spat at, have to wear anti stab vests and risk assault and death every day. Not to mention having to knock on a door and break the worst news to families after accidents.

They both love their jobs and are proud to serve and protect our citizens. But they deserve a lot more for the work they do.

Goya

jetsonx wrote: »

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

It's not the fault of the guards themselves if some bureaucrat allocates more resources to the low hanging fruit stuff.

doc11

Fluffy Cat 88 wrote: »

This!

Two of my extended family are Gardai. The pay is ****e, the work is dangerous, they're handcuffed to the scum of the country (leading them in and out of court etc) spat at, have to wear anti stab vests and risk assault and death every day. Not to mention having to knock on a door and break the worst news to families after accidents.

They both love their jobs and are proud to serve and protect our citizens. But they deserve a lot more for the work they do.

yeah yeah yeah, what about the gardai who sit safely in their stations all day doing crosswords. The majority are desk based. Risk of Death? you do like the drama. 63k for an average guard plus pension after 30 years is amazing. How much do you think a guard should be paid?

diomed

Slydice wrote: »

Not really...

****ing rents these days are mad. Average rent in Dublin is almost a grand a month.

What do Gardai earn startin?
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12252

Let's skip to the year 1: €25,727
after basic tax..
http://taxcalc.ie/
that's €21,618

So like.. what's that less a grand a month. It's 21,618-12000 = 9,618
so each week that's: 184

Right dole is what?
http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Jobseekers-supports.aspx
Dole is 188

Right, so less than the Dole For a starting Garda...

Homeless rates up at record levels...
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=101770543#post101770543

Feckin price of houses and renting. Nothing being built. Homelessness rising. Government reports saying we're breaching the rights of Children:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=101707037&postcount=58

I can see why the Gardai want more money...

Don't forget

Overtime allowance
Rent allowance
Sunday allowance
Night duty allowance
Public holiday allowance
Saturday allowance
Detective allowance
Uniform allowance
Boot allowance
Non public duty allowance
Plain clothes allowance
Clerical allowance
Availability allowance
Gaeltacht allowance
Minsterial pool
Instructor allowance
Radio allowance
Acting up allowance :pac:
Juvenile Liasion Officer and Community Relations/Crime Prevention allowance
Immigration allowance
Qualifying bonus allowance
Court presenter allowance
Transport allowance
Air support unit allowance
PSV allowance
Locomotion allowance
Delegates allowance
Change management allowance
Collator allowance
Welfare office allowance
Substitution allowance
Safety advisor allowance
Analyst allowance
Dog handler allowance
Reward allowance
Local post allowance (abroad)
Child allowance (abroad)
Private secretary allowance
Cost of living allowance (abroad)
Bicycle allowance :rolleyes:
Interpol allowance
Supplementary overtime allowance
Living allowance
EU Police Mission
Cost of living allowance

diomed

diomed wrote: »

Don't forget

Overtime allowance
Rent allowance
Sunday allowance
Night duty allowance
Public holiday allowance
Saturday allowance
Detective allowance
Uniform allowance
Boot allowance
Non public duty allowance
Plain clothes allowance
Clerical allowance
Availability allowance
Gaeltacht allowance
Minsterial pool
Instructor allowance
Radio allowance
Acting up allowance :pac:
Juvenile Liasion Officer and Community Relations/Crime Prevention allowance
Immigration allowance
Qualifying bonus allowance
Court presenter allowance
Transport allowance
Air support unit allowance
PSV allowance
Locomotion allowance
Delegates allowance
Change management allowance
Collator allowance
Welfare office allowance
Substitution allowance
Safety advisor allowance
Analyst allowance
Dog handler allowance
Reward allowance
Local post allowance (abroad)
Child allowance (abroad)
Private secretary allowance
Cost of living allowance (abroad)
Bicycle allowance :rolleyes:
Interpol allowance
Supplementary overtime allowance
Living allowance
EU Police Mission
Cost of living allowance

You hardly think a Garda gets all these allowances

prinzeugen

doc11 wrote: »

yeah yeah yeah, what about the gardai who sit safely in their stations all day doing crosswords. The majority are desk based. Risk of Death? you do like the drama. 63k for an average guard plus pension after 30 years is amazing. How much do you think a guard should be paid?

But these desk guys are there, and responded to me when I called the station.

What do you want? Some low paid Irish version of the Statsi?

Bet you would be the first to complain if you got hit by a uninsured driver and say "why did the Garda not get them off the road"

worded

A lot of police are landlords I hear ....

According to Macwilliams all these strikes are linked to house costs

Arghus

I know nothing about being a Guard.

Therefore I don't know whether I'm sick of hearing about their grievances or not.

But I'm fairly sure a lot of people have made their mind up about being sick of it, without really thinking about it, because it doesn't appear to affect them directly.

Im more sick of teachers whinging about pay

Mountainsandh

No.
They deal with the toughest people in society, and ensure our safety.
They deserve good pay.

There may be many issues with high ranking decision makers, with policies, corruption...
But I don't think this protest is about them.

F1fan

Anyone else fed up of the Gardai whinging about pay?


No

dwayneshintzy

Kannon Scarce Rumor wrote: »

Im more sick of teachers whinging about pay

Why, what do you think a newly qualified primary or secondary school teacher should be paid?

worded

I heard a funny one

I'd you want to contact all the landlords in Ireland just put an ad in the monthly Garda gazette mag

Atari Jaguar

doc11 wrote: »

yeah yeah yeah, what about the gardai who sit safely in their stations all day doing crosswords. The majority are desk based. Risk of Death? you do like the drama. 63k for an average guard plus pension after 30 years is amazing. How much do you think a guard should be paid?

:rolleyes: yeah Gardai don't risk death going out and dealing with the worst scum Ireland has to offer. Get a grip. They don't even have bulletproof vests.

diomed

bubblypop wrote: »

You hardly think a Garda gets all these allowances

I think adults reading the list will realise it is a list of allowances.
If I posted a list of everything in a supermarket people would know that it is what the shopping population buys, not something that one person buys.

TheDoc

12 guards recently turned up at a neighbouring house, to execute something to do with a traffic violation. 12 guards....12

When asked why there was 12 Guards at the house (owner known as a friendly, community oriented gentleman) the response was " Christmas overtime sure". No arrest that anyone could see, pretty much just a service of a ticket or something. Me and other neighbours were in absolute shock, and some of us made it clear what we thought about the total waste of resources.

I've a certain aspect of that I sick of the moaning. Their gravy train is coming to an end, like so many of the public sector now that there is the realisation most public sector areas are ran so criminally they need tightening up and efficiency drives.

I havn't been directly involved with a Guard in terms of an incident in over 15 years, but have from time to time in the last 4 years being witness to some stuff. Of course I'd never tarnish everyone with the same brush, but there feels to me like a shift in the general attitude of younger guards coming out of templemore. Witnessed some absolutely horrific brutality this year that was just toally out of order. I would be one that would actually applaud someone getting knocked around when they are out of order, and think there is too many shams on then go these days, but some of the stuff I saw this year was incredible. Total escalation of a situation that you would assume training would outline how to diffuse.

I wonder if the water protest stuff has changed the dynamic and the thought process in the general rank and file when it comes to the wider public, especially in certain "areas" where maybe some water protest stuff went on.

Anyway, know enough Guards who are in the mid stage of their career, and to me it sounds just like so many of public sector workers. Trying to corner off the gravy train that is coming to an end, as governments or departments realise there is pure waste going on and there is ways to trim the fat and be more efficent.

Don't have much sympathy for new recruits, as you should have your eyes open when going in. It's like junior doctors annoyed or "distraught" at the long working hours. Like you didn't know this before you decided on the career. And like Doctors, Guardaí have some pretty nice stuff to look forward to as they progress in their career. Allowances, more allowances and then a pension that most private sector workers would love.

So you go through some tough times starting off? Sorry but tough ****, welcome to life and the real world, where you need to grind your way and graft your way through it if you want to be succesfull or provide. Too many people nowadays with expectations of things being handed to them as "entitlement"

ceegee

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They were walking around the carpark today in blanch shopping centre checking windows, now - I've no issue with them having checkpoints or catching people on the road that shouldn't be on the roads, but you'd think they'd have more to be worrying about than walking around a carpark collecting revenue given the state of the country at the minute with people being shot at, mugged, and burgled

There are loads of reports every year in the run up to Christmas of peoples shopping being robbed from cars in big shopping centres. I'd imagine they were as much there for crime prevention reasons as they were checking tax/insurance

worded

ceegee wrote: »

There are loads of reports every year in the run up to Christmas of peoples shopping being robbed from cars in big shopping centres. I'd imagine they were as much there for crime prevention reasons as they were checking tax/insurance

If the figures for car tax fines are up Im sure its used as a bargaining chip / justification with the govt to raise pay.

If this type of fish in a barrel tax fines activity in Shopping centres carparks has never been seen before, why are we seeing it now?

ActingDanClark

ceegee wrote: »

There are loads of reports every year in the run up to Christmas of peoples shopping being robbed from cars in big shopping centres. I'd imagine they were as much there for crime prevention reasons as they were checking tax/insurance

Guards don't give tickets in shopping centre carparks

super_furry

Gardai are already well paid. They're the best paid workers in the public service and their average pays is 50% higher than other public workers.

The average take-home pay for Gardai across the force last year was €63,450, and now after their strike vote, they're going to get another massive bump.

PANDDDKP

I know a good few guards, some whinge and some don't... I accept it's a hard job at times, and the hours are ****ty..

But their wage is good!! I've yet to meet a guard who isn't married, has his/her own house, good cars at the door, holidays every year, has the best of stuff and they still save money...

They get days off no problem, always someone else to cover for them, they'll still get paid.. If they take sick - no problem- they get paid... They get paid every week on the button, and they'll get a handsome pension when they retire. They have it handy and they should just accept they do..

super_furry

If you factor in their hugely generous pension - they can retire aged 55 with their full pension after 30 years service - the value of payments to the average guard last year was in excess of €100,000.

Calhoun

super_furry wrote: »

Gardai are already well paid. They're the best paid workers in the public service and their average pays is 50% higher than other public workers.

The average take-home pay for Gardai across the force last year was €63,450, and now after their strike vote, they're going to get another massive bump.

Let's not talk to reports of recent days which speak to that average pay or with pension entitlements they are actually on over 100.

The poor little lambs their job is obviously to serve the pocket first before the community. Maybe a harsh opinion but the whole illegal proposed strikes really and carry on of their trade union really has soured my view of them. I always knew they served themselves but gave them benefit of the doubt as it's always though job.

wingbacknr5

And every media report on their pay states that "Garda morale is said to be at an all time low".

I have never heard it said that Garda morale is on the increase.

Who is measuring this, have they a morale-ometer or something.

Grayson

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Why, what do you think a newly qualified primary or secondary school teacher should be paid?

Personally I think 25-30k. That should be fine for a new graduate who's 23 years old. Put in decent yearly increases so after 5 years they can have another 10k.

I'd say the same for gardai but also put in a bonus if they have undergraduate degrees that are relevant qualifications.

The problem isn't how much they're paid but rather the fact that in certain parts of the country it's so expensive to rent. That affects everyone, not just civil servants, So the three solutions are
1) Increase civil servant pay for everyone.
2) Increase it for people living in Dublin.
3) solve the rent crises.

I'd be in favour of the last option. Without that it may be necessary to give people living in cities rent supplements.

Ted111

wingbacknr5 wrote: »

And every media report on their pay states that "Garda morale is said to be at an all time low".

Similar to a&es and/or nursing staff in a&es who are perpetually at "Breaking Point"!
Although it never actually breaks?
Just hovers at breaking point.
What actually happens when it breaks?

Slydice

Slydice wrote: »

Not really...

****ing rents these days are mad. Average rent in Dublin is almost a grand a month.

What do Gardai earn startin?
http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=12252

Let's skip to the year 1: €25,727
after basic tax..
http://taxcalc.ie/
that's €21,618

So like.. what's that less a grand a month. It's 21,618-12000 = 9,618

so each week that's: 184.......................

Can't young AGS in their first year working house share like most other young professionals?

Apprentice accountants in the big4 manage away on sh1t money

Atari Jaguar

Augeo wrote: »

Can't young AGS in their first year working house share like most other young professionals?

Apprentice accountants in the big4 manage away on sh1t money

Implying house shares in Dublin aren't crazy money also.
And I'm sure that their housemates would be delighted with them walking in from work at god knows what hour of the morning if they end up doing night shifts.

Water John

Is it now an imposition to house share with somebody on shift work?
That must really qualify as a first world problem.

Atari Jaguar

Atari Jaguar wrote: »

Implying house shares in Dublin aren't crazy money also.
And I'm sure that their housemates would be delighted with them walking in from work at god knows what hour of the morning if they end up doing night shifts.

I did shift work myself, my housemates weren't bothered. One is mindful when coming in late.