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Killer Robots

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  • #212
    Rubecula
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    Fathom wrote: »
    Elon Musk calls for ban on killer robots before ‘weapons of terror’ are unleashed.
    I can not take him very seriously anyway to be honest, can you see the likes of China taking any interest in him?


  • #213
    Fathom
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    I can not take him very seriously anyway to be honest, can you see the likes of China taking any interest in him?
    His public expressions lately have been different. Plus the flame thrower sales were odd.


  • #214
    Black Swan
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    Fathom wrote: »
    His public expressions lately have been different. Plus the flame thrower sales were odd.

    Promises never to make killer robots.


  • #215
    Rubecula
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Promises never to make killer robots.

    anyone can convert them all you need to do is make them capable of pulling a trigger.....


  • #216
    Fathom
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    anyone can convert them all you need to do is make them capable of pulling a trigger.....
    Robotics expands. Someday THEY will shake your hand. Pull trigger too?


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  • #217
    Black Swan
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    An "anatomically correct" Scarlett Johansson robot. A bit slow, mechanical, and no way ready for a 1st date, but in 10 to 20 years? Will she pack a pistol in her night bag to fend off robbers? Master taekwondo in the time it takes to download programme? Or play the role of Red Sparrow in the next political game?

    5 Most Beautiful LifeLike Robots Ever Created.

    Soft robotics a rapidly developing field.


  • #218
    Rubecula
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    An "anatomically correct" Scarlett Johansson robot. A bit slow, mechanical, and no way ready for a 1st date, but in 10 to 20 years? Will she pack a pistol in her night bag to fend off robbers? Master taekwondo in the time it takes to download programme? Or play the role of Red Sparrow in the next political game?

    5 Most Beautiful LifeLike Robots Ever Created.

    Soft robotics a rapidly developing field.

    I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.


  • #219
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.
    Uncanny Valley.


  • #220
    Fathom
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    I may be alone in this, but there was nothing beautiful about them at all.
    In a couple decades of R&D?


  • #221
    Black Swan
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    Fathom wrote: »
    In a couple decades of R&D?
    Will female gender androids be more prolific than male?


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  • #222
    Rubecula
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Will female gender androids be more prolific than male?

    almost certainly


  • #223
    Black Swan
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    almost certainly
    Why?


  • #224
    Rubecula
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    gender specific weirdo stuff


  • #225
    Zulu
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Why?
    You need to ask?


  • #226
    Black Swan
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    gender specific weirdo stuff
    Not legions of male killer robots as in Star Wars?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yys5iioLUNw


  • #227
    Rubecula
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    they are clones not robots lol
    but point taken on that score. sadly I can not equate gender with machinery for some reason no matter what it looks like.


  • #228
    Black Swan
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    they are clones not robots lol
    but point taken on that score. sadly I can not equate gender with machinery for some reason no matter what it looks like.

    Androids are the future methinks, rather than clones. Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!


  • #229
    Rubecula
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    I ould have thought cyborgs not androids myself, cyborgs are in reality already here.


  • #230
    Black Swan
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    I ould have thought cyborgs not androids myself, cyborgs are in reality already here.
    Perhaps. Then again, a shiny new soft robotics body with AI is new, unlike the ageing parts that we humans all encounter, even if having some of those parts replaced overtime.


  • #231
    Rubecula
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    constant replacements and upgrades may lead to a robotic person you mean?


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  • #232
    Black Swan
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    Rubecula wrote: »
    constant replacements and upgrades may lead to a robotic person you mean?
    Indeed. So why not start off with everything shiny new? Soft robotics is advancing quickly, and someday it may produce Blade Runner androids that cannot be easily differentiated from their human counterparts. Oops, sorry for the pun.


  • #233
    Rubecula
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Indeed. So why not start off with everything shiny new? Soft robotics is advancing quickly, and someday it may produce Blade Runner androids that cannot be easily differentiated from their human counterparts. Oops, sorry for the pun.

    I see cyborgs as evolution and androids as revolution I think. at least it seems that I do.


  • #234
    Fourier
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Androids are the future methinks, rather than clones. Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!
    That's only a sci-fi idea currently though, there's no indications from real science that it's remotely possible. Non-destructive scanning of neural tissue seems incredibly difficult, I'm not even aware of it being theoretical viable for any substance outside simple polymers.


  • #235
    Black Swan
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    Fourier wrote: »
    That's only a sci-fi idea currently though, there's no indications from real science that it's remotely possible. Non-destructive scanning of neural tissue seems incredibly difficult, I'm not even aware of it being theoretical viable for any substance outside simple polymers.

    Universities about the world are funded and advancing AI and soft robotics at an impressive pace. You might want to review some of the following scholarly sources?
    • Fumiya Iidaa and Cecilia Laschi (2011), Soft Robotics: Challenges and Perspectives, Procedia Computer Science, Volume 7, 2011, Pages 99-102.
    • Rolf Pfeifer, Rolf Pfeifer, and Fumiya Iidaa (2012), The challenges ahead for bio-inspired 'soft' robotics, Communications of the ACM, Volume 55 Issue 11, Pages 76-87.
    • Carmel Majidi (2014), Soft Robotics: A Perspective—Current Trends and Prospects for the Future, Soft Robotics VOL. 1, NO. 1.
    • Cecilia Laschi and Matteo Cianchetti (2014), Soft robotics: new perspectives for robot bodyware and control, Frontiers in Bioengineering and Biotechnology, published online.
    And a very readable magazine:
    • Matt Simon, The WIRED Guide to Robots: Everything you wanted to know about soft, hard, and nonmurderous automatons, WIRED 17 May 2018.


  • #236
    Fourier
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    When you say "all that is stored in the brain", do you mean the brain itself or the information?


  • #237
    Black Swan
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    Deep reinforcement learning of declarative and procedural knowledge as a path to artificial general intelligence in terms of how it mirrors human learning by exploring and receiving feedback from environment. Today's baby steps. Expanding not linearly, rather geometrically, with rapid and astounding developments occurring in the next couple decades integrating AGI with soft robotics and human interaction.


  • #238
    Capt'n Midnight
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Read a treading article about living forever by transferring all that is stored in the brain to a future AI robot. Scary!
    Like the argument for teleportation. What you get is a copy of the original. Something that behaves like you and has your memories. But you die.

    Also
    The European Parliament has passed a resolution calling for an international ban on so-called killer robots.


  • #239
    Black Swan
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    Also
    The European Parliament has passed a resolution calling for an international ban on so-called killer robots.

    Killer robots prevail.
    But some countries - including Israel, Russia, South Korea and the US - opposed new measures at the August meeting, saying that they wanted to explore potential "advantages" from autonomous weapons systems.


  • #240
    Fourier
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    Black Swan wrote: »
    Deep reinforcement learning of declarative and procedural knowledge as a path to artificial general intelligence in terms of how it mirrors human learning by exploring and receiving feedback from environment. Today's baby steps. Expanding not linearly, rather geometrically, with rapid and astounding developments occurring in the next couple decades integrating AGI with soft robotics and human interaction.
    Sorry I still don't understand. I know a bit about soft robotics, but I don't know of anything like the above that would allow transference. It wasn't clear from the papers above either. :o


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  • #241
    Black Swan
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    Fourier wrote: »
    Sorry I still don't understand. I know a bit about soft robotics, but I don't know of anything like the above that would allow transference. It wasn't clear from the papers above either. :o
    We may be addressing 2 or more things, and treating them as one? The treading article mentioned above (brain living forever) was a different topic from other posts that spoke to the rapid development of human-like robots (beautiful, etc.). Sorry for the confusion.


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