Occupy Nama: City property taken over to house homeless

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High court has given them till the 11th January.

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limnam wrote: »

you seem fixated on solution which not single person or organization can solve,thus even thou i dont disregard sheltering people for even short duration,but this fixes nothing.
Can only agree that coverage it gets might draw attention of those who have power to implement some changes to start helping those in dire need.

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scamalert wrote: »

you seem fixated on solution which not single person or organization can solve,thus even thou i dont disregard sheltering people for even short duration,but this fixes nothing.
Can only agree that coverage it gets might draw attention of those who have power to implement some changes to start helping those in dire need.

There's a huge storm due on Christmas Day. This might save the life of someone.

I'd say that it fixes "something".

It's not always about the long term goals, it's the short term gains that get us there are quite important too.

FixdePitchmark

bitburger wrote: »

So is Blasphemy, Abortion and Euthanasia, does that automatically make all of these wrong then?

Yes

The law is the law.

Phoebas

limnam wrote: »

So better directed how can you give us some ideas on what other direction.

Sure. Instead of directing resources at High Court legal fees, they would be better directed at providing actual services to rough sleepers.

DCC, for example, are directing €1m every week to homeless shelters.

20Cent

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes

The law is the law.

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

limnam

Phoebas wrote: »

Sure. Instead of directing resources at High Court legal fees, they would be better directed at providing actual services to rough sleepers.

DCC, for example, are directing €1m every week to homeless shelters.

Why did the simon community state earlier today there's not enough beds?

DCC spend 1m a week Yet the Simon community have drum up millions the SVDP have to drum up millions. We're paying millions to hotels and B and B's

What do you want to do just keep throwing money at it?

Why are people still dieing of cold on out streets with 1 million a week been spent on shelters?

What's not working? what would diverting money to DCC or simon have changed?

Gatling

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

FixdePitchmark

20Cent wrote: »

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

Yes but trespass and property is a right we all hold tight to our hearts in Ireland.

Someone who sends someone into an unsound building - knows very little about buildings.

Someone who gathers crowds at an unsound derelict building - needs the law to help protect them and their misguided crowd.

FixdePitchmark

Gatling wrote: »

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

A secret shelter - about as useful as a chocolate tea pot.

limnam

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

A secret shelter - about as useful as a chocolate tee pot.

Leaked

FixdePitchmark

limnam wrote: »

Leaked

They can move the secret if required.

Love the low profile of it versus Dublin one.

They may have bands/Celebs like Jedward - Boyzone and Dustin for de cause.

jameorahiely

Gatling wrote: »

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

The numbers sleeping rough in Sligo are very low.

"To the best of my knowledge there is only one individual I know sleeping rough. He has been offered long term accommodation but declined to take up the offer," says Mr Dunbar.

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/right-to-shelter-is-a-basic-right-30850532.html

limnam

jameorahiely wrote: »

The numbers sleeping rough in Sligo are very low.

"To the best of my knowledge there is only one individual I know sleeping rough. He has been offered long term accommodation but declined to take up the offer," says Mr Dunbar.

http://m.independent.ie/regionals/sligochampion/news/right-to-shelter-is-a-basic-right-30850532.html

That article is from two years ago

Same guy?

Pretty low homleess rate all right.

Maybe they're atually bugulars in a house in sligo

jameorahiely

limnam wrote: »

That article is from two years ago

Same guy?

Pretty low homleess rate all right.

Maybe they're atually bugulars in a house in sligo

Update from the simon website 2016
Sligo, Leitrim & Donegal does not have a rough sleeping population


http://inspirationalhomes.ie/north-west-simon-community.html





Looks like he got a house too.

20Cent

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes but trespass and property is a right we all hold tight to our hearts in Ireland.

Someone who sends someone into an unsound building - knows very little about buildings.

Someone who gathers crowds at an unsound derelict building - needs the law to help protect them and their misguided crowd.

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

FixdePitchmark

20Cent wrote: »

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

Yes structurally sound to start with.

20Cent

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

Yes structurally sound to start with.

As is Apollo house.

limnam

20Cent wrote: »

The state was founded by people occupying buildings illegally. it's our thing!

Every nation has to have a talent.

This is ours.

Gamebred

If these occupiers in Apollo house were Syrian or any other ethnic minority they would be delivering turkeys and refurbishing the place no doubt about it.

jameorahiely

One things for sure, there's great money in homelessness. There must be a charity for every homeless person

FixdePitchmark

Gamebred wrote: »

If these occupiers in Apollo house were Syrian or any other ethnic minority they would be delivering turkeys and refurbishing the place no doubt about it.

I seriously doubt the Turks would be welcome.

Gamebred

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

FixdePitchmark

Gamebred wrote: »

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

It is a local issue - they got the people right.

Except maybe Sheridan. I think Jim seemed a little out of touch.

Gamebred

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

It is a local issue - they got the people right.

Except maybe Sheridan. I think Jim seemed a little out of touch.

Is it local? homeless people in the capital of our country major European city at x mas time doesnt seem too local to me, 20 Sudanese people and Bono is down with the whole shabang singing do they know its christmas time.

20Cent

Gamebred wrote: »

I've noticed the absence of Bono and Geldoff, is it a case of only Africans matter or is there no money in this cause to spin them a few quid? or maybe its neither pair of them are probably tax dodging out on some island.

Their probably investors in the vulture funds buying up this NAMA stuff on the cheap.

FixdePitchmark

Gamebred wrote: »

Is it local? homeless people in the capital of our country major European city at x mas time doesnt seem too local to me, 20 Sudanese people and Bono is down with the whole shabang singing do they know its christmas time.

I'm in Dublin. It is local.

They are dealing with a local issue - makes sense,

I don't think they are trying to solve all the worlds problems in one night in Mulligans - even if many a person has tried that.

In fact, it is so local and focused it is a major plus - Band Aid and feed the world had no focus.

JP Liz V1

Has Simon Coveney or any of the FG party visited Apollo House yet?

limnam

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Has Simon Coveney or any of the FG party visited Apollo House yet?

He was invited to come today.

Does it really matter one way or another?

david75

Him And Kenny should be invited to stay the night on a flimsy mat on the floor in merchants quay some night.

20Cent

20Cent wrote: »

Pretty much every right and freedom we have today comes from someone breaking a law.

I'd be circumspect about that. Many of them evolved from or are explained by common morality, the desire to protect both individual rights and the governance of society, and are explained by theories like the social contract and why we subject ourselves to rules that are perceived as being for the common good.

jameorahiely

THERE WERE 54 unoccupied beds in homeless shelters in Dublin last night, according to the Housing Minister.

http://www.thejournal.ie/home-beds-3157263-Dec2016/

20Cent

jameorahiely wrote: »

THERE WERE 54 unoccupied beds in homeless shelters in Dublin last night, according to the Housing Minister.

http://www.thejournal.ie/home-beds-3157263-Dec2016/

Not beds but yoga mats in the ground where you have to sleep with a dozen other people.

Richard Hillman

20Cent wrote: »

Not beds but yoga mats in the ground where you have to sleep with a dozen other people.

17 of them were the mats in Merchants Quay. It says so in the article. The mats are generally for the drunks and addicts

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jameorahiely wrote: »

THERE WERE 54 unoccupied beds in homeless shelters in Dublin last night, according to the Housing Minister.

http://www.thejournal.ie/home-beds-3157263-Dec2016/

Ssshhhhh!that dosnt fit the narrative

AlekSmart

20Cent wrote: »

Not beds but yoga mats in the ground where you have to sleep with a dozen other people.

So 17 were mats...that leaves 37 beds....is there a specific type of bed deemed acceptable ?

For Forks Sake

Gatling wrote: »

Property in Sligo with no power or running water apparently taken over by another wannabe group and they want to keep the location secret according to various social media posts

That story was only being put about by thejournal (and lord knows it's far beyond their capabilities to carry out even basic investigation)

The 'organiser' is a f*cking lunatic with a long track record of ineffectively fighting 'The Man'

In this particular instance, it appears he has managed to organise nothing more than a drinking den for the towns vagrants in someone elses property

http://www.sligotoday.ie/details.php?id=43663

No Apollo House style occupation in Sligo

Despite local and national media reports yesterday that a 'group of activists' had taken over a NAMA owned building in Sligo to house the local homeless Sligo Today can confirm that no Apollo House style occupation has taken place.

Some reputable national news services reported, 'Activists in Sligo town have occupied an empty office building there.

The reports continued, 'The building, which is believed to be owned by Nama, has been taken over by homeless activists in a similar way to the occupation of Apollo House in Dublin by Home Sweet Home activists recently.

'A local source has described the occupation as "along the same lines" as Apollo House, saying: "It’s just an old, disused Nama building, although the people involved could leave or they could stay, it’s hard to tell.'

The report continued, 'The building's location is being kept secret for the time being, but there is said to be fewer than 10 homeless people present in the disused offices which have no water or electricity.

'However, the occupants do have mattresses and food and the conditions have been described as warm.

'The owners of the building have not taken any action yet to take it back from the occupiers.

'Confirmation from Gardaí is awaited about the occupation.

'Receiving Support'

One Sligo news service reported yesterday, 'It’s been confirmed that 13 homeless people occupied vacant office premises in Sligo Town last night, after receiving support to do so from local campaigners.

'Mattresses and blankets were provided for them, after a campaign was initiated on facebook.

It follows on from the national ‘home sweet home’ campaign, and the plight of those occupying Apollo House in Dublin.

The organiser of the local facebook initiative, Gary Smylie, has refused to divulge the location of the vacant offices, but says society has a duty to look after these homeless people over the Christmas period and beyond.

And he says local support has been huge……'

Sligo Today can confirm that no such Apollo House style occupation has taken place.

Several local county councillors were amazed at the story as they stated that there is no shortage of accommodation for any homeless in Sligo. They also said that there are no 'rough sleepers' in Sligo and an abundance of hostel places exists.

The real story is that local activist and former presidential candidate Gary Smylie, pictured above, has done what he has done previously at Christmas.

He gained entry to a vacant property near Sligo town centre to provide a dry location whereby those people staying overnight in a hostel can have a drink as alcohol is forbidden in the overnight accommodation.

Mr Smylie, speaking exclusively to Sligo Today, said that of the 13 people who were in the building he persuaded two to return to their family. "I hope to help others to take similar action. I'm just being a friend to them, everybody is entitled to have a drink at the end of the day."

Last year he took over one of many vacant apartments situated behind The Glasshouse Hotel to invite some of the town's unfortunates who are often seen drinking beside the Garavogue River in Stephen Street carpark.

However Mr Smylie would not disclose the location of this year's sanctuary as he did not want reporters and cameras photographing his 'guests' thus ensuring their privacy.

He added, "Everyday the politicians and the media tell us the Irish economy is in ‘recovery’.

"We are being preached to that all of "us" are better off. Every week some TD or Government Minister leaks new information about some give away they have planned to bribe the electorate, while they actually vote to make people homeless.

"They give themselves a pay rise while they legalise what should not be even done to an animal.

"People can see the fact that politicians get exorbitant wage increases in order to buffer them from the very misery they inflict on people. They talk about new politics, while the activists who partake in fighting their austerity regime are what New Politics is all about.

"For example, the anti homeless measure proposed as part of the recent Housing Bill which was defeated in the Dáil.

"These very TDs that voted against that can do so in full knowledge that their extensive property port folios will never be effected. The recovery is a by word for a nation in denial."

Fr_Dougal

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

A homeless person is not just for Christmas you know.

You were wrong.

jameorahiely

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/conflict-denied-as-top-council-official-is-mum-of-activist-35345783.html
A member of Dublin City Council (DCC) senior management is the mother of a leading Apollo House campaigner, the Irish Independent can reveal.

City architect Ali Grehan - who was involved in the council's modular housing scheme - is the mother of Home Sweet Home spokesperson Rosi Leonard.

20Cent

jameorahiely wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/conflict-denied-as-top-council-official-is-mum-of-activist-35345783.html
A member of Dublin City Council (DCC) senior management is the mother of a leading Apollo House campaigner, the Irish Independent can reveal.

City architect Ali Grehan - who was involved in the council's modular housing scheme - is the mother of Home Sweet Home spokesperson Rosi Leonard.

DOB media attempting to dig dirt backfired.

david75

What a ridiculous notion. Who are they trying and failing to shame here?

VinLieger

20Cent wrote: »

DOB media attempting to dig dirt backfired.

How so exactly?

20Cent

Insinuating something shady going on.
Why else was it published, like who Rosi's mother is could be relevant. Independent readers will put two and two together and get six.

VinLieger

20Cent wrote: »

Insinuating something shady going on.
Why else was it published, like who Rosi's mother is could be relevant. Independent readers will put two and two together and get six.

Emm isnt that exactly what youve done by claiming with no evidence that theres an ulterior motive behind the article?

20Cent

VinLieger wrote: »

Emm isnt that exactly what youve done by claiming with no evidence that theres an ulterior motive behind the article?

Why do you think the article was written?

VinLieger

20Cent wrote: »

Why do you think the article was written?

Cus its an interesting piece of information and news worthy?

david75

Serves no purpose.
It's moe likely that her and her mother are at total loggerheads about the issue.

judeboy101

No room at the inn for founder of home sweet home
http://www.thejournal.ie/apollo-house-4-3173420-Jan2017/

jameorahiely

judeboy101 wrote: »

No room at the inn for founder of home sweet home
http://www.thejournal.ie/apollo-house-4-3173420-Jan2017/

When the moneys up for grabs, the homeless people will be forgotten. Maybe Mrs. DCC's daughter needed his room?

anewme

I don't know if anyone else read the article in the Daily Fail (I know) about the homeless couple in Apollo House who got engaged at Christmas.

A check into their social media accounts has shown:

They have been engaged since 2012.

Despite saying they were homeless and sleeping rough for the past eight years , they were living and working in the Uk till October- their social media accounts boast of his job, company car and house and pension.

Their photo s show meals out, expensive gifts, she raves about her Michael Kors Handbag.

The have admitted they have accumulated a lot in of nice things, which they have in a storage unit which they pay for.

They flew off the handle when confronted with reality.

How can these people expect the public to pay for them?

Is this more people looking for a home for life in an area of their choice?

It shows there is no vetting of people at all. I feel sorry for anyone who genuinely believes they are helping at Apollo house.

I object to one cent of my tax going towards these scammers.