Anyone else fed up of the Gardai whinging about pay?

Calhoun

Grayson wrote: »

Personally I think 25-30k. That should be fine for a new graduate who's 23 years old. Put in decent yearly increases so after 5 years they can have another 10k.

I'd say the same for gardai but also put in a bonus if they have undergraduate degrees that are relevant qualifications.

The problem isn't how much they're paid but rather the fact that in certain parts of the country it's so expensive to rent. That affects everyone, not just civil servants, So the three solutions are
1) Increase civil servant pay for everyone.
2) Increase it for people living in Dublin.
3) solve the rent crises.

I'd be in favour of the last option. Without that it may be necessary to give people living in cities rent supplements.

I can tell you this most Guards i know dont live uncomfortably and up until recent years were always guaranteed a nice old loan from the credit union or from the banks as they were in a very secure job with decent wage.

The factors which have changed are exactly as you have called out above and dont just impact young gaurds but everyone in society. The difference is not everyone can retire at 50 with the type of pension they get, which they do deserve but they need to stop the poor mouth crap.

jetsonx

Calhoun wrote: »

The factors which have changed are exactly as you have called out above and dont just impact young gaurds but everyone in society. The difference is not everyone can retire at 50 with the type of pension they get, which they do deserve but they need to stop the poor mouth crap.

Well said.

With their poor service, poor mouth and amazing arrogance in dealing with the citizens about this country I am not surprised public sentiment is largely against them.

Maybe we could set-up a second police force in this country, AGS could do the all the easy stuff like parking fines, drug patrols at rock concerts, shopping centre patrols and a proper force could actually do the hard strategic crime fighting stuff?

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

12 guards recently turned up at a neighbouring house, to execute something to do with a traffic violation. 12 guards....12

When asked why there was 12 Guards at the house (owner known as a friendly, community oriented gentleman) the response was " Christmas overtime sure". No arrest that anyone could see, pretty much just a service of a ticket or something. Me and other neighbours were in absolute shock, and some of us made it clear what we thought about the total waste of resources.

I've a certain aspect of that I sick of the moaning. Their gravy train is coming to an end, like so many of the public sector now that there is the realisation most public sector areas are ran so criminally they need tightening up and efficiency drives.

I havn't been directly involved with a Guard in terms of an incident in over 15 years, but have from time to time in the last 4 years being witness to some stuff. Of course I'd never tarnish everyone with the same brush, but there feels to me like a shift in the general attitude of younger guards coming out of templemore. Witnessed some absolutely horrific brutality this year that was just toally out of order. I would be one that would actually applaud someone getting knocked around when they are out of order, and think there is too many shams on then go these days, but some of the stuff I saw this year was incredible. Total escalation of a situation that you would assume training would outline how to diffuse.

I wonder if the water protest stuff has changed the dynamic and the thought process in the general rank and file when it comes to the wider public, especially in certain "areas" where maybe some water protest stuff went on.

Anyway, know enough Guards who are in the mid stage of their career, and to me it sounds just like so many of public sector workers. Trying to corner off the gravy train that is coming to an end, as governments or departments realise there is pure waste going on and there is ways to trim the fat and be more efficent.

Don't have much sympathy for new recruits, as you should have your eyes open when going in. It's like junior doctors annoyed or "distraught" at the long working hours. Like you didn't know this before you decided on the career. And like Doctors, Guardaí have some pretty nice stuff to look forward to as they progress in their career. Allowances, more allowances and then a pension that most private sector workers would love.

So you go through some tough times starting off? Sorry but tough ****, welcome to life and the real world, where you need to grind your way and graft your way through it if you want to be succesfull or provide. Too many people nowadays with expectations of things being handed to them as "entitlement"

Tbf, your upstanding community activists neighbour isn't going to tell you that he is wanted for something is he?
Or that one of his family is wanted for some serious offence...

Sam Kade

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm fed up reading threads about people whinging about other people whinging. Is that close enough?

But you are whinging about people whinging about people whinging, which makes you no better than them

Calhoun

Sam Kade wrote: »

But you are whinging about people whinging about people whinging, which makes you no better than them

As far as we know he isn't costing the tax payer 100k a year and delivering a piss poor service in return but also acting like spoilt little security gaurds as opposed to a professional police force.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Calhoun wrote: »

I can tell you this most Guards i know dont live uncomfortably and up until recent years were always guaranteed a nice old loan from the credit union or from the banks as they were in a very secure job with decent wage.

What good is a loan if you're on rubbish money to pay it back?

I dunno lads, I've dealt with a few arseholes of Gardaí, but there's always a few no matter where you go. The bottom line is that these people are paid poorly for doing a job I know I certainly wouldn't do, taking abuse from scumbags and drunk, arrogant fools who think they know more about the law than the cops themselves, working long shifts, weekends, over Christmas, telling distraught families their loved one is dead, being assaulted, spat at, dealing with the scene of accident and countless other horrible duties. All for a wage most people would snot at.

And pension entitlements me arse, we haven't a clue what's coming down the line in this country in that regard......

Calhoun

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

What good is a loan if you're on rubbish money to pay it back?

I dunno lads, I've dealt with a few arseholes of Gardaí, but there's always a few no matter where you go. The bottom line is that these people are paid poorly for doing a job I know I certainly wouldn't do, taking abuse from scumbags and drunk, arrogant fools who think they know more about the law than the cops themselves, working long shifts, weekends, over Christmas, telling distraught families their loved one is dead, being assaulted, spat at, dealing with the scene of accident and countless other horrible duties. All for a wage most people would snot at.

And pension entitlements me arse, we haven't a clue what's coming down the line in this country in that regard......

Who said they are on poor money? the details in the thread would counter this but lets go along with your way of thinking if they were getting a loan on a small wage which is more than most of the general public would get they were getting it from their own credit union so they had to have reasonable rates to pay it back.

Sure its a though job which is why we pay them on average 65K a year or 100K if you include the pensions which is the point. That's the point of this thread, you dont just get a blank cheque or are not open to critism because things might be a little bit hard in your role. Putting them on a pedestal is the wrong thing to do in this country, they should be treated with respect but its a two way street and actions like last month shouldnt have happened considering their pay.

As for the pension i agree with you things look bleak in the future but its not gone yet and we still pay it. I can also guarantee it wont go without a fight and services for the general public will be hindered in order to push it down the road as long as possible.

Mountainsandh

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

What good is a loan if you're on rubbish money to pay it back?

I dunno lads, I've dealt with a few arseholes of Gardaí, but there's always a few no matter where you go. The bottom line is that these people are paid poorly for doing a job I know I certainly wouldn't do, taking abuse from scumbags and drunk, arrogant fools who think they know more about the law than the cops themselves, working long shifts, weekends, over Christmas, telling distraught families their loved one is dead, being assaulted, spat at, dealing with the scene of accident and countless other horrible duties. All for a wage most people would snot at.

And pension entitlements me arse, we haven't a clue what's coming down the line in this country in that regard......

+ 1
And for those asking what happens after nurses or guards reach "breaking point", or when the morale is low, well... look around you : at hospitals, where nurses work their backsides off to keep the show on the road with less resources, and more and more patients on trolleys ; at the amount of road deaths this year, and the levels of crime. What happens when services are at breaking point is that people suffer.
Both service providers, and people on the receiving end.

I get as pIssed off as anyone at speed checks locations, and even worse at tax checks that seem to serve no purpose other than collecting revenue but ... I don't believe it's the young guy who just joined the guards who decides what calls he goes out on. I'm guessing they just do as they're told, and the decision makers are not the ones on the lower salary scales.

I'm only guessing, so if someone knows for a fact that each individual guard chooses freely what he's going to do that week, check tax, work at the desk, or prevent crime in the street, set me right.

I think across the board services are suffering from the (at times deliberate) ignorance of decision makers.

Grayson

Mountainsandh wrote: »

+ 1
And for those asking what happens after nurses or guards reach "breaking point", or when the morale is low, well... look around you : at hospitals, where nurses work their backsides off to keep the show on the road with less resources, and more and more patients on trolleys ; at the amount of road deaths this year, and the levels of crime. What happens when services are at breaking point is that people suffer.
Both service providers, and people on the receiving end.

I get as pIssed off as anyone at speed checks locations, and even worse at tax checks that seem to serve no purpose other than collecting revenue but ... I don't believe it's the young guy who just joined the guards who decides what calls he goes out on. I'm guessing they just do as they're told, and the decision makers are not the ones on the lower salary scales.

I'm only guessing, so if someone knows for a fact that each individual guard chooses freely what he's going to do that week, check tax, work at the desk, or prevent crime in the street, set me right.

I think across the board services are suffering from the (at times deliberate) ignorance of decision makers.

The solution to that isn't to throw money at the staff. That would work in the short term but in the end it'll make no difference. Yes, they should be paid fairly but increasing pay is no substitute for creating better conditions or a more effective structure.


btw, I think he means the new guy doesn't decide what he does but he does decide to be a prick when doing it.

Skommando

Guards is shyte job, running around after skangers all day

Joshua J

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard. Ain't no one hand-wringing to get them a raise.

Skommando

Joshua J wrote: »

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard.

Fantasy

The Rape of Lucretia

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes **** dont know a good thing when they have it. Their ******* claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing ***** paid allowances for everything bar ****** scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

Skommando

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes dont know a good thing when they have it. Their claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing allowances for every thing bar scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

Would you be 'known' to the Gardai by any chance ?

diomed

wingbacknr5 wrote: »

And every media report on their pay states that "Garda morale is said to be at an all time low".
I have never heard it said that Garda morale is on the increase.
Who is measuring this, have they a morale-ometer or something.

Careful. You might make them cry.

Galwayguy35

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

No , never. The local Garda has to follow orders- if you don't break the law then it's not an issue .

Well you would say that, you lot are always whinging about pay as well.

Joshua J

Skommando wrote: »

Fantasy

The only fantasy is the one perpetuated by the Garda Unions that the average guard is living hand to mouth.

Skommando

Joshua J wrote: »

The only fantasy is the one perpetuated by the Garda Unions that the average guard is living hand to mouth.

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Abso ****ing lutely. ****ing overpaid ****s. Exploiting their ****ing privileged position. *****. Assholes **** dont know a good thing when they have it. Their ******* claim is a load of ****. It isnt even a claim. The only ****ing decision that could justly be made on their pay is to reduce it. ****ing ***** paid allowances for everything bar ****** scratching their arses. Cocksucking gob****es. Bullying the people of Ireland into paying them even more is ****ing extortion. Pissing all over us. ****ing ****s.

You will be delighted to know that the raise in salary starts in January then
😂

Skommando

Skommando wrote: »

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

Less income tax should be the order of the day. The money left in peoples pockets will be spent, much of it in the economy here. Win win for all really.

Except those on the scratch who will piss and moan, can't please everyone though :pac:

The Rape of Lucretia

bubblypop wrote: »

You will be delighted to know that the raise in salary starts in January then
😂

Well aint that just ****ing **** **** and ****ing great for them and **** for the rest of us. ****ing hell.

The Rape of Lucretia

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Well aint that just ****ing **** **** and ****ing great for them and **** for the rest of us. ****ing hell.

LOLZ

Joshua J

Skommando wrote: »

most working people are. higher wages for all ordinary people are badly needed.

Tbh I'm in favour of them getting a rise because the sooner this sorry excuse for a system collapses in on itself through greed the better.

Mantis Toboggan

What's the starting salary? Around 27000, probably 10000 over time also with a massive pension after 35 years!

Not bad considering they only do 6 months in templemore.

ED E

Tyson Fury wrote: »

What's the starting salary? Around 27000, probably 10000 over time also with a massive pension after 35 years!

Not bad considering they only do 6 months in templemore.

Minimum wage paid including trainees is over 30k.

Little CuChulainn

LexieOnRale wrote: »

They were walking around the carpark today in blanch shopping centre checking windows, now - I've no issue with them having checkpoints or catching people on the road that shouldn't be on the roads, but you'd think they'd have more to be worrying about than walking around a carpark collecting revenue given the state of the country at the minute with people being shot at, mugged, and burgled

This is the kind of retarded nonsense that makes these threads so pointless. Never in the history of the Gardaí has a member been sent to a carpark to look for cars with no tax. Blanchardstown Gardaí are so busy they rarely get a break in a 10 hour shift.

jetsonx wrote: »

If they were doing a decent job I would probably have some sympathy for them. But the fact they just seem more interested in doing low-hanging fruit police work means I just don’t have any pity for them. For example, setting up speed traps at the bottom of hills and going undercover at rock concerts to catch teenagers with spliffs just to get the conviction rates up is not proper policing. It's just shooting fish in a barrel.

Then I hear plenty of stories where offices and houses have been burgled and the caller was simply told they don’t have enough “resources” to send someone out. I mean WTF? That is what they are paid to do. And then there is the problem with violent gun crime in the country - a battle which our force seems to have given up on. I guess catching an 18-year old with a bit of dope at a rock concert and clocking up a conviction is a lot less hassle.

Speed traps are like myths on regular units. Even traffic units only get them done now and again. If it wasn't for the vans there'd be very few speeding tickets given out.

And the undercovers at festivals? Local drug units do this and they rarely number above four members. And they aren't undercover either, they are just in plain clothes. They can easily be spotted but people are so stupid they don't even look at the person they try sell to. Going undercover to buy drugs is a specialised area that requires months of training due to the dangers involved and there are only a handful of Gardaí that actually do this. Last time I went to a festival I saw three people openly dealing before I got from the carpark to the entrance. But they should be ignored because someone in Dublin has their house burgled? Such tripe.

Those gangland murders? A special task force was set up as well as an armed response unit. Over 50 Gardaí involved all dedicated the gangland violence.

TheDoc wrote: »

12 guards recently turned up at a neighbouring house, to execute something to do with a traffic violation. 12 guards....12

When asked why there was 12 Guards at the house (owner known as a friendly, community oriented gentleman) the response was " Christmas overtime sure". No arrest that anyone could see, pretty much just a service of a ticket or something. Me and other neighbours were in absolute shock, and some of us made it clear what we thought about the total waste of resources.

People will believe anything. 12 Gardaí to serve a ticket? On what universe is this a remotely plausible possibility? Do people even read what they are writing?

Mantis Toboggan

ED E wrote: »

Minimum wage paid including trainees is over 30k.

As I was saying good deal for the 6 months in college.

ED E

Tyson Fury wrote: »

As I was saying good deal for the 6 months in college.

Aye. Wouldn't use the term college for vocational training.

Mountainsandh

Grayson wrote: »

The solution to that isn't to throw money at the staff. That would work in the short term but in the end it'll make no difference. Yes, they should be paid fairly but increasing pay is no substitute for creating better conditions or a more effective structure.


btw, I think he means the new guy doesn't decide what he does but he does decide to be a prick when doing it.

Yeah I agree with you, throwing money at staff is not a solution.
Throwing money at "resources" in the broad sense of the term, and lowering taxes on people delivering services would be a much better option. And fixing issues like rents like you said.

It's not happening though, and instead all those delivering these services have to work harder, in worse conditions, with the clearest viewpoint on the mess created by lack of resources and the impossibility to counteract that.

So I don't get fed up with the claims for a better pay. We need people to provide services, and they're still doing in, albeit in dire conditions.

Mountainsandh

Joshua J wrote: »

You'd deal with more scobies on a daily basis working in LIDL than as a Guard. Ain't no one hand-wringing to get them a raise.

There is a difference between occasional contact with "scobies" in a retail situation, and enforcing laws and rules onto confrontational people who (mostly) hate you.