Aleppo

gitzy16v

Some real on the ground reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnTskvdYi0

Another truth journalist along with eva bartlett.

HensVassal

Gringo180 wrote: »

Is there a big Chinese presence in Syria?

There isn't. But there was a large presence in Libya until NATO smashed the place.

Don't be so glib with your questions. The Chinese have been bullsh1tted and betrayed in Africa and they are not going to play any more ball will the lying sacks in NATO.

China wants to assert it power in the sea off its coast. Why would the US want to have a problem with this 10,000 miles from California?

cameramonkey

prinzeugen wrote: »

They are laser guided.

The last free fall bombs dropped in anger by the RAF fell out a Vulcan over Port Stanley in 1982. All bombs used since have had some sort of laser designation/guidance.

This is a total falsehood. I don't know if the British still use unguided bombs but they have used them for many years after 1982.

J Mysterio

This is a great article:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmauldin/2016/02/23/7-maps-that-explain-the-middle-east/#2c324bba3c4f

Gatling

cameramonkey wrote: »

This is a total falsehood. I don't know if the British still use unguided bombs but they have used them for many years after 1982.

If I remember correctly by the early 90s they mainly switched to guided weapons due to having no dedicated bombers ,
The did have various cluster bombs for hitting airfields and roads though,
They had to keep up appearances for the "Special Relationship"

Elmer Blooker

I heard RTE this morning calling the foreign jihadist mercenaries who were kicked out of Aleppo "fighters". This got me thinking, if there is another Paris/Brussels type terrorist outrage what will the perpetrators be called?
fighters? rebels? opposition? moderates?

jmayo

archer22 wrote: »

...
There is something very strange and hard to fathom going on now..seems to be a policy of create Chaos, manage Chaos, profit from Chaos

Chaos overseas sells weapons, one of the most profitable businesses on the planet.
Chaos overseas allows enemy non compliant rulers to be removed and replaced with compliant friendly rulers i.e. regime change.

Chaos at home allows stringent invasive new laws to be introduced to control the native population.
Introduction of migrants dilutes the native population, allows cheap labour and diverts attention from real issues.

It is all one big game.

HensVassal wrote: »

There isn't. But there was a large presence in Libya until NATO smashed the place.

Don't be so glib with your questions. The Chinese have been bullsh1tted and betrayed in Africa and they are not going to play any more ball will the lying sacks in NATO.

China wants to assert it power in the sea off its coast. Why would the US want to have a problem with this 10,000 miles from California?

Ehh come on now don't pretend that china is somehow the innocent one in this, just because you are having a pop at US.

The problem is that China want to claim territorial waters that Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam also claim.
And why ?
Would it have anything to do with resources.

They want to extend their reach right up to these other countries and if was not for the US, China would roll right over these smaller states.

And in Africa the Chinese are basically almost recolonising parts of it.
Yeah they build new roads, airports or harbours, but those new infrastructure are basically so that they can get resources and goods out and people in.
Most of the ones working in there sites are Chinese with a few low paid jobs going to the locals.

BTW just as another example of how US government and it's institutions can't be trusted was evidenced by how they allowed firearms be trafficed out of US to the Sinaloa Cartel in Mexico.
There was program on RTE last night about it. Sometimes they actually do have interesting stuff.

Through Operation Fast and Furious operated by ATF out of Arizona gun dealers were coerced to help in "gunwalking" and field officers monitoring this traffic were prevented from apprehending suspects.
The lid blew on it due to ATF whistleblower after a border patrol agent was killed in gunfight by Sinaloa cartel hit team in desert with a US sourced gun.

It turned out the guys organising the buying of the guns were FBI funded informants.
A top ranking Sinaloa cartel member was never put on trial in US because he admitted that he had been given immunity when meeting with US authorities in order to give information on other cartels.
This relationship had been going on for ten odd years.
National security was cited why a sinaloa cartel lawyer who acted as go between could not be questioned in court.

Because the dept of justice refused to release documents linked to the whole gunwalking scandal, Attorney General Eric Holder became the first sitting member of the Cabinet of the United States to be held in contempt of Congress on June 28, 2012.

And the real kicker is the much vaunted great hope Obama had invoked executive privilege for the first time in his presidency over the same documents.

This is what the US government is capable of so please don't ever think they won't do a backdoor deal even with the likes of ISIS if it suits their goals.

scopper

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

I heard RTE this morning calling the foreign jihadist mercenaries who were kicked out of Aleppo "fighters". This got me thinking, if there is another Paris/Brussels type terrorist outrage what will the perpetrators be called?
fighters? rebels? opposition? moderates?

Sunni militia men covers most of them so maybe this would work.

Widdershins

I wonder what will happen with this idea? Nobody can tell me conscription can never be a good thing anyway

IDF Reservist Officer Calls on Netanyahu to Dispatch Israeli Soldiers to End the Bloodshed in Aleppo: ‘We’re Prepared to Kill and Be Killed, to Stop the Massacre’

https://www.algemeiner.com/2016/12/15/idf-reservist-officer-calls-on-netanyahu-to-dispatch-israeli-soldiers-to-end-the-bloodshed-in-aleppo-were-prepared-to-kill-and-be-killed-to-stop-the-massacre/

pumpkin4life

Nassim Taleb (black swan guy) weighs in on Syria:

https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/809030025517432832

J Mysterio

The US have backed the wrong horse again. I honestly dont understand them, the EU and all the rest of the civilised West.

The newspapers and news outlets are hard to read here with all the Anti Assad, pro Rebel stuff. Full of bombast and hysteria. Really ill-considered stuff.

Gatling

Widdershins wrote: »

I wonder what will happen with this idea? Nobody can tell me conscription can never be a good thing anyway

IDF Reservist Officer Calls on Netanyahu to Dispatch Israeli Soldiers to End the Bloodshed in Aleppo: ‘We’re Prepared to Kill and Be Killed, to Stop the Massacre’

Get the feeling if isreal wanted to get involved there's not a lot anyone could do ,wether it be Assad or russian or Iranians or hizbollah ,
They would wipe the floor but only if they choose to .

Widdershins

Gatling wrote: »

Get the feeling if isreal wanted to get involved there's not a lot anyone could do ,wether it be Assad or russian or Iranians or hizbollah ,
They would wipe the floor but only if they choose to .

Well the general consensus just among my own Israeli friends is that Israel COULD fight Syria, Russia, and Iran, and win.

But some think the cost for Israel would in many ways be far too high.

I don't know...horrible, horrible situation in Aleppo

osmiumartist

Widdershins wrote: »

Well the general consensus just among my own Israeli friends is that Israel COULD fight Syria, Russia, and Iran, and win.

But some think the cost for Israel would in many ways be far too high.

I don't know...horrible, horrible situation in Aleppo

You're kidding? I know they would probably do OK for a while at least in a conventional ground battle, but once the war starts they're, what, 20 to 1 down on nukes? They'd be a sheet of dusty glass in 24 hours.

osmiumartist

Gatling wrote: »

Get the feeling if isreal wanted to get involved there's not a lot anyone could do ,wether it be Assad or russian or Iranians or hizbollah ,
They would wipe the floor but only if they choose to .

The Israelis have the best gear and men, but come on. Facing Russia with Iran and Syria onside is utter suicide.

Gatling

osmiumartist wrote: »

The Israelis have the best gear and men, but come on. Facing Russia with Iran and Syria onside is utter suicide.

They wouldn't be facing them on their own would they , they have there own friends in high places as we all very well know ,
What's Iran going to so steam across syria hoping they don't get annilated in a few hours ,
Syria has no army or navy that leaves russia to fight with limited resources in the area and they won't go nuclear either

Widdershins

osmiumartist wrote: »

The Israelis have the best gear and men, but come on. Facing Russia with Iran and Syria onside is utter suicide.

I think so too. Also, would it not spark off something very serious.

osmiumartist

Widdershins wrote: »

I think so too. Also, would it not spark off something very serious.

No way the US would stay out. Slightly less chance when Trump is in.

...And Justice

Why doesn't anyone get this? The war in Syria is over because the transition of power has begun, the Clinton, bushes and the arm's industry are out, trump is in and I guarantee he will pledge to rebuild Syria( with his own company) Billions to be made in construction there.

So much shíte in the news today that you don't know what to believe, 6 other countries apparently hacked the US not Russia.

More shíte from the Democrats.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Why doesn't anyone get this? The war in Syria is over because the transition of power has begun

When did that happen Assad has already publicly stated he's staying till 2021 at least ,
he will runs in the next election after that against himself

Hande hoche!

Gatling wrote: »

When did that happen Assad has already publicly stated he's staying till 2021 at least ,
he will runs in the next election after that against himself

Probably referring to the incoming Trump administration.

prinzeugen

Gatling wrote: »

If I remember correctly by the early 90s they mainly switched to guided weapons due to having no dedicated bombers ,
The did have various cluster bombs for hitting airfields and roads though,
They had to keep up appearances for the "Special Relationship"

The cluster bombs (JP something, something airfield denial weapons) are banned now.

Tornados had Jaguars as target designators in the first Gulf war and even today, Typhoons carry the weapons but still need Tornados to "mark the target" until the Typhoons are upgraded.

And in the first gulf war it was bombs dropped aircraft guided by infrared not laser..

Plenty of footage from then and in Bosnia of the RAF or RN dropping "ballistic" bombs with accuracy.

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

When did that happen Assad has already publicly stated he's staying till 2021 at least ,
he will runs in the next election after that against himself

Yeah he's a dentist, that ran one of the financial centres of the middle east until the axis of evil came into force. The war is over. Sky is now asking questions now that a trump supporter has bought them fully out. Stick to the fake news gatling

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Yeah he's a dentist, that ran one of the financial centres of the middle east until the axis of evil came into force. The war is over. Stick to the fake news gatling

So no there's no transition of power and the war is far from over ,

And dentist to butcher he obviously learnt the family trade ,

What fake news exactly

osmiumartist

Gatling wrote: »

So no there's no transition of power and the war is far from over ,

And dentist to butcher he obviously learnt the family trade ,

What fake news exactly

Nobody believes that rubbish any more. One million lies too many and the house of cards fell down.
Unless Israel want to start WW3 then Syria (and Russia) have won. Aleppo will be cleared on headchoppers and (a pretty lousy version of) democracy will be restored.

...And Justice

osmiumartist wrote: »

Nobody believes that rubbish any more. One million lies too many and the house of cards fell down.
Unless Israel want to start WW3 then Syria (and Russia) have won. Aleppo will be cleared on headchoppers and (a pretty lousy version of) democracy will be restored.

Yeah these white helmet rescuers are reformed ISIS, prícks that know the air drops of American weapons from Saudi are gone. Real reports from the ground suggests that the war is over .

Gatling

osmiumartist wrote: »

Nobody believes that rubbish any more.

Your the one who said the transition of power has begun the war is over ,

The war is not over not by any stretch of imagination ,where do people get this nonsense Sputnik

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

Your the one who said the transition of power has begun the war is over ,

The war is not over not by any stretch of imagination ,where do people get this nonsense Sputnik

Sorry but your a bit touched if you can't see the Carlyle group reversing out and corridors being made for the war to end. Trump has no affiliation with the arms industry, I think that instead of war's for resources well see sharing resources between Russia and the US. Trump has it in for the Chinese though.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Sorry but your

So you got caught telling lies and now your typically trying to attack me ,
While claiming something about fake news but you and you only posted a fake story ,

Keep on digging .

...And Justice

...And Justice wrote: »

Sorry but your a bit touched if you can't see the Carlyle group reversing out and corridors being made for the war to end. Trump has no affiliation with the arms industry, I think that instead of war's for resources well see sharing resources between Russia and the US. Trump has it in for the Chinese though.

Somehow, I think that it will be very hard for any US & or many western countries based construction firms to get contracts to rebuild Syria.
Especially when you consider that those countries backed the losing side.

Having said that, while one phase of the war is over (the war between the "moderates" & Assad) the next is ramping up, Turkey against the Kurds and if that means that Turkey backs ISIS then they will.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Sorry but your

So you got caught telling lies and now your typically trying to attack me ,
While claiming something about fake news but you and you only posted a fake story ,

Keep on digging .

Couldn't make this up .

Ohh wait you actually did.

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

So you got caught telling lies and now your typically trying to attack me ,
While claiming something about fake news but you and you only posted a fake story ,

Keep on digging .

Couldn't make this up .

Ohh wait you actually did.

You're post is full of holes.

What lies?


I'll give you time to scrambling on the web to post your "here see I told ya" grow up and look at what is actually going on in the world.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Why doesn't anyone get this? The war in Syria is over because the transition of power has begun

Lol fake .

While crying fake news stories that nobody's posted

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

Lol fake .

While crying fake news stories that nobody's posted

Pure búll****e and you know it. Are you making this up?

By the way, quote the actual post, not the bit you want out of it to skew the argument.

...And Justice

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Somehow, I think that it will be very hard for any US & or many western countries based construction firms to get contracts to rebuild Syria.
Especially when you consider that those countries backed the losing side.

Having said that, while one phase of the war is over (the war between the "moderates" & Assad) the next is ramping up, Turkey against the Kurds and if that means that Turkey backs ISIS then they will.

ISIS are the white helmet guys helping people now that the American military are not doing weapons drops anymore. The Saudi government has put a stop to it because of trump, coincidence? Me bóllocks

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Pure búll****e and you know it. Are you making this up?

By the way, quote the actual post,

But ,but ,but

Face it you shot yourself in the foot and now like several others who did the same decided rather than admit you messed up by posting a fake story ,
Your trying to have an unsuccessful go at me ,

I didn't post one news story in this thread ,
I'll leave the fake news to Sputnik and rt news

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

But ,but ,but

Face it you shot yourself in the foot and now like several others who did the same decided rather than admit you messed up by posting a fake story ,
Your trying to have an unsuccessful go at me ,

I didn't post one news story in this thread ,
I'll leave the fake news to Sputnik and rt news

You're post is full of it.

Gringo180

Gatling wrote: »

I didn't post one news story in this thread ,
I'll leave the fake news to Sputnik and rt news

You also dont back up your "facts" with any evidence whatsoever.

You have little or no credibility in threads that has anything got to do with Russia because your blinded by your hate of Putin.

You would rather Syria be handed over to the heart eating rebels than there democratically elected government. Your a hypocrite of the worst kind.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

You're post is full of

What you claimed .

Seriously it's that simple

Gatling

Gringo180 wrote: »

You also dont back up your "facts" with any evidence whatsoever.

You have little or no credibility in threads that has anything got to do with Russia because your blinded by your hate of Putin.

Show me where I hate Putin don't think I've ever said hate on here .
I've yet to be proven wrong on the subject ,
so it's a simple case gringo put up or shut up

osmiumartist

Gatling wrote: »

Show me where I hate Putin don't think I've ever said hate on here .
I've yet to be proven wrong on the subject ,
so it's a simple case gringo put up or shut up

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94871637&postcount=25

Gatling wrote: »

I hate Putin

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

Show me where I hate Putin don't think I've ever said hate on here .
I've yet to be proven wrong on the subject ,
so it's a simple case gringo put up or shut up

Deer in the headlights. You can't produce facts so do one.

Junkyard Tom

Gatling is having his 'Tom Clancy school of US foreign relations' diploma shat on constantly and he's having difficulty coming to terms with reality.

...And Justice

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Gatling is having his 'Tom Clancy school of US foreign relations' diploma shat on constantly and he's having difficulty coming to terms with reality.

Spot on buddy, spot on.....

Gatling

osmiumartist wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=94871637&postcount=25

I hate Putin's bully boy corrupt bigotry .
He who demands he personally gets to decide the fate of the Ukrainian people .

Do try harder

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Deer in the headlights. You can't produce facts so do one.

Shall I keep repeating your little story the 'Fake One "

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

'Fake One "

Ah here,that was awful funny(own medicine)...keep it up lads,great stuff.
Anyone see the Vanessa Beeley video,another on the truth side...self funded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgnTskvdYi0

...And Justice

Gatling wrote: »

Shall I keep repeating your little story the 'Fake One "

Just keep throwing out the fake label, you have nothing to back up anything.

Gatling

...And Justice wrote: »

Just keep throwing out the fake label,

Your story not mine ,

I didn't post a fake story then cry about fake stories .

Irony at it's best

gitzy16v

Gatling wrote: »

Your story not mine ,

Did you watch Vanessa Beeley...does she work for RT too?